Trump Calls Refusal to Execute Illegal Orders Treason

[User]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Please read a dictionary someday, if you even can. Artificial Imbecility could provide more intelligent responses.
Take your milk and cookies and go play with your Playdough, some of the adults are trying to talk,

Now, see, you are proving my point.

if there is a definition you want to argue about, then provide it and the argument you are making.

If you can.

 

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

The Geneva Conventions are TREATIES which are BINDING on EVERY NATION that agreed to them. Duh

Even Canada.

Where is the Geneva Convention being violated?

[Hodad]

There will come a point when Trump will again have to decide if he will leave office. 

Last time he said that he would not and indeed took extreme measures to avoid doing so, but Pence, in a fit of conscience, blocked his move.

This time he has laid much more thorough groundwork. Constantly pushing authoritarian boundaries and breaking down the rule of law is simply "grooming" America for the end of democracy.

Federal troops in city streets? We're used to it. Pardons for citizens who attack the government in his service? Used to it. Extrajudicial arrests, deportations, imprisonment and murders? Used to it. Replacing civil servants with blind loyalists? Used to it. A nakedly political justice system? Used to it. Attack on and transgressions of the first amendment? Used to it. 

Of course he is angry when patriots--those who actually served and sacrificed--remind the military that orders can be illegal and that illegal orders shouldn't be followed. He can't afford to have military personnel question orders if he decides it's time to go all in. If he thinks he can pull it off, he will. 

That's why a simple statement of long-standing fact--a basic principle of military service--irks him so deeply. It undermines his long game. Rather than simply agreeing with them that illegal orders shouldn't be followed, he called them traitors and told his mob that they deserve death. (Will the mob take action again?)

All for pointing to a cornerstone principle of the military. 

This is not a subtle process. Everything he's doing has been done before and we know where it leads. The people defending it simply don't care. They've chosen their side, and it is not America. 

[John Stone]

23 hours ago, Deluge said:

This thread is dog shit.

If the commander-in-chief sees a threat to this country then he is obligated to remove the threat.

I trust Trump's ability to identify a threat. I wouldn't have voted for him if I didn't. 

 

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

The Geneva Conventions are TREATIES which are BINDING on EVERY NATION that agreed to them. Duh

Even Canada.

It would be a mistake to not question any C-in-C's decision to go to war, even with Congressional approval. 

I really don't think it's necessary to quote Korean War, Vietnam, Kuwait, Afghanistan, WWI ............ hmm....... war of 1812 .... Spanish American  War, Mexican American War, WWI. .......... do u?  

[John Stone]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

The Geneva Conventions are TREATIES which are BINDING on EVERY NATION that agreed to them. Duh

Even Canada.

........... the final arbiter of the U.S. Constitution is SCOTUS. ............... it's the American (Nation's) touchstone. 

If an  ideology can 'stack' SCOTUS, they rule legitimately. 

But let us put that aside for now .......... it has proven to be a  valid point, tho. 

What the Left has done is carried out a preemptive strike on any FUTURE initiatives that might be considered by the Trump Administration. 

Basically they've cleared the air ........ and raised the possibility that in future, clearly illegal or 'gray' directives from the Administration (SecWar) that could be questioned as illegal, er unconstitutional,  should be disobeyed. 

They (the Left) have a foreboding ........... 2028, perhaps. 

History  has shown us that to pull this coup off a National Emergency must exist .........

The question is, what pray tell? 

[robosmith]

44 minutes ago, John Stone said:

........... the final arbiter of the U.S. Constitution is SCOTUS. ............... it's the American (Nation's) touchstone. 

If an  ideology can 'stack' SCOTUS, they rule legitimately. 

But let us put that aside for now .......... it has proven to be a  valid point, tho. 

What the Left has done is carried out a preemptive strike on any FUTURE initiatives that might be considered by the Trump Administration. 

Basically they've cleared the air ........ and raised the possibility that in future, clearly illegal or 'gray' directives from the Administration (SecWar) that could be questioned as illegal, er unconstitutional,  should be disobeyed. 

They (the Left) have a foreboding ........... 2028, perhaps. 

History  has shown us that to pull this coup off a National Emergency must exist .........

The question is, what pray tell? 

Soldiers have ALWAYS been obliged to disobey ILLEGAL ORDERS.

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Unlawful Orders

This Article is intended to explain unlawful orders in the Military.

A Servicemember can face adverse action for violating a lawful order; doing so is a violation of Article 92 of the UCMJ, and sometimes Article 90 of the UCMJ and Article 91 of the UCMJ.  Often, Servicemembers wonder what are lawful orders and what are unlawful orders.  Article 92 provides the following guidance regarding unlawful orders:

"Lawfulness. A general order or regulation is lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it."

Article 92 also references subparagraph 16.c of the UCMJ, which states the following:

"Inference of lawfulness. An order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful, and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime. The lawfulness of an order is a question of law to be determined by the military judge. 

