I was on the biggest solar farm in Canada with 1.5 million panels

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Can you read? Read your electricity bill.

AI, population growth, aging infrastructure and of course, this Tweenkie-ass war on fossil fuels and nuclear. 

So what do the fembots do? They herald the creation of $700 billion in fcking mirrors and batteries. 

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/rising-bills-bad-blame-whats-really-driving-electricity-prices/

That's right, you destructive little pee-on, coal generation in Michigan is PROFITABLE and keeping folks warm and powered.

So you and @herbie need to shut up and go fck yourselves! You dumb little sh1ts cheered on while Brandon imported millions of Gawd-Damn leaches and shat all over the fossil fuel and nuclear energy sources that have served the CITIZENS so well.

You are enemies of humanity and frankly...

Traitors to your nations.

 

Solar and wind  is much more cost effective than COAL, apparently EVEN IN CANADA, IGNORAMUS.

That's why it has GROWN DRAMATICALLY.

And your fossil fuel industry PROPAGANDA will NEVER change that.

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• Institute for Energy Research (IER): 

  A D.C.-based non-profit that advocates for free-market solutions in the energy sector. It has been described as a think tank that supports fossil fuels. 

Find a legitimate source FOOL.

Edited October 14, 2025 by robosmith

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^This BULLSHIT is why I posted the story about 1.5 MILLION panels in Canada. Duh

Somebody invested a lot of money to PROVE YOU WRONG. 

They proved him right. Solar is an unreliable power source in Canada in the winters as alberta found out horribly a few winters ago. 

It's  a suppliment. It means we don't have to draw down the water in the dams during the summer months as much. That's it

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

It’s actually not electricity. You’re in the wrong subject. Solar radiation in solar panel is purely about wave length absorption, there is different physics involved with irradiance, the angle in which light shines. It’s strongest at 90 degrees along the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn , varies by season due to earth’s tilted axis. Outside of those zones, the absorption of solar radiations becomes weaker.

Someone invested in 1.5 MILLION panels in Canada, and all you have IS BULLSHIT that says NOTHING about COST EFFECTIVENESS.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

This is the the type of attitude man kind should have.

The problem with green tech and how it became politicised is because green tech only makes sense by geographic local. It doesn't make any monetary sense to install solar in the middle of no where away from population centers and least of all in places where the sun doesn't shine that bright. Green tech projects makes sense when the money is made of monopoly money at a artificially low financing rate and the highly politicised DEI initiative of Blackrock and Vangaurd whose firm own half of the planet. DEI says you can throw out traditional fiduciary responsibility by avoiding the money math problem. That's the indirect subsidisation. 

The entire green agenda have been built on lies crammed down the public throat. The carbon required to produce green tech will NEVER be made back for the life of the project compared to traditional natural gas and clean burning coal plants. It's actually less polluting to not use renewable.

 

Three BIG solar farms exist well outside of Las Vegas and are doing quite well.

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Based on search results and common knowledge about large-scale solar power projects in the region, three of the largest solar farms outside Las Vegas are the Copper Mountain Solar Facility, the Silver State South Solar Project, and the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System. All are located in the Mojave Desert, taking advantage of its intense sun exposure. 

1. Copper Mountain Solar Facility

• Location: Situated in Boulder City, Nevada, approximately 40 miles southeast of Las Vegas.
• Scale: This facility is not a single plant but a large complex of several interconnected photovoltaic (PV) installations. The combined facility totals over 1 gigawatt (GW) of solar power.
• Details: It covers more than 4,000 acres and uses over 9 million solar panels. The first phase began operations in 2010, and additional phases have since been added. 

2. Silver State South Solar Project

• Location: Located in Clark County, Nevada, near the previously completed Silver State North project.
• Scale: This is a 250-megawatt (MW) photovoltaic power plant owned by NextEra Energy Resources.
• Details: The project was commissioned in 2016 and provides power under a 20-year agreement to Southern California Edison. 

3. Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System

• Location: In the Mojave Desert, 65 miles southwest of Las Vegas, near the California-Nevada border.
• Scale: It has a capacity of 392 MW and became fully operational in 2014.
• Details: Ivanpah is a concentrated solar-thermal power plant that uses over 347,000 computer-controlled mirrors, called heliostats, to focus sunlight onto boilers atop three central towers

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

Incomplete assessment, you forgot the obvious..........

Available data shows significant investment, with the U.S. solar industry potentially receiving around $900 billion in federal tax incentives through 2060, and global renewable power generation subsidies reaching an estimated $128 billion in 2017. In Canada, there has been significant funding for clean technology and renewable energy research and development, with one report estimating that fossil fuel subsidies from 2019-2021 could have funded all major wind and solar projects in Canada twelve times over. 

 

Too bad YOU FAIL to do the financial analysis which includes environmental DAMAGE which is HUGE for FOSSIL FUELS.

