The shutdown

[Gaétan]

"The shutdown is to raise money to buy bombs."

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

"The shutdown is to raise money to buy bombs."

Who said that?

[Gaétan]

On 10/6/2025 at 10:19 AM, Nationalist said:

Who said that?

The economist

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The economist

Huh...and they can prove this? Or is it just an opinion?

[Legato]

13 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The economist

No I did not.

[gatomontes99]

RIFs have begun. 

BEST

SHUTDOWN 

EVER¡!!!!!!!!¡

[Gaétan]

The shutdown is to save money anyway

[robosmith]

17 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The shutdown is to save money anyway

The shutdown is to tell numerous LIES about how the RepubliCONS are powerless to correct their very UNPOPULAR overreach of massive cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and ACA subsidies.

And the demonstration that Trump LIED when he said he wouldn't touch Medicare and Medicaid. 🤮

[Gaétan]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

The shutdown is to tell numerous LIES about how the RepubliCONS are powerless to correct their very UNPOPULAR overreach of massive cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and ACA subsidies.

And the demonstration that Trump LIED when he said he wouldn't touch Medicare and Medicaid. 🤮

Ya but the free bombs sent to the Israel army for the genocide got to be paid.

[User]

42 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Ya but the free bombs sent to the Israel army for the genocide got to be paid.

There is no genocide. 

[Gaétan]

35 minutes ago, User said:

There is no genocide. 

You're not well informed, because the Israeli army has killed at least 350,000 people in Gaza with the support of the United States.

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

You're not well informed, because the Israeli army has killed at least 350,000 people in Gaza with the support of the United States.

The number I'm hearing is much closer to 70,000.

[Gaétan]

13 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The number I'm hearing is much closer to 70,000.

Local sources and NGOs such as the Red Crescent and Doctors Without Borders report thousands of unaccounted-for missing persons.

Indirect estimates based on population density and the intensity of bombardments suggest that the death toll may be several times higher than official figures.

The lack of humanitarian access prevents comprehensive documentation of victims, especially in the hardest-hit areas.

Both Joe Biden and Donald Trump bear responsibility for complicity in a genocide whose death toll has likely far exceeded 70,000 victims, according to indirect estimates and humanitarian reports.

[User]

58 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

You're not well informed, because the Israeli army has killed at least 350,000 people in Gaza with the support of the United States.

Where are you getting that number from?

 

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

You're not well informed, because the Israeli army has killed at least 350,000 people in Gaza with the support of the United States.

Lmao...even Hamas doesn't count 1/3 of that for deaths. You just made that up, didn't you? 

[User]

8 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Lmao...even Hamas doesn't count 1/3 of that for deaths. You just made that up, didn't you? 

I am guessing this is some kind of number for like the last 70 years or something... and if so, that certainly is not evidence of any Genocide LOL

 

[Gaétan]

49 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Lmao...even Hamas doesn't count 1/3 of that for deaths. You just made that up, didn't you? 

They can't count what they can't see under the rubble. You are evading your responsibilities as an American while spreading falsehoods.

Edited October 12, 2025 by Gaétan

[gatomontes99]

20 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

They can't count what they can't see under the rubble. You are evading your responsibilities as an American while spreading falsehoods.

I'm not evading anything. Hamas has been shown to chronically over estimate death tolls. 

Quote

A detailed Washington Institute for Near East Policy study of the reporting on casualties in the Israel–Hamas war reveals numerous discrepancies: For example, on October 19, Hamas officials reported that a total of 3,785 Gazans had died since the war’s inception, 307 more than the day before. Hamas also reported that for that same 24-hour period (October 18–19), 671 children had died. In other words, more children “died” than deaths reported overall. Ditto the statistics about the percentages of women and children killed. On October 18, per Hamas, 25 percent of total deaths for the war were children. One day later, that percentage magically jumped from 25 to 40 percent of total deaths. The math doesn’t add up.

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/dont-fall-for-hamass-numbers-game/

If they are just making up numbers and their numbers aren't even that high, you are quoting some total b.s. Your total is approaching 1/4 of everyone living in Gaza. That is just insanely high. 

[CdnFox]

I  love the theory that if it wasn't for the shutdown, the US wouldn't have the money to buy bombs  

 

[Gaétan]

9 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I'm not evading anything. Hamas has been shown to chronically over estimate death tolls. 

If they are just making up numbers and their numbers aren't even that high, you are quoting some total b.s. Your total is approaching 1/4 of everyone living in Gaza. That is just insanely high. 

This is just one example used by your country to silence the crimes of Israel and the United States. The 70,000 victims are only those they could visibly see falling under the bombs—NGOs say that’s just a fraction of those who actually died.

[Gaétan]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I  love the theory that if it wasn't for the shutdown, the US wouldn't have the money to buy bombs  

 

Tariffs, the shutdown—all of it is to pay for bombs and cover the cost of wars. Trump refuses to end the shutdown and will blame the Democrats, who are just another gang of criminals

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Tariffs, the shutdown—all of it is to pay for bombs and cover the cost of wars. Trump refuses to end the shutdown and will blame the Democrats, who are just another gang of criminals

Except...we're what you say is true...

Why would Trump have negotiated peace in Gaza?

Perhaps you want to rethink your premise?

Edited October 12, 2025 by Nationalist

[User]

10 hours ago, Gaétan said:

They can't count what they can't see under the rubble. You are evading your responsibilities as an American while spreading falsehoods.

So… if they can’t count, where did you get your number from? 

32 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Tariffs, the shutdown—all of it is to pay for bombs and cover the cost of wars. Trump refuses to end the shutdown and will blame the Democrats, who are just another gang of criminals

Trump isn’t the one who caused the shutdown.

Are you ignorant of how this works?

Republicans passed a spending bill in the House, Senate Democrats refused to support it, because 60 votes are needed. 
 

 

[User]

48 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

This is just one example used by your country to silence the crimes of Israel and the United States. The 70,000 victims are only those they could visibly see falling under the bombs—NGOs say that’s just a fraction of those who actually died.

Hell, OK, let’s assume your numbers are accurate… how is that a genocide? 

[Gaétan]

14 minutes ago, User said:

Hell, OK, let’s assume your numbers are accurate… how is that a genocide? 

Evidence Supporting the Genocide Claim

Mass killings of civilians: Over 50,000 deaths have been reported, with disproportionate targeting of women and children.

Destruction of infrastructure: Hospitals, schools, water systems, and shelters have been systematically bombed, creating unlivable conditions.

Statements of intent: The UN Commission found that Israeli officials made explicit remarks suggesting an intent to destroy Palestinians in Gaza as a group.

Four of five genocidal acts: According to the UN Commission, Israel committed four of the five acts defined in the Genocide Convention.

Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission finds | OHCHR

Obstruction of humanitarian aid: The blockade and restrictions on food, medicine, and fuel have led to famine-like conditions affecting the entire population.