gatomontes99 Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 RCP "DON LEMON: Black people, brown people of all stripes, whether you're an Indian American or a Mexican American, or whoever you are, go out in your place where you live and get a gun legally, get a license to carry legally. Because when you have people knocking on your door and taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn't that what the Second Amendment was written for? Go back and read what the Second Amendment says. And perhaps it will knock some sense in the heads of these people who are saying, well, it's all great. I don't believe they're doing it without due process. They're asking people for papers. They're not really beating people up. These people are doing things that are illegal. Nobody is illegal. It is a misdemeanor to cross the border." ********** Well, isnt that just peachy. Don Lemon is saying that if you think what ICE is doing than you should kill them. Kash Patel should arrest him for inciting iolence against public officials. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
eyeball Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 No, he's saying you should defend yourself against government officials if they act illegally against you. That is your right isn't it? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Hodad Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 Oh boy. For decades (since 1977 when the NRA invented a novel reading of the 2nd amendment that proposed an individual right to bear arms) conservatives have been saying that the whole point of gun nuttery is for the people to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. But now that Don Lemon said it they're going to twist themselves up trying to figure out where they stand now. 1 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted October 17, 2025 Author Report Posted October 17, 2025 34 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, he's saying you should defend yourself against government officials if they act illegally against you. That is your right isn't it? No. The premise that ICE is doing something illegal is utterly false. 23 minutes ago, Hodad said: Oh boy. For decades (since 1977 when the NRA invented a novel reading of the 2nd amendment that proposed an individual right to bear arms) conservatives have been saying that the whole point of gun nuttery is for the people to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. But now that Don Lemon said it they're going to twist themselves up trying to figure out where they stand now. If we ever get to tyranny, then you can pull out the guns. This isnt tyranny. This is enforcing the laws we voted on. 1 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
eyeball Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 4 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: No. Americans don't have the right to defend themselves from their government if needs be? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
gatomontes99 Posted October 17, 2025 Author Report Posted October 17, 2025 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Americans don't have the right to defend themselves from their government if needs be? Are you being pedantic just to be annoying? No, Americans can't just go around shooting government officials just because they disagree. Further, illegal aliens that take up arms become enemy combatants and will be dealt with appropriately. The second amendment is for defense. When they wrote the Constitution, there was a real threat that France would invade the fledgling country. The primary purpose of 2A was to have citizens that were acquainted with fire arms. If they knew how to shoot, then they could be taught to march and fight much faster. Hence "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State". A well regulated militia meant a properly function militia. Further, Hamilton argued, in Federalist no. 29, that the militias would be state run and would prevent the federal government from becoming tyrannical. So, yes, 2A is about maintaining freedom and states' rights. No, it does not give an individual the ability to pop a cap in an ICE agent. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
eyeball Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: So, yes, 2A is about maintaining freedom and states' rights. Individuals are on their own? I get it that collectively everyone has the law on their side but until the due process that makes that happen occurs is everyone expected to submit to whatever a government official does to them? Submission to authority is the only correct legal course of action available to Americans? Stand your ground laws don't apply? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
gatomontes99 Posted October 17, 2025 Author Report Posted October 17, 2025 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: Individuals are on their own? That is what the judicial system is for. 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: I get it that collectively everyone has the law on their side but until the due process that makes that happen occurs is everyone expected to submit to whatever a government official does to them? Submission to authority is the only correct legal course of action available to Americans? Yep. Name a country that let's you shoot government officials you disagree with. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
eyeball Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 7 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: That is what the judicial system is for. Yep. Name a country that let's you shoot government officials you disagree with. America. It seems there are plenty of cases where people have been acquitted or charges were dropped when self-defense was cited. Go look it up yourself. Here's the question I typed into my search bar. has any American been acquitted of shooting a government official due to self defense Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
gatomontes99 Posted October 17, 2025 Author Report Posted October 17, 2025 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: has any American been acquitted of shooting a government official due to self defense It yielded nothing that would support your thesis. Mostly Rittenhouse and one guy in Houston that shot an off duty cop, not in uniform, in self defense. Do you have anything? Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
