Aboriginals think they can now govern 41,000 square kilometers of B.C.

[blackbird]

"Lheidli T'enneh First Nation bans herbicide use across north-central B.C.

A First Nation in north-central B.C. says it is banning the use of herbicides across all of its territory, which includes Prince George and the Robson Valley.

The Lheidli T'enneh First Nation says the ban is being put into place because of the negative impacts herbicides, and glyphosate in particular, have had on the environment and wildlife for which they are stewards.

"It is our duty to disallow toxic chemicals in our territory that reduce biodiversity and have negative impacts on our members' health, wellbeing and the environment where we exercise our living rights and traditions," Lheidli T'enneh Elected Chief Dolleen Logan said in a statement.

She also says the nation expects both government and private industry workers operating in the region to adhere to the ban.

It was not immediately clear if the ban would also apply to private and municipal property.

The nation says it will share more details of the ban at a news conference Tuesday morning.

The Lheidli T'enneh First Nation says its traditional territories span approximately 41,000 square kilometres that have not been ceded via treaty or other means, spanning from the Rocky Mountains near Valemount through the Interior Plateau and the city of Prince George.

City says it uses herbicides 'sparingly'

CBC News has reached out to the province, as well as the City of Prince George, for their response to the nation's ban.

In a statement, the city said it uses herbicides "sparingly," primarily to target trees impacting critical city infrastructure such as sewer lines.

While a spokesperson said they have yet to speak directly with the Lheidli T'enneh about the ban, the statement said that the two levels of government have a "good relationship" and "staff look forward to learning more about the ban and working together to find suitable alternative where possible."

Lheidli T'enneh First Nation bans herbicide use across north-central B.C.

This is another case where giving aboriginals the names "First Nations" and pushing the idea that non-natives are 'colonials" and intruders, making land acknowledgements is backfiring big time.  The more you give them, the more they demand.  They are using this herbicide ban as a front for huge land claims.

A woke judge gave the Cowichan band some kind of rights over a huge part of the city of Richmond including over a hundred private properties.

The Kamloops band claims a large part of the city of Kamloops.  They use the unproven claim of finding 250 graves of residential school children as a propaganda tool to make huge land claims as well.

Political leaders have been making land acknowledgements constantly and are selling out Canadians and Canada for votes.  This is creating a huge problem that we must face up to.

They will soon be claiming the city of Prince George and/or various parts of the 41,000 square kilometers covering that area.  Wake up people.  These aboriginals know what they are doing and we are the suckers.

Edited November 25, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Here is what a native red power activist told me on another forum today.  "you should have no rights on stolen lands and resources, we have asked corporate Kkkanada and it's citizens to provide a bill of sale, they can't, cause it's stolen. Property rights just prove possession of stolen lands and crying about the theft, there needs to be charges for possession of stolen lands. Justice."

[eyeball]

He sounds as extreme as you sound panicked.  This was a response to something you told him?

He was probably just trolling you but of course you seem to go out of your way to invite it so...

[John Stone]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

Here is what a native red power activist told me on another forum today.  "you should have no rights on stolen lands and resources, we have asked corporate Kkkanada and it's citizens to provide a bill of sale, they can't, cause it's stolen. Property rights just prove possession of stolen lands and crying about the theft, there needs to be charges for possession of stolen lands. Justice."

" Canada our home on native land"? 

 

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

He sounds as extreme as you sound panicked.  This was a response to something you told him?

He was probably just trolling you but of course you seem to go out of your way to invite it so...

I'll tell you what I said.

"Now our private property rights may be in jeopardy because of the NDP. UNDRIP may have given away a lot of our rights."

He or she responded:

"you should have no rights on stolen lands and resources, we have asked corporate Kkkanada and it's citizens to provide a bill of sale, they can't, cause it's stolen. Property rights just prove possession of stolen lands and crying about the theft, there needs to be charges for possession of stolen lands. Justice."

Obviously he or she is a professional red power activist who believes all non-natives are living on stolen land and resources.  These are dangerous radicals.  You have swallowed the great lie that we are all colonials who stole the land.   What are you doing here?   If you think you stole the land, why don't you go back where your ancestors came from?

Simple, you are a hypocrite who pretends you believe the red power radicals just so you can throw BS around on the forum at conservatives who don't buy all that nonsense.

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Obviously he or she is a professional red power activist who believes all non-natives are living on stolen land and resources.

Even the powers that be in England over 200 years ago knew they couldn't just waltz in and claim the place without a by your leave from the locals.

