Suspected Terrorists Arrested in Toronto

[wulf42]

Not haley's but there something big coming towards earth May 2012, will take out half of the population of earth.

Hopefully it hits the Middle Eastern Half.....

[DogOnPorch]

There've been a few near misses over the past few years...these meteors/asteroids are more common than we think. One came less than the distance to the Moon, if I recall, which came as quite a shock. Orbit plotting got a tad more frantic after that, I believe. The 2012 thing...lol...well...the telescopes would be tracking it by now if it was a reality. It would have to be a rather hefty rock to 'do-the-dead-dino' thing to us. We can generally spot those ones.

You can d/l a program called Celestia (free) which has the orbital plots for several thousand NEO asteroids that might be a problem for Earth...pretty cool as you can speed-up...slow down time. Great graphics.

http://www.shatters.net/celestia/

http://www.celestiamotherlode.net/catalog/asteroids.php

[Keepitsimple]

Perhaps I should have been more clear in saying that "no credit" meant "no 1 for 1 credit". Ultimately, time spent not in the outside world is equal. Being in a nice holding center does not make you live twice as long as if you are in an average prison. It is still time spent behind bars, for which there must be 1 for 1 credit at the minimum.

Absolutely agree. That's what it used to be....and in my mind, there could still be room for some judicial discretion if the defence can actually prove that detention facilities are markedly less than a normal prison.....but any "credit"should max out at maybe 1.5 to 1 for the most grievous conditions. Lets face it - no matter what some people might think - Canada is not Haiti or Yemen - everybody gets three meals a day and a clean bed.

Edited September 5, 2009 by Keepitsimple

[Bonam]

There've been a few near misses over the past few years...these meteors/asteroids are more common than we think. One came less than the distance to the Moon, if I recall, which came as quite a shock. Orbit plotting got a tad more frantic after that, I believe. The 2012 thing...lol...well...the telescopes would be tracking it by now if it was a reality. It would have to be a rather hefty rock to 'do-the-dead-dino' thing to us. We can generally spot those ones.

You can d/l a program called Celestia (free) which has the orbital plots for several thousand NEO asteroids that might be a problem for Earth...pretty cool as you can speed-up...slow down time. Great graphics.

http://www.shatters.net/celestia/

http://www.celestiamotherlode.net/catalog/asteroids.php

The 2012 thing is stupid... people are coming out with predictions of an apocalypse every few years. I don't know what it is, some people just amuse themselves that way I guess, and others will believe anything.

But in regards to asteroids, our tracking ability is actually not that great at all. NASA has repeatedly stated that its resources are far far less than what they need to achieve the goal mandated by congress, which was something like detecting 90% of the asteroids that could potentially hit Earth (forget the exact wording of the mandate). They are nowhere close, and no other nation/agency has a similar program, so NASA's underfunded efforts are the only thing going on in this regard. We could easily have an asteroid large enough to do significant damage headed for us and not know about it until perhaps just a few months before collision.

[bush_cheney2004]

....But in regards to asteroids, our tracking ability is actually not that great at all. NASA has repeatedly stated that its resources are far far less than what they need to achieve the goal mandated by congress, which was something like detecting 90% of the asteroids that could potentially hit Earth (forget the exact wording of the mandate).....

Ability is one thing...funding is quite another. NASA has done well for the original 90% of 1 kiliometer and larger mandate, but probably cannot meet the much more challenging 140 meter requirement by 2020, regardless of funding levels. Arecibo remains the best existing facility to complete the NEO inventory mandate, even compared to any planned satellites from Canada or Germany.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch/down...terimReport.pdf

They are nowhere close, and no other nation/agency has a similar program, so NASA's underfunded efforts are the only thing going on in this regard. We could easily have an asteroid large enough to do significant damage headed for us and not know about it until perhaps just a few months before collision.

Detection is quite different from intercept or mitigation. Since NEOs are natural solar system objects, I am sure there will be group created to protect them from mankind's interference.

[Bonam]

Detection is quite different from intercept or mitigation. Since NEOs are natural solar system objects, I am sure there will be group created to protect them from mankind's interference.

Lol I wouldn't doubt it. But hopefully the people that want to keep on living will outnumber those who are concerned about the rights of stray asteroids

[Wild Bill]

Your kids would have survived no matter what- now what you have is the fact that people who did it YOUR way, show the kids that honour is a thing of the past - and that money is more important than human rights - You let your kids down in the long run - If someone comes in and kills 3000 citizens as was done in 911 - you do not run off in the opposite direction - you go to the source and take them out - right to the Kindom Of Saudi - and you set the sodomist sadist princes right - sometimes you have to go for broke - now we still submit to these smiling evil Mercedes driving tweets with their little beards and evil little eyes - I say kick them in the face for what they did - and steal their damned oil.