 

[gatomontes99]

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Soldiers have ALWAYS been obliged to disobey ILLEGAL ORDERS.

 

Thank you for proving me right. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

There will come a point when Trump will again have to decide if he will leave office. 

You guys live in this world of vague ambiguity because you have no real arguments. Its why you cowardly hide from me too. 

How will you ever stop Trump if you can't even stand up for yourself on a forum? LOL

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Soldiers have ALWAYS been obliged to disobey ILLEGAL ORDERS.

OK, what illegal orders are you talking about now?

[Nationalist]

So the Libbies have decided to challenge the president's powers as Commander in Chief. They really have no sense of morality or patriotism. What they have is pure hatred.

They hate the POTUS so intensely that they will promote military insubordination, lies about anything, and even murder. But the more they carry on like this, the stronger Trump gets. They dont care that the world sees them as whiney little b1tches.

They call the Trump administration "authoritarian", "fascist", "NAZI". Yet when pressed, they cannot point to anything to support these accusations. No...it's all about sound-bytes for Libbies. Hail Marys. 

In reality, wars are being stopped, inflation is being slowed, investment is pouring into the nation. The intelligent Libbies...and I figure there's about ten of them...see this and know that the current trajectory means by this time next year, the US economy will be strong and prosperous again. That knowledge makes them even more desperate...more seditious...more whiney.

So to real and rational Americans I say...Happy Thanksgiving Folks. You are at the "Turning Point".

[robosmith]

13 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So the Libbies have decided to challenge the president's powers as Commander in Chief. They really have no sense of morality or patriotism. What they have is pure hatred.

They hate the POTUS so intensely that they will promote military insubordination, lies about anything, and even murder. But the more they carry on like this, the stronger Trump gets. They dont care that the world sees them as whiney little b1tches.

They call the Trump administration "authoritarian", "fascist", "NAZI". Yet when pressed, they cannot point to anything to support these accusations. No...it's all about sound-bytes for Libbies. Hail Marys. 

In reality, wars are being stopped, inflation is being slowed, investment is pouring into the nation. The intelligent Libbies...and I figure there's about ten of them...see this and know that the current trajectory means by this time next year, the US economy will be strong and prosperous again. That knowledge makes them even more desperate...more seditious...more whiney.

So to real and rational Americans I say...Happy Thanksgiving Folks. You are at the "Turning Point".

You are LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING ^HERE because YOU have NEVER UNDERSTOOD US LAW NOR HISTORY, dropout.

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[User]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

You are LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING ^HERE because YOU have NEVER UNDERSTOOD US LAW NOR HISTORY, dropout.

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OK, coward, when are you going to respond to any of the responses to you here?

[Nationalist]

19 hours ago, robosmith said:

You are LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING ^HERE because YOU have NEVER UNDERSTOOD US LAW NOR HISTORY, dropout.

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Ur a pansie.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ur a pansie.

^STILL BUPKIS. LMAO

[BeaverFever]

Let’s be clear the Democrats in the video reminded service personnel that they have a LEGAL DUTY to disobey illegal orders, they must obey the law and constitution at all times, which every serviceperson knows.  That includes illegal orders from the President. It isn’t automatically legal just because the president orders it.   Those are simply the facts. 

[Hodad]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Let’s be clear the Democrats in the video reminded service personnel that they have a LEGAL DUTY to disobey illegal orders, they must obey the law and constitution at all times, which every serviceperson knows.  That includes illegal orders from the President. It isn’t automatically legal just because the president orders it.   Those are simply the facts. 

Reaffirming this simple obligation--which once would NOT have been even the least bit controversial--is causing a crazy amount of wailing and gnashing. Trump demands blind obedience above all. So this makes him angry. Which in turn makes his cultists angry. -- All about something upon which everyone used to eagerly agree. Strange times. 

[User]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Let’s be clear the Democrats in the video reminded service personnel that they have a LEGAL DUTY to disobey illegal orders, they must obey the law and constitution at all times, which every serviceperson knows.  That includes illegal orders from the President. It isn’t automatically legal just because the president orders it.   Those are simply the facts. 

Let's be clear, they insinuated there were already illegal orders, and they offered ZERO examples. They are encouraging mutiny and chaos. 

There is no need to state the obvious otherwise. There is no crisis of illegal orders happening, nor any crisis that the military is not being educated, nor understands these things that a handful of partisan Democrats need to put out a television ad to do something about. 

It's pure disgusting political theater, playing with the military chain of command. 

 

 

[John Stone]

On 11/22/2025 at 2:37 PM, gatomontes99 said:

Thank you for proving me right. 

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........... War crimes can really ruin ur reputation  if ur on the losing side, eh? Geneva Convention,  LOAC, etc  likely work great if ur beating the crap out of ur enemy ....... u can afford the largesse? This doesn't always apply of course, WWII strategic bombing,  Yugoslavia, Vietnam .......it's a long list. 

anyone remember My Lai - Vietnam, 1968 - several hundred massacred - those responsible were convicted.\

But my fav is Yugoslavia - Milosevic?

