How the Left destroyed the idea of Canada

[I am Groot]

I don't discount the financial and economic damage the Liberals have caused in the last ten years. But the real damage they've caused is to the idea of Canada, to its sense of unity and shared identity, to its culture, values, and traditions, and to the self-confidence of Canadians. It's had plenty of help from the NDP, and from others of the Left at all levels, who all constantly seek to gnaw away at the underpinnings of nationhood and delegitimize Canada as a nation.

But just at the federal level, their sneering dismissal of Canada's traditions and values, its incessant messaging about the supposed abuses and 'genocides' in our past, its complete dismisal of our history of accomplishments as nothing more than a litany of crime, its steady efforts at fanning the flames of division between Canada and indigenous people and trumpeting the latter's rights and worthiness over everyone else, have shaken the confidence of many younger Canadians. Especially those who have gone through a school system completely taken over by the far Left. That especially includes legal education, and the graduates of that legal education who have then been appointed to the judiciary by the Liberals.

Every program, every policy announcement, every grant for research, for books, for videos, for plays and art, for scholarships, and business comes laden with language strongly suggesting no one who is white is worthy of even applying. It's sycophany and paternalistic fawning over natives while showering them with money has done absolutely nothing to foster 'reconciliation'. The word noises the Left insists upon before every meeting, speech, lecture, class, and gathering about how they are on land that actually belongs to someone else have impressed no one. In fact, all this has done is make the natives angrier and more entitled as they are constantly told we don't belong here and this is actually THEIR country.

At the same time, the left, and here most especially the Liberals, have enthusiastically flooded Canada with third-world people so fast that it's become impossible for them to integrate. In fact, they've been told through multiculturalism policies that they shouldn't integrate because we value their cultures (certainly more than ours). Millions of people from cultures that are, to put it politely, backward, have set up ethnic enclaves within Canada where they owe little allegiance to the country or its people, honor their own culture, values and religion, and look upon Canadians as nothing more than sheep to be sheared as they leverage their supposed oppressed status to garner more government money and power. In every way possible, the Liberals show preference for those with little or no history in or attachment to Canada, further reinforcing the suggestion that everyone else is here illegitimately and has no claim to ownership of this country.

In no more than fifteen years, immigrants and their children will become the majority in Canada. At that point, these people, who have mostly retained their foreign culture and values, will be in charge. Like any other group, they will change Canada, to make it more like where they came from. Canada will then have little or no connection to the Canada of the past, and not even much to the Canada of the present. The values and cultures they own are harsh, cruel, and hostile to almost anyone who is not exactly like them, and have no tradition of compromise with weaker parties or freedom of speech. The children and grandchildren of today's Liberals will come to regret their parents' eager surrender of control of our identity, culture, and country to such people and might one day ask them "Why did you work so hard to destroy Canada?"

[Michael Hardner]

I knew before opening this would be and other citeless post on a theme that's been covered everywhere before. 

" Save us from the immigrants, they provide nothing and yet every government for the past two generations has been bringing them in "

🥱

[paxamericana]

35 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I knew before opening this would be and other citeless post on a theme that's been covered everywhere before. 

" Save us from the immigrants, they provide nothing and yet every government for the past two generations has been bringing them in "

🥱

It’s a legitimate concern, as much as you Canucks dislike being American and pride yourselves in that, the migrants also hold strong to their own cultural beliefs. They don’t identify as “Canadian” they’re here for a better economic opportunity, don’t expect them to conform to your patchwork of hatred. That’s the problem when you don’t have a melting pot. In America it’s a none issue for 2nd generation immigrant, they’re all just American with different ethnicity.

Edited October 19, 2025 by paxamericana

[I am Groot]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I knew before opening this would be and other citeless post on a theme that's been covered everywhere before. 

" Save us from the immigrants, they provide nothing and yet every government for the past two generations has been bringing them in "

🥱

And I knew as soon as I saw your name, it would be another no-effort dismissal of all complaints against the Left's policies from a man who is as unshakably confident of the perfection of those policies and beliefs as Justin Trudeau.

Edited October 20, 2025 by I am Groot

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I knew before opening this would be and other citeless post on a theme that's been covered everywhere before. 

" Save us from the immigrants, they provide nothing and yet every government for the past two generations has been bringing them in "

🥱

The title shoulda woulda and maybe upon a little honest reflection, coulda read: How the Right failed the idea of Canada.

It's not like they haven't had decades upon decades to make the idea succeed themselves.

[Gaétan]

This is disinformation, since there has never been a left-wing government since Canada came into existence.

[Barquentine]

21 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Like any other group, they will change Canada, to make it more like where they came from.

There you have it. After all your whining, self pitying victimization, after all your bigotry and bile, you get to the point. It was ok for whites to do it, but not brown skinned folks- as you say: "people from cultures that are, to put it politely, backward".