You missed something, Oleg. Your way and my way leads to exactly the same outcome. The Saudis are going to lose their revenue stream, along with a number of their neighbouring countries. Without boxcars of money you can't afford to finance terrorism. You no longer will be a powerful player on the world stage.

Your way is the Klingon way. Beat him up today so that he can heal up and come back at you with a bigger club tomorrow.

What's happening is more of a Ferrengi tactic. Destroy a man's income so that he no longer is rich and powerful. Let him live in poverty forevermore.

Much less messy and painful than your way. You might be right that my kids would survive anyway but they would have been hungry for a long time.

No, thank you.

[eyeball]

Absolutely agree. That's what it used to be....and in my mind, there could still be room for some judicial discretion if the defence can actually prove that detention facilities are markedly less than a normal prison.....but any "credit"should max out at maybe 1.5 to 1 for the most grievous conditions. Lets face it - no matter what some people might think - Canada is not Haiti or Yemen - everybody gets three meals a day and a clean bed.

Everybody who goes to prison in Canada also faces the threat of being raped or brutalized by their fellow inmates. More than a few people seem to be okay with this. We need to do anything we can do to prevent this sort of attitude from working its way into our justice system.

[Visionseeker]

Hopefully it hits the Middle Eastern Half.....

Oh so funny. Not.

I have many hopes myself. None of them include a wish to see any part of our world face such a catastrophe. Only a terrorist would harbour such thoughts.

[Shakeyhands]

for almost a decade (up to the year 2001), Canada was ranked number one among 175 countries in the United Nation's Quality of Life survey. According to the 2004 UN Human Development Index, Canada was ranked fourth overall.

damn immigrants.....

[Argus]

Oleg, if we had done it your way every car in North America would have been stopped in its tracks! We simply could not lose the supply of Saudi oil and all its Middle East allies at the drop of a hat.

I don't think the middle east is all that united. Take out the Saudis, take over the oil fields, assure the gulf coast states of our lack of interest in them - and hold the stick up if they threaten to join a boycott. That gives us Saudi oil, Iraqi oil, and that of the gulf states. That should see us through any temporary whining by others. Threaten to seize the tens of billions of investments the oil sheiks have made in the west, at the same time.

Remember, none of the oil workers in Saudi Arabia are Saudis. The skilled workers are westerners, the unskilled workers east Asians and Philippinos. The Saudis don't even know how to run their refineries or oil fields. It's all done by foreigners. So we take over officially, give them a small allowance, and make sure they can't use it to fund terrorists or terrorist training schools.

Edited September 6, 2009 by Argus

[Wild Bill]

I don't think the middle east is all that united. Take out the Saudis, take over the oil fields, assure the gulf coast states of our lack of interest in them - and hold the stick up if they threaten to join a boycott. That gives us Saudi oil, Iraqi oil, and that of the gulf states. That should see us through any temporary whining by others. Threaten to seize the tens of billions of investments the oil sheiks have made in the west, at the same time.

Remember, none of the oil workers in Saudi Arabia are Saudis. The skilled workers are westerners, the unskilled workers east Asians and Philippinos. The Saudis don't even know how to run their refineries or oil fields. It's all done by foreigners. So we take over officially, give them a small allowance, and make sure they can't use it to fund terrorists or terrorist training schools.

Sheer fantasy! Many other countries are dependent on Saudi oil If someone like Uncle Sam forcibly took over the Saudi regime it would FORCE some of those countries into declaring war on us!

Remember, many folks already believe that the USA is an imperialist warmonger. Your approach would only confirm that belief. Moreover, it would set an expensive precedent for America.

Once you start down that road it only works if you can afford to keep going.

Nice dream, 'though!

[Jack Weber]

Sheer fantasy! Many other countries are dependent on Saudi oil If someone like Uncle Sam forcibly took over the Saudi regime it would FORCE some of those countries into declaring war on us!

Remember, many folks already believe that the USA is an imperialist warmonger. Your approach would only confirm that belief. Moreover, it would set an expensive precedent for America.

Once you start down that road it only works if you can afford to keep going.

Nice dream, 'though!

Precisely...

Never mind the fact that China and India buy more oil from the Middle East than any other country....