When you do, make sure you account for pollution caused LUNG CANCER and COPD, plus BLACK LUNG.

[Nationalist]

17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Solar and wind  is much more cost effective than COAL, apparently EVEN IN CANADA, IGNORAMUS.

That's why it has GROWN DRAMATICALLY.

And your fossil fuel industry PROPAGANDA will NEVER change that.

Find a legitimate source FOOL.

Blah blah...whine whine.

Tell ya what, goof. Disconnect your hut from the power grid and use only solar.

Let me know how that turns out for ya...if you have power for your PC...

Edited October 14, 2025 by Nationalist

[robosmith]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Blah blah...whine whine.

Tell ya what, goof. Disconnect your hut from the power grid and use only solar.

Let me know how that turns out for ya...if you have power for your PC...

Tell ya what, IGNORAMUS. Grid connection is REQUIRED HERE, but NOT USAGE.

I don't have solar because my HOA put a new roof on which makes maintenance EXPENSIVE.

But my sister in Colorado has a negative power bill (gets paid) for producing power for the grid with her 20+ solar panels and she doesn't even have a battery.

Do you even know what a Powerwall 3 is? Google it. There are MANY OTHERS.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Tell ya what, IGNORAMUS. Grid connection is REQUIRED HERE, but NOT USAGE.

I don't have solar because my HOA put a new roof on which makes maintenance EXPENSIVE.

But i thought solar was cheaper?  No? Were you wrong?

 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But i thought solar was cheaper?  No? Were you wrong?

 

He's full o' sh1t.

And zucchini. 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

I just finished a solar installation at my home. The payback is just under 5 years at current rates--and the rates continue to climb. 

Great for the environment and for my finances. 

Stop talking sense!
You'll only get called a liar by these Grampa Simpsons. They probably still heat their house with coal cuz they heard natural gas is an invisible poison.

[robosmith]

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But i thought solar was cheaper?  No? Were you wrong?

They ARE cheaper. One example of a cheap roof cap doesn't change the vast majority of installations. Duh

Thanks for demonstrating how you will LIE at the drop of a hat to serve YOUR AGENDA.

I even told you about another install (my sister's) which is completely representative of the average INSTALL

Did you even understand that AT ALL? LMAO

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Three BIG solar farms exist well outside of Las Vegas and are doing quite well.

Yes because that's where it's sunny, your original post was not there!

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Someone invested in 1.5 MILLION panels in Canada, and all you have IS BULLSHIT that says NOTHING about COST EFFECTIVENESS.

Someone laundered someone else's money in 1.5 Million panels in Canada. It's a giant tax scam, just acknowledge it for what it is. I wouldn't even bother commenting on this thread were it not for the lies you're presenting. 

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

I just finished a solar installation at my home. The payback is just under 5 years at current rates--and the rates continue to climb. 

Great for the environment and for my finances. 

If you're wanting to present an argument you should present where geographically, and what rates are you comparing it to. Also, how many watt did you end up installing. At a certain price and/or Lattitude, Solar does not make sense. 

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Did you even understand that

Look we get it, solar is out of reach for you and many others less fortunate. So stop trying to sell it to everyone. It doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint for some people. That's my point!

[Legato]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Too bad YOU FAIL to do the financial analysis which includes environmental DAMAGE which is HUGE for FOSSIL FUELS.

When you do, make sure you account for pollution caused LUNG CANCER and COPD, plus BLACK LUNG.

So there is zero environmental damage with wind or solar?

If you believe that then remove enviro and look what's left.

 

[robosmith]

28 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Yes because that's where it's sunny, your original post was not there!

Someone laundered someone else's money in 1.5 Million panels in Canada. It's a giant tax scam, just acknowledge it for what it is. I wouldn't even bother commenting on this thread were it not for the lies you're presenting. 

Your "analysis" says NOTHING about COST EFFECTIVENESS. Duh

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

If you're wanting to present an argument you should present where geographically, and what rates are you comparing it to. Also, how many watt did you end up installing. At a certain price and/or Lattitude, Solar does not make sense. 

Look we get it, solar is out of reach for you and many others less fortunate. So stop trying to sell it to everyone. It doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint for some people. That's my point!

It's NOT "out of reach." The FACT is my electricity bill is NOT high enough to justify the investment when my roof cap causes maintenance to be abnormally high.

IF I was paying $2-300/mo, I would def do it. But my bill is UNDER $150/mo so not worth it. 

I WAS going to do it until I found out the Acrylic roof cap is NOT RECOMMENDED for FLAT ROOFS and the roofer told me it would be subject to "ONGOING MAINTENANCE."

So you see, ONCE AGAIN, you don't know what you're talking about. Duh

[robosmith]

14 minutes ago, Legato said:

So there is zero environmental damage with wind or solar?