[cannuck]

This gets down the the fundamental flaw in the lack of reasoning and intelligence of the woke community.  It happens to cross all party lines.   The idea that you can have hundreds of "sovereign nations" within one county is ludicrous.  But, since we set the precedent with Quebec the very structure of what Canada is and how it is to be governed is pretty foggy - leaving the door wide open to really ridiculous claims by aboriginal activists.

IMHO: we need to have a very clear "constitution" that defines what federal powers are, what provincial ones can be and finally where ALL municipal governments - that includes aboriginal bands and tribes - fit at the very bottom of that totem pole.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

What are you doing here?   If you think you stole the land, why don't you go back where your ancestors came from?

I don't have to, we have a treaty where I live. We get along.

Besides which I'm from Earth, I've always been where I came from.

Edited November 26, 2025 by eyeball

[blackbird]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Even the powers that be in England over 200 years ago knew they couldn't just waltz in and claim the place without a by your leave from the locals.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.   The British who settled in British Columbia never asked the local aboriginals for permission to do so and nobody believed that had to have permission.

They just came here, settled, and formed B.C.   That is just how the world was settled.   In fact, the settlers didn't force aboriginals out of where they were living.  They just settled in vacant areas.   So the whole business of aboriginals claiming wide swaths of land as their "traditional territory" today is a frivolous claim.  They may have travelled through other areas from where they resided in order to fish and hunt, but that was long ago and the world has changed.  That is not how the people live today.  So the claim of traditional territory is a bogus claim used as a excuse to get more out of white man.  That is why there is no way politicians should recognize such bogus claims and surrender to them.

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The colony of British Columbia was founded in 1858 in response to the Fraser River Gold Rush. (See also The Fraser River Gold Rush and the Founding of British Columbia.) The colony established representative government in 1864 and merged with the colony of Vancouver Island in 1866. In May 1868, Amor De Cosmos formed the Confederation League to bring responsible government to BC and to join Confederation. In September 1868, the Confederation League passed 37 resolutions outlining the terms for a union with the Dominion of Canada. The terms were passed by both the BC assembly and the federal Parliament in 1871. The colony joined Canada as the country’s sixth province on 20 July 1871. The threat of American annexation, embodied by the Alaska purchase of 1867, and the promise of a railway linking BC to the rest of Canada, were decisive factors."

British Columbia and Confederation | The Canadian Encyclopedia

As I've often said, you need to do some reading and get a little education.

Edited November 26, 2025 by blackbird

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, cannuck said:

This gets down the the fundamental flaw in the lack of reasoning and intelligence of the woke community.

Nope, the flaw was in the past, in the lack of negotiated treaties.

History matters.

The woke community has been left flailing trying to make sense of it all just like the comatose community. It'll probably take a good couple more generations till we do.

In the meantime, I'd suggest taking a deep breath and try to get along. I've lived next door to what was once referred to as a reserve for over 50. I'm sitting on my porch 25 feet away from the property line/border between us.

My property value has gone from around $4-5000 an acre to almost $100k. They're looking a lot more prosperous too.

We get along just fine. I was a volunteer on their fire department back in the day.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't think you know what you're talking about.   The British who settled in British Columbia never asked the local aboriginals for permission to do so and nobody believed that had to have permission

You're so sadly ignorant about this flaw.

The government of British Columbia was under direct orders from its boss in England to secure treaties that ceded BC to England.

Our governor did not follow his orders and that is why things are such a mess.

Here read it and weep for yourself...

Most of British Columbia is unceded because, during colonization, British and Canadian officials refused to negotiate treaties with most First Nations, a significant departure from practices in other parts of Canada. This means Indigenous peoples in B.C. never legally surrendered their land to the Crown.

 

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

You're so sadly ignorant about this flaw.

The government of British Columbia was under direct orders from its boss in England to secure treaties that ceded BC to England.

Our governor did not follow his orders and that is why things are such a mess.

Here read it and weep for yourself...

Most of British Columbia is unceded because, during colonization, British and Canadian officials refused to negotiate treaties with most First Nations, a significant departure from practices in other parts of Canada. This means Indigenous peoples in B.C. never legally surrendered their land to the Crown.

 

That's your belief, but it may be completely false.   It could be just a fictional claim invented by the woke and natives who are making wild claims.  The source of that claim is more likely an invention by people like yourself and people who nowadays think we are just colonials who have no right to be here.

No sensible person believes that nonsense.   Occupation of land is nine-tenths of the law.  The people of B.C. who own land are perfectly in the right and any contrary opinion is absurd nonsense.

The natives do not own the areas they are claiming as their traditional territory.  You need to stop being a traitor to non-natives.  You are selling out all Canadians and trying to make us slaves of aboriginals.  What kind of ideology is that?  That is NDP woke ideology.

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12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

They just came here, settled, and formed B.C.   That is just how the world was settled. 

