Ms. James Is Indicted

[Legato]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

Interesting "theory." Thanks for proving you're a deranged IGNORAMUS about US LAW.

Already PROVEN whether you understand that or not.

You mean culpa? LMAO

Dream on.

So you have no idea what a cuppa is?  LMAO Duh OMLA Hud, and a Merry Christmas.

Confucious

[Shady]

10 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Then I guess two courts of law got it wrong...

The charges have nothing to do with the government...she's charged with one count of bank fraud and one count of making false statements to a financial institution. He's a petty man that embarrasses the country.

Yes, the courts did get it wrong, that’s why the appeals court had to step in and slap the lower court down.

[User]

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

He's a petty man that embarrasses the country.

So... you are cool with bank fraud and making unlawful false claims now?

Edited October 12, 2025 by User

[CdnFox]

46 minutes ago, User said:

So... you are cool with bank fraud and making unlawful false claims now?

That's the thing that really bugged me about trump's case. You know who ELSE was just fine with bank fraud?  THE BANK!!! They said they didn't care, they had their own assement and would have leant him the money anyway, got paid back in a timely fashion and had no complaints!  There was NO VICTIM there. 

But the dems....  OHHhhhhh  this is FRAUD (well civil fraud which is nothing like fraud but whateves) And FRAUD must be punished no matter HOW insignificant!!

One guy here argued with me for days that trump's fraud drove up insurance costs for everybody!!!  It was Terrible even if there was no victim!!! (not kidding either, this was his whole argument, insurance goes up even tho there was no problem at the bank. Unbelievable.)

Now it's all "well there's no victim and it's not REAL fraud".  

If hypocrisy could produce energy the lefties could power the world. 

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, Shady said:

Nope.  Bank’s evaluate the value of asserts all the time.  That’s how they give out loans, mortgages etc.  Banks don’t rely on the word of lenders to determine loans.  Regardless, loans were all paid back, on time/. There was no victim.  However, she defrauded the government of taxes.  Tax fraud is a serious crime.

YOU have NO EVIDENCE of tax fraud. 

And NYS LAW does NOT REQUIRE HARM DONE TO VICTIMS to prosecute FRAUDULENT STATEMENTS.

12 hours ago, Shady said:

Cool.  How much money did Trump have to reimburse the bank?  Oh right, zero dollars.  What about the taxes she evaded?  Is she going to have to pay back taxes?

YOU'VE posted NO EVIDENCE of TAX FRAUD NOR that James is even charged with that. Duh

Edited October 12, 2025 by robosmith

[Shady]

18 minutes ago, robosmith said:

YOU have NO EVIDENCE of tax fraud. 

And NYS LAW does NOT REQUIRE HARM DONE TO VICTIMS to prosecute FRAUDULENT STATEMENTS.

YOU'VE posted NO EVIDENCE of TAX FRAUD NOR that James is even charged with that. Duh

I’m pretty sure that there are tax implications as well.  Regardless, she swore it would be her primary residence, and then immediately started renting the home.  She knew that by law she was required to live in New York but swore she’d live in the Virginia home as a primary residence:  She committed mortgage fraud.

[robosmith]

55 minutes ago, Shady said:

I’m pretty sure that there are tax implications as well.  Regardless, she swore it would be her primary residence, and then immediately started renting the home.  She knew that by law she was required to live in New York but swore she’d live in the Virginia home as a primary residence:  She committed mortgage fraud.

As FORMER DA Chris Christie said on This Week this morning, the DoJ never prosecutes such "mortgage fraud" because the amount (less than $1000) is NOT WORTH their EFFORT. Basically it's just a misdemeanor charge.

Thanks for admitting YOU'RE WRONG about tax fraud. Now's the time to admit you're COMPLETELY WRONG.

[gatomontes99]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

As FORMER DA Chris Christie said on This Week this morning, the DoJ never prosecutes such "mortgage fraud" because the amount (less than $1000) is NOT WORTH their EFFORT. Basically it's just a misdemeanor charge.

Thanks for admitting YOU'RE WRONG about tax fraud. Now's the time to admit you're COMPLETELY WRONG.