You are one sad pathetic insecure hypocrite.

[Michael Hardner]

13 hours ago, Gaétan said:

This is disinformation, since there has never been a left-wing government since Canada came into existence.

We are consistently to the right of our allies in Europe.
 

[Michael Hardner]

22 hours ago, I am Groot said:

  Like any other group, they will change Canada, to make it more like where they came from.  

This is a myth.  I have quoted PEW surveys that show Muslims generally integrate to mainstream values more fluidly than fundamentalist Christians.

You have some good insights but you refuse to use cites to objective surveys.  I have noticed this before.  I don't think you're disingenuous but I have shown you cites that show your statements are incorrect in the past.

Open your mind a little and you will learn and grow - free advice.

[Nefarious Banana]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is a myth.  I have quoted PEW surveys that show Muslims generally integrate to mainstream values more fluidly than fundamentalist Christians.
You have some good insights but you refuse to use cites to objective surveys.  I have noticed this before.  I don't think you're disingenuous but I have shown you cites that show your statements are incorrect in the past.
Open your mind a little and you will learn and grow - free advice.

Quote your 'PEW surveys' again . . . because frankly, many here just don't believe very much of what you say. Thanks.

[Michael Hardner]

56 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Quote your 'PEW surveys' again . . . because frankly, many here just don't believe very much of what you say. Thanks.

Yes, that's why we use cites to back things up right ?

I don't make things up but I do form "opinions" that may not be well-grounded as does everyone.  Counter me with a cite...

Now the PEW polling asks a LOT of questions and you can pick and choose things that show them more or less assimilated.  But I found this one and it jumped out at me:

That's 92% vs 91% Muslims vs General Public proud to be American.

Are you surprised ?  I was.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/07/26/identity-assimilation-and-community/

https://www.cato.org/blog/rapid-us-muslim-assimilation-continues-alongside-rapid-muslim-immigration

People regularly come on here and provide long peans to their own glorified opinions.  Challenge folks if they're not backing up their opinions, is my advice.

[CdnFox]

On 10/19/2025 at 9:07 AM, Michael Hardner said:

I knew before opening this would be and other citeless post on a theme that's been covered everywhere before. 

" Save us from the immigrants, they provide nothing and yet every government for the past two generations has been bringing them in "

🥱

So you can't refute any of it so you fall back on 'why are we even talking about this'

You're pathetic mike. 

[CdnFox]

On 10/19/2025 at 8:57 AM, I am Groot said:

I don't discount the financial and economic damage the Liberals have caused in the last ten years. But the real damage they've caused is to the idea of Canada, to its sense of unity and shared identity, to its culture, values, and traditions, and to the self-confidence of Canadians. It's had plenty of help from the NDP, and from others of the Left at all levels, who all constantly seek to gnaw away at the underpinnings of nationhood and delegitimize Canada as a nation.

But just at the federal level, their sneering dismissal of Canada's traditions and values, its incessant messaging about the supposed abuses and 'genocides' in our past, its complete dismisal of our history of accomplishments as nothing more than a litany of crime, its steady efforts at fanning the flames of division between Canada and indigenous people and trumpeting the latter's rights and worthiness over everyone else, have shaken the confidence of many younger Canadians. Especially those who have gone through a school system completely taken over by the far Left. That especially includes legal education, and the graduates of that legal education who have then been appointed to the judiciary by the Liberals.

Every program, every policy announcement, every grant for research, for books, for videos, for plays and art, for scholarships, and business comes laden with language strongly suggesting no one who is white is worthy of even applying. It's sycophany and paternalistic fawning over natives while showering them with money has done absolutely nothing to foster 'reconciliation'. The word noises the Left insists upon before every meeting, speech, lecture, class, and gathering about how they are on land that actually belongs to someone else have impressed no one. In fact, all this has done is make the natives angrier and more entitled as they are constantly told we don't belong here and this is actually THEIR country.

At the same time, the left, and here most especially the Liberals, have enthusiastically flooded Canada with third-world people so fast that it's become impossible for them to integrate. In fact, they've been told through multiculturalism policies that they shouldn't integrate because we value their cultures (certainly more than ours). Millions of people from cultures that are, to put it politely, backward, have set up ethnic enclaves within Canada where they owe little allegiance to the country or its people, honor their own culture, values and religion, and look upon Canadians as nothing more than sheep to be sheared as they leverage their supposed oppressed status to garner more government money and power. In every way possible, the Liberals show preference for those with little or no history in or attachment to Canada, further reinforcing the suggestion that everyone else is here illegitimately and has no claim to ownership of this country.

