Liberal's Fracture: MPs form environmental caucus as some want stronger climate focus from Carney

[CdnFox]

Liberal MPs form environmental caucus as some want stronger climate focus from Carney | CBC News

Well THAT'S not good news at all for Carney. 

It's never a good sign when your own mp's start forming 'special groups' away from your leadership to discuss what policy should be, and it's TERRIBLE news when they feel the need to go public about it. 

Carney is being pulled three ways - there's his own limited ideas and bare bones experience which was grossly overhyped,  his advisors which he relies on more heavily and then his mp's, most of which were 100 percent on board with most of Justins policies and though justin was right.  And that is going to lead to a mish mash of ideas and policies where you get watered down junk that won't work, flip flops trying to keep everyone happy, or caucus revolts that prevent you from getting anything done. 

 

[suds]

On 9/7/2025 at 2:17 AM, CdnFox said:

Liberal MPs form environmental caucus as some want stronger climate focus from Carney | CBC News

Well THAT'S not good news at all for Carney. 

It's never a good sign when your own mp's start forming 'special groups' away from your leadership to discuss what policy should be, and it's TERRIBLE news when they feel the need to go public about it. 

Carney is being pulled three ways - there's his own limited ideas and bare bones experience which was grossly overhyped,  his advisors which he relies on more heavily and then his mp's, most of which were 100 percent on board with most of Justins policies and though justin was right.  And that is going to lead to a mish mash of ideas and policies where you get watered down junk that won't work, flip flops trying to keep everyone happy, or caucus revolts that prevent you from getting anything done. 

 

Well he stole most of the Conservative's policies, and if he was leader of the Conservative Party he'd have the wind at his back. I've heard that a lot of Canadians liked the Conservative's policies, but wanted the Liberals to implement them. Should have listened to me and voted for the real deal. In other news, we have European Parliament President Roberta Metsola saying 'There's a market for Canadian oil and gas in Europe ..... We need reliable and predictable sources of supply, and Canada comes into the mix'. Since the war in Ukraine began, all of a sudden our fossil fuels aren't so dirty anymore. This should be a no-brainer.  Maybe this would be a good opportunity for us to ask them very politely to stop dragging their feet and ratify CETA.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/international/2025/09/08/european-parliament-president-says-theres-a-market-for-canadian-oil-and-gas-in-europe/

Edited September 8, 2025 by suds

[Army Guy]

I find it funny that the countries finances take a back seat to climate change....just how much climate change measures would we have if we were broke...

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, suds said:

Well he stole most of the Conservative's policies, and if he was leader of the Conservative Party he'd have the wind at his back. I've heard that a lot of Canadians liked the Conservative's policies, but wanted the Liberals to implement them.

That was lisa raitt's joke.  She said that all the polling and people she talked to convinced her they wanted PP's policy but carney to implement it   

Unfortunately, as it's turning out, Carney did not have the skill to implement it.  And we KNEW that, he's NEVER BEEN IN POLITICS! Being a banker does NOT Give you the skills for this job.  

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Should have listened to me and voted for the real deal. In other news, we have European Parliament President Roberta Metsola saying 'There's a market for Canadian oil and gas in Europe ..... We need reliable and predictable sources of supply, and Canada comes into the mix'. Since the war in Ukraine began, all of a sudden our fossil fuels aren't so dirty anymore. This should be a no-brainer.  Maybe this would be a good opportunity for us to ask them very politely to stop dragging their feet and ratify CETA.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/international/2025/09/08/european-parliament-president-says-theres-a-market-for-canadian-oil-and-gas-in-europe/

 

Yeah, germany was here practically begging us for our natural gas and japan too.  We could be flying very high right now.  

But trudeau screwed us over big time and carney doesn't know how to get pipelines built. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I find it funny that the countries finances take a back seat to climate change....just how much climate change measures would we have if we were broke...

well that's what's happening now, climate change is way the hell down the list of people's priorities right now. Latest poling has it as barely showing a blip. People are sick of going broke over it. 

ANd remember when everyone said the carbon tax doesn't really make that big a difference in fuel costs? And when it came off fuel dropped by like 30 cents?  