This charges holds up to 99 years in jail. That would be extreme. But this is bot a misdemeanor. This is a felony fraud. And she's dead to rights. They have sworn, contradictory statements. 

[Shady]

21 minutes ago, robosmith said:

As FORMER DA Chris Christie said on This Week this morning, the DoJ never prosecutes such "mortgage fraud" because the amount (less than $1000) is NOT WORTH their EFFORT. Basically it's just a misdemeanor charge.

Thanks for admitting YOU'RE WRONG about tax fraud. Now's the time to admit you're COMPLETELY WRONG.

And the DOJ never prosecutes what Trump was charged with either, and it’s normally just a misdemeanour.  What goes around comes around.  Nobody is above the law right?

[robosmith]

49 minutes ago, Shady said:

And the DOJ never prosecutes what Trump was charged with either, and it’s normally just a misdemeanour.  What goes around comes around.  Nobody is above the law right?

$100s of millions of dollars worth of fraud is a FELONY. But Trump was charged CIVILY and HE ALREADY LOST.

LYING on a loan application is a CRIME in NYS whether there was a victim or not.

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

$100s of millions of dollars worth of fraud is a FELONY. But Trump was charged CIVILY and HE ALREADY LOST.

LYING on a loan application is a CRIME in NYS whether there was a victim or not.

Nope.  I can value my private property whatever I want.  Others are free to value it differently.  No bank uses the value of the borrower.  That’s why they have their own evaluation process.  Regardless, all loans were paid back on time.  No victims.  You people would have more credibility if you would just admit that Trump shouldn’t have been prosecuted.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Nope.  I can value my private property whatever I want.  Others are free to value it differently.  No bank uses the value of the borrower.  That’s why they have their own evaluation process.  Regardless, all loans were paid back on time.  No victims.  You people would have more credibility if you would just admit that Trump shouldn’t have been prosecuted.

Reliance by the bank is NOT an issue. As PROVEN by James' case, it IS FRAUD LEGALLY in NYS and your amateur legal OPINION MEANS NOTHING.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

$100s of millions of dollars worth of fraud is a FELONY. But Trump was charged CIVILY and HE ALREADY LOST.

LYING on a loan application is a CRIME in NYS whether there was a victim or not.

He was never 'charged' civilly and it wasn't "fraud".  You don't get a trial or the like, the gov't just decides your guilty.  It's like a crosswalk fine, it's not really disputable. 

His trial was about the punishment.  He was presumed guilty. 

And no, it's not a crime..  He was not charged with nor did he go to trial for a crime. 

once again you have ZERO understanding of the law 

[LinkSoul60]

23 hours ago, Shady said:

Yes, the courts did get it wrong, that’s why the appeals court had to step in and slap the lower court down.

You're still missing it...  The appeals court reminded the fine but still found him liable (in other words guilty).  Once a shyster always a shyster.

[Shady]

23 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You're still missing it...  The appeals court reminded the fine but still found him liable (in other words guilty).  Once a shyster always a shyster.

It’s something that’s not uncommon, it’s just very rarely prosecuted.  Just like James’ mortgage fraud.  You can’t have it both ways.

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

It’s something that’s not uncommon, it’s just very rarely prosecuted.  Just like James’ mortgage fraud.  You can’t have it both ways.

You're assuming James is guilty of bank fraud without this even getting to court... which it may not.  Your guy was liable though... as two courts found.  There has never been a president as petulant as this guy... not even close.

[Shady]

8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You're assuming James is guilty of bank fraud without this even getting to court... which it may not.  Your guy was liable though... as two courts found.  There has never been a president as petulant as this guy... not even close.

It’s not a crime to be petulant.  Regardless, if you’re going to prosecute people for low level real estate crimes that are rarely ever prosecuted, then be ready when it happens to you.  You set the precedent.  It was petulant to prosecute Trump in the first place.  But you’re ok with petulance depending on who’s doing it.

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

It’s not a crime to be petulant.  Regardless, if you’re going to prosecute people for low level real estate crimes that are rarely ever prosecuted, then be ready when it happens to you.  You set the precedent.  It was petulant to prosecute Trump in the first place.  But you’re ok with petulance depending on who’s doing it.