How about the siege of Sarajevo - sniping and killing of entire families was an industry - actual bounties paid. 

Syria, Iraq ......... Kuwait ... there are really no rules, just hope if ya partake ur on the winning side or have political hacks  to protect you. 

 

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Let’s be clear the Democrats in the video reminded service personnel that they have a LEGAL DUTY to disobey illegal orders, they must obey the law and constitution at all times, which every serviceperson knows.  That includes illegal orders from the President. It isn’t automatically legal just because the president orders it.   Those are simply the facts. 

This is bullshit.

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

Reaffirming this simple obligation--which once would NOT have been even the least bit controversial--is causing a crazy amount of wailing and gnashing. Trump demands blind obedience above all. So this makes him angry. Which in turn makes his cultists angry. -- All about something upon which everyone used to eagerly agree. Strange times. 

So it this.

The fact is, Democrats did this in order to sow the idea that military personnel should begin to reject the orders of their superiors based on political ideology. The two Tweenkies quoted above, are trying to say there's nothing out of the ordinary here. Just a reminder of standard operating procedure...which is of course...bullshit.

They are too cowardly to tell the truth. Too slimy to admit what they really want to see. Despicable pansies. Traitorous little worms.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

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........... War crimes can really ruin ur reputation  if ur on the losing side, eh? Geneva Convention,  LOAC, etc  likely work great if ur beating the crap out of ur enemy ....... u can afford the largesse? This doesn't always apply of course, WWII strategic bombing,  Yugoslavia, Vietnam .......it's a long list. 

anyone remember My Lai - Vietnam, 1968 - several hundred massacred - those responsible were convicted.\

But my fav is Yugoslavia - Milosevic?

How about the siege of Sarajevo - sniping and killing of entire families was an industry - actual bounties paid. 

Syria, Iraq ......... Kuwait ... there are really no rules, just hope if ya partake ur on the winning side or have political hacks  to protect you. 

 

You are not connecting any dots. Nor are you addressing the original point that I made. That point is, military personell should not (with very rare exceptions) disobey orders. @robosmith proved that is true, for me. 

[John Stone]

32 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are not connecting any dots. Nor are you addressing the original point that I made. That point is, military personell should not (with very rare exceptions) disobey orders. @robosmith proved that is true, for me. 

......... "with very rare exceptions" is that like being partially pregnant. 

32 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are not connecting any dots. Nor are you addressing the original point that I made. That point is, military personell should not (with very rare exceptions) disobey orders. @robosmith proved that is true, for me. 

 

32 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are not connecting any dots. Nor are you addressing the original point that I made. That point is, military personell should not (with very rare exceptions) disobey orders. @robosmith proved that is true, for me. 

 

[Legato]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Let’s be clear the Democrats in the video reminded service personnel that they have a LEGAL DUTY to disobey illegal orders, they must obey the law and constitution at all times, which every serviceperson knows.  That includes illegal orders from the President. It isn’t automatically legal just because the president orders it.   Those are simply the facts. 

Correct, now the insinuation from the jumped-up-nevercomedowns is that illegal orders have already been given which are............???????????.

These simpletons are just muck raking in a vain attempt to have some sort of significance.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

......... "with very rare exceptions" is that like being partially pregnant. 

 

 

That does not even fit.

[Deluge]

On 11/22/2025 at 10:04 AM, John Stone said:

 

It would be a mistake to not question any C-in-C's decision to go to war, even with Congressional approval. 

I really don't think it's necessary to quote Korean War, Vietnam, Kuwait, Afghanistan, WWI ............ hmm....... war of 1812 .... Spanish American  War, Mexican American War, WWI. .......... do u?  

What's to question? The US has been invaded by illegal aliens and we have a drug and violence problem that originated from south of the border. We either neutralize it, or let it take over. Do you want to become another Venezuela or Mexico? 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Correct, now the insinuation from the jumped-up-nevercomedowns is that illegal orders have already been given which are............???????????.

These simpletons are just muck raking in a vain attempt to have some sort of significance.

So now it’s treason punishable by death to even insinuate the president is breaking the law?  This must be another one of those magical laws that only applies when Republicans are in power. 
 

And let’s be clear Trump is ordering the military to kill unarmed non-combatants on sight far from American shores even as they flee and with no opportunity to surrender, claims that it is perfectly legal are dubious at best, it  not like he’s so clearly within the bounds of the law that it’s outrageous to suggest otherwise. 

[BeaverFever]

34 minutes ago, Deluge said:

What's to question? The US has been invaded by illegal aliens and we have a drug and violence problem that originated from south of the border. We either neutralize it, or let it take over. Do you want to become another Venezuela or Mexico? 

Actually the problem originates with the demand for the drugs, which is inside the united states, not south of  your border.