In no more than fifteen years, immigrants and their children will become the majority in Canada. At that point, these people, who have mostly retained their foreign culture and values, will be in charge. Like any other group, they will change Canada, to make it more like where they came from. Canada will then have little or no connection to the Canada of the past, and not even much to the Canada of the present. The values and cultures they own are harsh, cruel, and hostile to almost anyone who is not exactly like them, and have no tradition of compromise with weaker parties or freedom of speech. The children and grandchildren of today's Liberals will come to regret their parents' eager surrender of control of our identity, culture, and country to such people and might one day ask them "Why did you work so hard to destroy Canada?"

The liberals spent a lot of time looking at the success of obama's campaign. To the point where they even bought software from the democrats.

Obama's campaign was largely built on the intersectional coalition concept which gets people angry and turned against each other and then he steps in and says he's the only one who can resolve their issues. As long as you get lots of groups fighting and as long as you convince the bigger group that you're on their side you can compile enough votes to win an election.

Justin turned every single group he could find against another group. Rich against poor, urban against rural, gays against straights, east against west, province against province, vaxxed against unvaxxed, ANY group he could find.

And it worked. He stayed in power despite constantly losing the popular vote. 

But it left canada divided and bitter and i don't think there's any going back 

[CDN1]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

We are consistently to the right of our allies in Europe.
 

Not on abortion, gender affirming care for children, etc.

Edited October 20, 2025 by CDN1

[CDN1]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is a myth.  I have quoted PEW surveys that show Muslims generally integrate to mainstream values more fluidly than fundamentalist Christians.

You have some good insights but you refuse to use cites to objective surveys.  I have noticed this before.  I don't think you're disingenuous but I have shown you cites that show your statements are incorrect in the past.

Open your mind a little and you will learn and grow - free advice.

You are dangerously retarded.

[Gaétan]

14 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Not on abortion, gender affirming care for children, etc.

I'm on the political left and I don't support abortion. That has nothing to do with being left or right—it's a personal choice. A leftist doesn't have to be in favor of abortion

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Gaétan said:

I'm on the political left and I don't support abortion. That has nothing to do with being left or right—it's a personal choice. A leftist doesn't have to be in favor of abortion

It's a left wing cause.  Just because you're on the left doesn't mean you'll agree with ALL left wing ideology and may think SOME right wing concepts are good, which is normal. But pro abortion is definitely a hard line stance of the left. 

[Gaétan]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's a left wing cause.  Just because you're on the left doesn't mean you'll agree with ALL left wing ideology and may think SOME right wing concepts are good, which is normal. But pro abortion is definitely a hard line stance of the left. 

It's not natural for someone truly on the left to support abortion. You should be wary of the propaganda spread by the media—it's misleading

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

It's not natural for someone truly on the left to support abortion.

It is if you know the history. 

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You should be wary of the propaganda spread by the media—it's misleading

Sure kid  

[I am Groot]

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is a myth.  I have quoted PEW surveys that show Muslims generally integrate to mainstream values more fluidly than fundamentalist Christians.

They do? Let's consider that a moment. First, the Left in Canada absolutely despises fundamentalist Christians. Yet you use the comparison as a compliment to Muslims. Second, what fundamentalist Christans and fundamentalist Muslims believe is wildly different. As I think Sam Harris once said, the real problem with Islamic fundamentalism are the fundamentals of Islam. It is a mlitaristic religion that casts anthema on unbelievers and not only gives permission, but urges its followers to attack them and take what is theirs while forcing them to submit to Islam and become Muslims.

 

Edited October 20, 2025 by I am Groot

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

First, the Left in Canada absolutely despises fundamentalist Christians.

I'm pretty sure most of us alternate between ignoring or laughing our asses off at them - like most religions.

What's chapping your ass is that the left doesn't revile Muslims the way the right wants to see them being reviled.

You appear to have really fallen for that 'you're either with us or you're with them' nonsense.

 

[I am Groot]

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm pretty sure most of us alternate between ignoring or laughing our asses off at them - like most religions.

You're full of sh1t.  You know very well how they demonize Christians, how they scaremongered about what Harper was allegedly going to do, how they fearmonger about the Christians in the Conservative Party.

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What's chapping your ass is that the left doesn't revile Muslims the way the right wants to see them being reviled.

The Left adores Muslims despite Muslims being vastly worse than Christians in all the ways they hate Christians for.

The Left: "Christians are evil because they would ban abortion and get rid of gay marriage!"
Normal person: "But the Muslims would ban abortion, too, and put gay people in prison."
The Left: "How dare you attack Muslims, you Islamophobe!

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You appear to have really fallen for that 'you're either with us or you're with them' nonsense.

That's the way things are shaping up. There are the forces who support and defend Western civilization, and the forces who want to tear it down. Muslims are most definitely on the latter side, along with a huge chunk of the Left.

I honestly don't know why the Left doesn't just move to Islamic countries where they'll be happier.