eyeball Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 9 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: It yielded nothing that would support your thesis. Mostly Rittenhouse and one guy in Houston that shot an off duty cop, not in uniform, in self defense. Do you have anything? It's Don Lemons thesis not mine. Yours is that he should be arrested for inciting violence. I doubt he will be due to it still being an open question in America if citizens can arm themselves in self defense from illegally overreaching public officials. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 1 hour ago, Hodad said: Oh boy. For decades (since 1977 when the NRA invented a novel reading of the 2nd amendment that proposed an individual right to bear arms) conservatives have been saying that the whole point of gun nuttery is for the people to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. But now that Don Lemon said it they're going to twist themselves up trying to figure out where they stand now. Government is only tyrannical if you have no legal recourse. These people have legal recourse. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 2 hours ago, eyeball said: No, he's saying you should defend yourself against government officials if they act illegally against you. That is your right isn't it? No, that's not your right and that's not why people own guns. A government is only tyrannical when you have no legal recourse to address what you believe are illegal actions. In the case of ice they're absolutely are courts and they have absolutely already rendered decisions with regards to this that have to be upheld The constitution absolutely does not call for or empower people to kill government agents instead of taking them through the legal process. It was there to deal with governments who set aside the legal process which hasn't happened I was flabbergasted when you came out in support of the terrorists killing Jews on October 7th, I am utterly baffled how you can sit here and encourage the killing of police officers rather than addressing it in the courts You are one effed up guy 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's Don Lemons thesis not mine. It is absolutely yours. You literally just moments ago claimed that in your opinion it was their right. You don't even have to go back a page you just have to scroll up Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You literally just moments ago claimed that in your opinion it was their right. You don't even have to go back a page you just have to scroll up LMAO! You really need to lay off the LSD. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 Just now, eyeball said: LMAO! You really need to lay off the LSD. Oh dear, did you manage to get triggered just by me speaking the truth again? LOLOL You support violence whenever you can as long as it's from the left. But advocating shooting police is a new low for you Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No, that's not your right and that's not why people own guns. I asked if it was gatos right, not mine. I already know Canadians don't have that right. Whether Americans have that right is what's at issue. I doubt it myself and I guess we'll know for sure if officials show up at Don Lemons and arrest him for his...free speech crime. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
gatomontes99 Posted October 18, 2025 Author Report Posted October 18, 2025 53 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's Don Lemons thesis not mine. Yours is that he should be arrested for inciting violence. I doubt he will be due to it still being an open question in America if citizens can arm themselves in self defense from illegally overreaching public officials. It isn't an open question. 18 U.S.C. § 115 - (Threatening Public Officials) prohibits killing public officials (cops and ICE included). 18 U.S. Code § 373 - (Solicitation to commit a crime of violence makes) what Don Lemon said illegal. What fantasy world are you living on? Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
eyeball Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said: It isn't an open question. 18 U.S.C. § 115 - (Threatening Public Officials) prohibits killing public officials (cops and ICE included). 18 U.S. Code § 373 - (Solicitation to commit a crime of violence makes) what Don Lemon said illegal. What fantasy world are you living on? The one on which Donald Trump suggested 2nd Amendment folks could stop Clinton. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Legato Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: The one on which Donald Trump suggested 2nd Amendment folks could stop Clinton. Well she did want to abolish it. Lemon should turn his idiocy toward Hillary Quote
gatomontes99 Posted October 18, 2025 Author Report Posted October 18, 2025 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: The one on which Donald Trump suggested 2nd Amendment folks could stop Clinton. "Donald Trump suggested that "Second Amendment people" might be able to do something to prevent Hillary Clinton from appointing judges who could overturn the Second Amendment, which drew significant criticism for implying a violent interpretation. His campaign later clarified that he was referring to the political power and unity of gun rights supporters." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-gun-rights-supporters-can-something-stop-clinton Did you really make me get multiple statutes and make multiple posts over several hours and you had no fùcking clue what you were talking about?! Cmon man. Do better. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
eyeball Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 4 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: His campaign later clarified that he was referring to the political power and unity of gun rights supporters." Oh, okay, I'm sure that's all Don Lemon is suggesting then. That everyone should embrace the same political power and unity all 2nd Amendment folks enjoy. You wouldn't begrudge anyone that right would you? Why make it sound like Lemon told people to go kill public officials? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 20 minutes ago, Legato said: Well she did want to abolish it. It makes sense, abolishing it might prevent Americans from believing they need to defend themselves from their government. You do think that would be a healthy sense to cultivate don't you, especially in these politically violent times? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Legato Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 (edited) 1 minute ago, eyeball said: It makes sense, abolishing it might prevent Americans from believing they need to defend themselves from their government. You do think that would be a healthy sense to cultivate don't you, especially in these politically violent times? Well then, a better outcome would be for us Canadians to have a similar entry in our billabong of rights, in these violent times. Edited October 18, 2025 by Legato NO CONTENT Quote
eyeball Posted October 18, 2025 Report Posted October 18, 2025 6 minutes ago, Legato said: Well then, a better outcome would be for us Canadians to have a similar entry in our billabong of rights, in these violent times. You're feeling politically threatened to the point you need a gun? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
gatomontes99 Posted October 18, 2025 Author Report Posted October 18, 2025 23 minutes ago, eyeball said: Oh, okay, I'm sure that's all Don Lemon is suggesting then. There is nothing Don Lemon's words that is open to interpretation. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
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