If you believe that then remove enviro and look what's left.

NOT nearly as much as the pollution from fossil fuels. Duh

Ever heard of the SUPERFUND? 

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, robosmith said:

They ARE cheaper.

But you just said you couldn't afford it. If it's cheaper why wouldn't you be able to afford it

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One example of a cheap roof cap doesn't change the vast majority of installations. Duh

I thought you said it was an expensive roof cap. So expensive that you couldn't afford cheaper electricity somehow (????)

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Thanks for demonstrating how you will LIE at the drop of a hat to serve YOUR AGENDA.

Those were your words. Are you talking to a mirror?

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I even told you about another install (my sister's) which is completely representative of the average INSTALL

I didn't read that post. It's not like you're worth paying attention to all the time,   

Solar is something I know very well. It is very very hard to go completely solar, even in the southern states. Technology for storage is just not there

Solar makes a great supplement to actual power producing systems. Like I said we use it so that we don't have to use as much water during the summer for our hydro projects. It can be used to cut down on the amount of oil or gas that you burn to produce electricity very nicely.

But it's not a replacement yet and it just isn't. And as we've already seen you really don't know what you're talking about. 

Don't worry your little head about it, the smart people are working on it    (fun fact, Zucchini are solar powered!!)

[paxamericana]

24 minutes ago, robosmith said:

you don't know what you're talking about.

Prove me wrong, spend your money on a solar roof then. See if you’re ever going to make that money back for the life of your roof in the time you’re going to own it. Everything else you wrote boils down to excuses. 

Eco-warriors like yourselves are no better than snake oil salesmen and should be treated as such. 

Edited October 14, 2025 by paxamericana

[LinkSoul60]

4 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Prove me wrong, spend your money on a solar roof then. See if you’re ever going to make that money back for the life of your roof in the time you’re going to own it. Everything else you wrote boils down to excuses. 

Eco-warriors like yourselves are no better than snake oil salesmen and should be treated as such. 

Actually, a friend of mine got one put on their roof 2 weeks ago.  Total bill was $13K and with average annual cost of electricity at $2K his pay back is 6.5 years to be net zero.  The safe guess is that him, his wife and the house will still be there in 6.5 years so 'never' is not going to be in the equation.

 

[paxamericana]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

$13K and with average annual cost of electricity at $2K his pay back is 6.5 years to be net zero.

13k is an excellent installed price. Some of the lowest I’ve heard. 2k consumption a year with an expected payback of 6.5 years sounds right on the fence. The average home ownership is right at 7 years. Assuming he lives there here on out for that amount of time, it’s probably 50/50 on value. However, there is a benefit of having his electricity being a fixed cost here on out. If he leaves before year 6 he’s losing money is the catch. 

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Actually, a friend of mine got one put on their roof 2 weeks ago.  Total bill was $13K and with average annual cost of electricity at $2K his pay back is 6.5 years to be net zero.  The safe guess is that him, his wife and the house will still be there in 6.5 years so 'never' is not going to be in the equation.

 

Sure and in all that time it'll never need any maintenance and the batteries (which are the most expensive part) will never need replacing etc etc. 

And people always overestimate the amount of power of these systems will produce especially over time as they become slightly less efficient

Now let's look at the interest value of the money if they had put it in the bank instead of spending it today hoping for our net zero down the road. Or the interest charges if god help them they financed it

You wind up looking at more like 12 to 15 years to get to break even and most people will have sold their house at least once in that time frame.  If they don't then great, but the savings will be pitifully small. 

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

13k is an excellent installed price. Some of the lowest I’ve heard. 2k consumption a year with an expected payback of 6.5 years sounds right on the fence. The average home ownership is right at 7 years. Assuming he lives there here on out for that amount of time, it’s probably 50/50 on value. However, there is a benefit of having his electricity being a fixed cost here on out. If he leaves before year 6 he’s losing money is the catch. 

They're not going anywhere which is one reason they went this route with solar panels.   

[Hodad]

21 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Actually, a friend of mine got one put on their roof 2 weeks ago.  Total bill was $13K and with average annual cost of electricity at $2K his pay back is 6.5 years to be net zero.  The safe guess is that him, his wife and the house will still be there in 6.5 years so 'never' is not going to be in the equation.

 

It's also about a 4+% bump in home value, so the investment will covered even if they decide to move. Turns out having $0 electric bills is a huge selling point. Just leave the electric bill on the counter while the agent is showing. 👍

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

It's also about a 4+% bump in home value, so the investment will covered even if they decide to move. Turns out having $0 electric bills is a huge selling point. Just leave the electric bill on the counter while the agent is showing. 👍

Absolutely...  We want to downsize sooner than later so if/when we find the right place I'll be going down that road as well.  Makes way too much sense all the way around 👍