Orangey and The Brainworm Strike Again

[herbie]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Trump’s lie-filled gaslighting and rambling at the UN today was a sight to behold

Bleating and bellowing before an actual audience that knows he's an utter fool for once. Refreshing.
I'm sure they ran out to invest in Kenvue once his halfwit cultists drove the price down for a day.

 

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Trump’s lie-filled gaslighting and rambling at the UN today was a sight to behold. Even by his standards is was pretty ridiculous. It was quite clear  that none of it was intended for the international audience in front of him, just more fake news and res meat for his domestic base. Absurd lies about the economy, absurd lies about the environment, absurd lies about Biden   I wish the MAGAs could really just see their cult leader through the eyes of the outside world for just a minute and realize what a buffoon he truly is to everyone else. 

He's an utter embarrassment.  Speaking at a UN Assembly he slags the UN, Biden, Obama, and most every other country on the planet because of their immigration laws.  He talks his typical bullshit on the climate, how great the US is doing and of course, 'I've been right about everything'.  A freaking embarrassment...  How his minions can't see him for what he is amazes me, but that's why they're minions.

[gatomontes99]

28 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

'May' and 'more research is needed' is enough for me.  The professor of maternal-fetal medicine at UC San Diego Health Sciences is not good enough for you?

And it's not a blind hatred I have for Trump, it's a very strong eyes wide-open dislike I have for him. 

Literally the only thing that is changing is that doctors will advise expecting women to be careful. For that, you've attacked Trump with a hate-filled diatribe and uninformed condemnation. I'd say your blind hatred is quite severe. 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

'May' and 'more research is needed' is enough for me.  The professor of maternal-fetal medicine at UC San Diego Health Sciences is not good enough for you?

And it's not a blind hatred I have for Trump, it's a very strong eyes wide-open dislike I have for him. 

Why would you wait until there's more research?

Jumping off a cliff may seriously injure your health but more research is needed. Only a complete twat would jump off the cliff. You would jump off the cliff

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

Literally the only thing that is changing is that doctors will advise expecting women to be careful. For that, you've attacked Trump with a hate-filled diatribe and uninformed condemnation. I'd say your blind hatred is quite severe. 

So the professor of maternal-fetal medicine opinion wasn't good?  Fair enough...

There is no need for me to attack Trump.  The dumb SOB does enough daily/hourly to warrant any criticism that comes his way. In other words...he earns it.  Your TDS/ Trump Deification Syndrome is puzzling, but commendable in its depth.  

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

So the professor of maternal-fetal medicine opinion wasn't good?  Fair enough...

There is no need for me to attack Trump.  The dumb SOB does enough daily/hourly to warrant any criticism that comes his way. In other words...he earns it.  Your TDS/ Trump Deification Syndrome is puzzling, but commendable in its depth.  

You have one doctor. Harvard did a meta review and found 27 studies that had robust procedures that showed a potential link. All this admin is doing is making that information available to pregnant women. Why are you going full blown melt down over it? 

[Venandi]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Listening to that orange m0r0n ramble on with hilariously absurd claims that “he heard” about Tylenol and autism, it’s like what you would hear from young kids when they’re talking about something they know nothing about.

Looks like the sequel to "Covidi0ts on Ivermectin Street."

Tune in tomorrow when Herb asks the most pressing medical question in the neighbourhood... "are you a horse?"

Apparently the issue is a possible link between Acetaminophen use during pregnancy and neurodevelopment issues like autism and ADHD in children. It seems the jury is out though due to a lack of consistency/replication in the various studies so it was deemed that more investigation is required.

Luckily though, now that you've set the record straight, we'll all just relax and forgo looking into the issue any further and consider the matter closed. 

Thank you for your service...

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You have one doctor. Harvard did a meta review and found 27 studies that had robust procedures that showed a potential link. All this admin is doing is making that information available to pregnant women. Why are you going full blown melt down over it? 

Linksoul - 'FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!"

You  "the science says you're wrong'. 

Linksoul  "Not THAT science.... i means this little bit over here that i like!!! Ignore the rest!  FOLLOW MY PREFERRED SCIENCE!!!!"

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Linksoul - 'FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!"

You  "the science says you're wrong'. 

Linksoul  "Not THAT science.... i means this little bit over here that i like!!! Ignore the rest!  FOLLOW MY PREFERRED SCIENCE!!!!"

It is all about the feels with them. There is nothing illogical or wrong that Trump is introducing. 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

It is all about the feels with them. There is nothing illogical or wrong that Trump is introducing. 

Honestly in this case it's not even controversial. Their freak out is absolutely childish.