Not entirely...

When England settled the world they also brought a legal system with them that eventually became accessible to the people they colonized.

Our government in BC effectively hoisted us on a petard that's still left us airborne.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That's your belief, but it may be completely false.

It's phenomenal how deep into a state of denial you're capable of putting yourself in even when the evidence that refutes it is right in front of you.

You seem to think you're above the law in a way that mirrors  caught-and-released people.  Even if a judge made it as plain as day how wrong you are you just don't listen and don't care.

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No sensible person believes that nonsense.   Occupation of land is nine-tenths of the law.  The people of B.C. who own land are perfectly in the right and any contrary opinion is absurd nonsense.

No sensible person believes they are going to be kicked off their property and forced onto boats and sent back to wherever they came from. Everyone knows that's absurd, especially the First Nations.

This will eventually sort itself out but like I said it'll take a couple of generations. You really plan on spending the rest of your life bent out of shape over it? You need to get out more.

[cannuck]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Nope, the flaw was in the past, in the lack of negotiated treaties.

History matters.

The woke community has been left flailing trying to make sense of it all just like the comatose community. It'll probably take a good couple more generations till we do.

In the meantime, I'd suggest taking a deep breath and try to get along. I've lived next door to what was once referred to as a reserve for over 50. I'm sitting on my porch 25 feet away from the property line/border between us.

My property value has gone from around $4-5000 an acre to almost $100k. They're looking a lot more prosperous too.

We get along just fine. I was a volunteer on their fire department back in the day.

The original treaties were before Confederation, so if Indians have a beef with anyone they should yell at the Slimey Liveys and see what generous soles the actual Empire had.  I can't begin to imagine how short on foresight the numbered treaty deals were and why what is/was our government was (not) thinking.

[blackbird]

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

No sensible person believes they are going to be kicked off their property and forced onto boats and sent back to wherever they came from.

That's not the point.   The fact is they claim about 120% of British Columbia as their territory, which means some of their ancient ancestors might have hunted or fished, for a few weeks, 50, 100, or 200 kilometers from where they lived. Or they might have traveled to attack some neighbouring tribe, to massacre them, and take slaves. Therefore they claim it as their "traditional territory" and want massive compensation.  That's what the term "traditional territory" means to them. They know the weaknesses of non-natives and know they can extort massive amounts of money and land and other things out of white man.  They want us to accept them as the owners of land that they never really occupied and pay them forever.  That's what this is all about.  

Edited November 27, 2025 by blackbird

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

That's not the point....

...That's what this is all about.  

What they want claim or get are all negotiable. 

So if your point is to simply not negotiate at all then it goes to court. Then what you want claim and get is out of your hands and you're still left without a treaty.

If you don't want this to go on forever you need to negotiate a treaty settlement.

[blackbird]

56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What they want claim or get are all negotiable. 

So if your point is to simply not negotiate at all then it goes to court. Then what you want claim and get is out of your hands and you're still left without a treaty.

If you don't want this to go on forever you need to negotiate a treaty settlement.

You don't understand.  If aboriginals demand the whole province of vast territories, it is impossible to reach a deal.  That is why there are no treaties in many areas.  You can't give away vast areas to unreasonable demands.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If aboriginals demand the whole province of vast territories, it is impossible to reach a deal.

So they'll have to give something up.

[blackbird]

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So they'll have to give something up.

They won't.  So that's the problem.  Government can't give them what they demand.  They want everything to go back to pre-settlement days.  Not going to happen.

[cougar]

On 11/25/2025 at 1:26 PM, blackbird said:

Here is what a native red power activist told me on another forum today.

Wow!  You are spreading crap in other forums too?  Full time on the conservative propaganda payroll?

The F.N.s can ban what they want but who will be enforcing the ban?   

Do they have their own police?  Do they have their own courts and legal system? Do they have established penalties, a mechanism to collect debt, their own jails and on and on....????  They can't be using someone else's system and resources against them.

F.N's have F all !    All they can do is posture and ask for bigger handouts!

 

 

[Legato]

On 11/26/2025 at 11:55 AM, eyeball said:

Even the powers that be in England over 200 years ago knew they couldn't just waltz in and claim the place without a by your leave from the locals.

What about the locals who were already here, before the locals?

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, blackbird said:

They won't.  So that's the problem.  Government can't give them what they demand.  They want everything to go back to pre-settlement days.  Not going to happen.

Then they'll have to adjust their demands so they can be accommodated.

If course this is a two way street don't forget.

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Legato said:

What about the locals who were already here, before the locals?

First Nations will have to sort out any claims within claims that result in things like 120% of the province being under claim for example.

It's another reason why it'll take generations.