Correct, it's not a crime at all.  It's just an embarrassment that the POTUS is the one being petulant.

How do you find a direct comparison of 'petulance' between a multi-billion dollar company embellishing real estate values for more favourable loans to a $18,933 savings on the value on a personal mortgage IF in fact it even gets to court or is even found guilty?

[robosmith]

37 minutes ago, Shady said:

It’s something that’s not uncommon, it’s just very rarely prosecuted.  Just like James’ mortgage fraud.  You can’t have it both ways.

Just because you pretend your FALSE EQUIVALENCE is valid does not make a $1000 gain equivalent to $100s of MILLIONS of FRAUDULENT VALUATIONS.

I'll take former Federal DA Chris Christie over your AMATEUR LEGAL OPINION ANY DAY. He's on This Week for his expertise and YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BE.

23 minutes ago, Shady said:

It’s not a crime to be petulant.  Regardless, if you’re going to prosecute people for low level real estate crimes that are rarely ever prosecuted, then be ready when it happens to you.  You set the precedent.  It was petulant to prosecute Trump in the first place.  But you’re ok with petulance depending on who’s doing it.

^FALSE EQUIVALENCE = DISHONEST.

[robosmith]

16 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Correct, it's not a crime at all.  It's just an embarrassment that the POTUS is the one being petulant.

How do you find a direct comparison of 'petulance' between a multi-billion dollar company embellishing real estate values for more favourable loans to a $18,933 savings on the value on a personal mortgage IF in fact it even gets to court or is even found guilty?

As Chris Christie pointed out, the $18,933 is OVER THE LIFE of the LOAN.

To date, it's been LESS THAN $1000.

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

As Chris Christie pointed out, the $18,933 is OVER THE LIFE of the LOAN.

To date, it's been LESS THAN $1000.

It could be $8.33 and the red hat minions would still be crying foul and to throw her in jail...

[robosmith]

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It could be $8.33 and the red hat minions would still be crying foul and to throw her in jail...

But POTUS demanded Federal prosecution for less than $1000 just proves "vindictive prosecution."

Also proves Trump doesn't understand MATH or THE LAW.

[Shady]

45 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Correct, it's not a crime at all.  It's just an embarrassment that the POTUS is the one being petulant.

How do you find a direct comparison of 'petulance' between a multi-billion dollar company embellishing real estate values for more favourable loans to a $18,933 savings on the value on a personal mortgage IF in fact it even gets to court or is even found guilty?

Under the law it’s fraud.  There is no $18,000 exemption.  Nobody is above the law remember?  If you’re going to prosecute low level rarely prosecuted real estate violations, than don’t complain when it happens to you, hypocrite.

33 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Just because you pretend your FALSE EQUIVALENCE is valid does not make a $1000 gain equivalent to $100s of MILLIONS of FRAUDULENT VALUATIONS.

I'll take former Federal DA Chris Christie over your AMATEUR LEGAL OPINION ANY DAY. He's on This Week for his expertise and YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BE.

^FALSE EQUIVALENCE = DISHONEST.

There is no dollar amount exception under the law.  It’s still fraud.  You’re a hypocrite.

[LinkSoul60]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

Under the law it’s fraud.  There is no $18,000 exemption.  Nobody is above the law remember?  If you’re going to prosecute low level rarely prosecuted real estate violations, than don’t complain when it happens to you, hypocrite.

What do you mean exemption?  Prosecutors allege she saved $18,933 ($600 per year) through this "misrepresentation", including by securing a lower interest rate.  This will be thrown out of court, if it even gets there...

For a Canadian who complains daily about the state of our country, you sure do step up in defence of the guy who's been trying to break our economy.  Most would say that's being hypocritical... 

 

[Fluffypants]

Also Trump didn't commit fraud he put a disclaimer on the application stating that this was his opinion and to please do your own valuation. They did and the loans were based on that.

Value is subjective but what Tish did wasnt. She lied about what the home was for.

Edited October 13, 2025 by Fluffypants