The study is clear that there is a possible relationship that shows up in the numbers. There are plenty of other products that women can use instead, so of course the logical and sane thing to do based on the science is to limit the use of Tylenol in pregnant women and wait and see what future research shows over time.

I mean that just makes sense. We have reason to believe something could be dangerous, so we're not going to do it until we're sure because there's no reason not to do it a different way.

For some reason that has sent the lefties into the stratosphere in fury. Like somehow now Tylenol is a left-wing that they are prepared to die on or something? FFS it might be causing problems, lets err on the side of caution and not use it.  How hard is that?

[SpankyMcFarland]

The link between acetaminophen and autism isn’t strong enough to justify a definite positive statement on causality. When it comes to public health the Swedes have done some excellent studies. A large Swedish study involving 2.5 million children found a small increase in autism among users of Tylenol but none within the families where Tylenol was used in one pregnancy and not in another. Sibling studies give researchers a chance to compare pregnancies with similar genetic and environmental conditions. This is important because women who use acetominophen may be slightly different from women who don’t for reasons not connected to the drug itself, eg, may have a higher risk of infection or autoimmune disease. Thus use of the drug may be a result of factors predisposing to autism rather than a cause. 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

BTW untreated fever is also a hazard for fetuses. 

 

 

 

Edited September 23, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

You have one doctor. Harvard did a meta review and found 27 studies that had robust procedures that showed a potential link. All this admin is doing is making that information available to pregnant women. Why are you going full blown melt down over it? 

You can easily find many other medical expert opinions on this which I'm guessing you have, but obviously will disregard because of your loyalty to Trump.  Why are you saying I'm in 'full blown meltdown'?  Far from it...  Trump is a source of laughs and entertainment for me in trying to understand how anyone in that position can literally be that stupid.  Otherwise, it's you and your country that has to live with him so enjoy that ride....

[paxamericana]

OP what are the Canadians mad about Americans this time? I don't see the point. Since you all can't actually vote, Trump is your defacto emperor, why betch?

Edited September 23, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The link between Tylenol and autism isn’t strong enough to justify a definite positive statement on causality.

 

Sure it is. There positively is evidence that there may be a connection. That's all they're saying.  The data is sufficient to say that. 

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A large Swedish study involving 2.5 million children found a small increase in autism among users of Tylenol but none within the families where Tylenol was used in one pregnancy and not in another. Sibling studies gives researchers a chance to compare pregnancies with similar genetic and environmental conditions. This is important because women who use Tylenol may be slightly different from women who don’t for reasons not connected to the drug itself, eg, may have a higher risk of infection or autoimmune disease.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

BTW untreated fever is also a hazard for fetuses. 

 

Blah blah blah.  They collected information from several studies and they were able to determine that there is some evidence of a connection.  Commonality does not mean causality but it's an indicator.

The only reason you're even remotely fighting this is because it's trump. If mark carney came out and said the same thing first you would have been insistent that it makes perfect sense to err on the side of caution and been in agreement. I would be saying the same thing as I'm saying right now, there's enough evidence of a link why bother using Tylenol with pregnant women but you don't have to

It is childish to be even talking about this. There's enough evidence for concern, and there's absolutely no reason not to use something else. And they're not banning it or anything they're just saying minimize the use. Additional research will be done over time and a clearer answer will be found I'm sure

What the hell is even the problem here?

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

You have one doctor. Harvard did a meta review and found 27 studies that had robust procedures that showed a potential link. All this admin is doing is making that information available to pregnant women. Why are you going full blown melt down over it? 

Meta reviews are tricky to interpret. They combine a jumble of studies with markedly different criteria and put them, the good with the not so good, through a sausage machine of statistical analysis. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

Meta reviews are tricky to interpret. They combine a jumble of studies with markedly different criteria and put them, the good with the not so good, through a sausage machine of statistical analysis. 

Fine. Do additional research. But in the meantime why in god's name would you know that there's a possible risk and just ignore it?

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure it is. There positively is evidence that there may be a connection. That's all they're saying.  The data is sufficient to say that. 

Blah blah blah.  They collected information from several studies and they were able to determine that there is some evidence of a connection.  Commonality does not mean causality but it's an indicator.

The only reason you're even remotely fighting this is because it's trump. If mark carney came out and said the same thing first you would have been insistent that it makes perfect sense to err on the side of caution and been in agreement. I would be saying the same thing as I'm saying right now, there's enough evidence of a link why bother using Tylenol with pregnant women but you don't have to

It is childish to be even talking about this. There's enough evidence for concern, and there's absolutely no reason not to use something else. And they're not banning it or anything they're just saying minimize the use. Additional research will be done over time and a clearer answer will be found I'm sure

What the hell is even the problem here?

This matter is too serious for trolling. I would have said the same if anybody had made this claim. My statements mirror the current medical consensus. If strong evidence of a causal link emerges I will be happy to change my opinion. 
 

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Fine. Do additional research. But in the meantime why in god's name would you know that there's a possible risk and just ignore it?

 

Everything in life is risky. Alleging a causal link is a big step. Did you read the link I posted? That was serious research with a huge number of people. 

Edited September 23, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

Why does everything here have to be discussed in a hysterically partisan way? This is public health for crying out loud. 

Edited September 23, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

17 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

OP what are the Canadians mad about Americans this time? I don't see the point. Like since you all can't actually vote, why betch?

An opinion like this from a member of the public or even an academic in the field would carry little weight but we have to pay attention when senior political figures in the US give this claim such credence. 

Edited September 23, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[paxamericana]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

An opinion like this from a member of the public or even an academic in the field would carry little weight but we have to pay attention when senior political figures in the US give this claim such credence. 

It's not unfounded. We are not meant to abuse medication, especially when pregnant. Taking synthetic NSAID does not mean there are zero side affects. It's best to avoid taking such medication when pregnant as the fetus is highly susceptible to drug induced toxicology. While individuals reaction and tollerance vary, it is still best to avoid using any drugs unless absolutely necesarry for life saving reason. 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

This matter is too serious for trolling. I would have said the same if anybody had made this claim. My statements mirror the current medical consensus. If strong evidence of a causal link emerges I will be happy to change my opinion. 

And by then a bunch of kids may have been exposed to autism that didn't need to be. Why? What would be the point.

What would you say to mothers whom you counseled to take Tylenol because you didn't feel that the evidence was strong enough when the evidence proves that it was a problem and now their children have autism as a result or have war autism than they would have had? How would you explain that despite the evidence that there was a potential problem you just didn't feel like it was worth addressing

And if we've learned one thing from liberals over the years there is no such thing as a topic that is so important that they are willing to set aside their bias to deal with it

If there was no acceptable substitute for Tylenol then maybe you might have a point, the benefits of things like reducing fevers grossly outweighs the potential risk. But there are plenty of things that you can take is a set of Tylenol.

Based on that I can't see how this is anything other than a political reaction on your part. There is no reason not to advise doctors to limit its use given the possibilities and there is every reason to err on the side of caution until further research is conducted. That's just common sense. But let's face it, because it's trump you don't want him to be right and that's what's motivating you

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

It's not unfounded. We are not meant to abuse medication, especially when pregnant. Taking synthetic NSAID does not mean there are zero side affects. It's best to avoid taking such medication when pregnant as the fetus is highly susceptible to drug induced toxicology. While individuals reaction and tollerance vary, it is still best to avoid using any drugs unless absolutely necesarry for life saving reason. 

This appears to be your opinion?  It certainly sounds logical but according to medical experts in this field, that is not the case;

Cynthia Gyamfi-Bannerman, the past president of the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine and professor of maternal-fetal medicine at UC San Diego Health Sciences, said the concerns about autism and Tylenol have overshadowed well-established risks of untreated fevers in pregnancy.

“If you don’t take Tylenol when you have a fever, especially in the first trimester, we know that can be detrimental to the fetus,” Gyamfi-Bannerman said.

“Suggestions that acetaminophen use in pregnancy causes autism are not only highly concerning to clinicians but also irresponsible when considering the harmful and confusing message they send to pregnant patients, including those who may need to rely on this beneficial medicine during pregnancy,” a statement from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists said.

 

I'd certainly hope that pregnant woman with any common sense at all would listen to what medical experts say rather than politicians.  That in itself is common sense, but we know that doesn't always prevail with some.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Here are some expert opinions, many of which refer to that Swedish study. 

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https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-media-reports-that-the-trump-administration-will-link-paracetamol-to-autism/

 

 

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Here are some expert opinions, many of which refer to that Swedish study. 

 

 

Then why the large increase in autism cases, could it be climate change?

[SpankyMcFarland]

46 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

It's not unfounded. We are not meant to abuse medication, especially when pregnant. Taking synthetic NSAID does not mean there are zero side affects. It's best to avoid taking such medication when pregnant as the fetus is highly susceptible to drug induced toxicology. While individuals reaction and tollerance vary, it is still best to avoid using any drugs unless absolutely necesarry for life saving reason. 

Sure but there are risks to no treatment of fever as well.