The problem for carney is a lot of the liberal caucus got hired and elected BECAUSE they were huge into climate change and those people are still there. And they're setting up to challenge carney as well 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

well that's what's happening now, climate change is way the hell down the list of people's priorities right now. Latest poling has it as barely showing a blip. People are sick of going broke over it. 

ANd remember when everyone said the carbon tax doesn't really make that big a difference in fuel costs? And when it came off fuel dropped by like 30 cents?  

The problem for carney is a lot of the liberal caucus got hired and elected BECAUSE they were huge into climate change and those people are still there. And they're setting up to challenge carney as well 

Well it might be time to get rid of a few MP's cash them in on someone that can follow direction....leave the wacki doodles home until; if climate takes the driver seat again...

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Well it might be time to get rid of a few MP's cash them in on someone that can follow direction....leave the wacki doodles home until; if climate takes the driver seat again...

Well his next opportunity to do that would be refusing to sign their nomination papers at the next election, but to actually do that to a sitting MP has severe political ramifications. The liberals in the writing often get very pissed and can very easily vote for another party or just stay home in protest and you could lose the seat. There is a very very real possibility you'll face it back bench revolt and many of the survivors will move to try and oust you. Carney is an outsider in many respects, it won't be hard to turn the party against him if he tries that stuff. And then there's blowback from the boaters in general who see you as behaving in an anti-democratic fashion.

Over time it changes, and peace decide not to run, writings get lost and then you can have someone else run in it to win it back, but the current makeup is the result of four liberal elections most of which happened under Trudeau and even the fourth one the nominees were nominated under Trudeau even though carney ran the election. There's far too many environmentalist types even in his cabinet currently to even consider getting rid of them all.

He's inherited Justin's mess and it's not going to be that easy to work with

[Nefarious Banana]

Hopefully the NDP gain a strong new leader and siphon some of the Liberal backbenchers to their party . . . split the Liberals?  Would be nice!

[SpankyMcFarland]

Every political party contains diverse opinions and stamping out dissent wouldn’t be a good idea. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Every political party contains diverse opinions and stamping out dissent wouldn’t be a good idea. 

It's been liberal policy for forever. The liberals are not remotely diverse.  They focus on the prevailing mood of ontario and quebec metros and everyone else can go eff themselves. Trudeau the first actually literally gave the west the middle finger. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Hopefully the NDP gain a strong new leader and siphon some of the Liberal backbenchers to their party . . . split the Liberals?  Would be nice!

Well the thing is that ndp voters traditionally are not really liberal suporters.  They will occasionally become temp libs like they're some sort of refugees in order to stop the conservatives or because their party leader is trash (jagmeet.... staaaaaaarre)  but they really don't fit with the liberal party. 

If a new ndp leader who's strong and appealing gets in and leads like layton did then the ndp will naturally go home and be happy. 

Honestly, it was amazing that the liberals got the NDP supporters to vote for a global capitalist banker whose job it is to hide tax money from the poor for the 1% in the first place  They're not going to need a lot of pushing to leave that arrangement

[taxme]

On 9/6/2025 at 11:17 PM, CdnFox said:

Liberal MPs form environmental caucus as some want stronger climate focus from Carney | CBC News

Well THAT'S not good news at all for Carney. 

It's never a good sign when your own mp's start forming 'special groups' away from your leadership to discuss what policy should be, and it's TERRIBLE news when they feel the need to go public about it. 

Carney is being pulled three ways - there's his own limited ideas and bare bones experience which was grossly overhyped,  his advisors which he relies on more heavily and then his mp's, most of which were 100 percent on board with most of Justins policies and though justin was right.  And that is going to lead to a mish mash of ideas and policies where you get watered down junk that won't work, flip flops trying to keep everyone happy, or caucus revolts that prevent you from getting anything done. 

 

All of this green nonsense bs is making many lieberals richer by the day. This has nothing to do with the environment at all but more to do with the lieberals making more money off of our Canadian backs. In life there is just one thing to remember, and that is, everything is always about the money and nothing more. This green scam is just all about making money at Canadians expense. I am pretty sure that Carnage the destroyer has plenty of money invested in pushing EV's. Just saying. 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's been liberal policy for forever. The liberals are not remotely diverse.  They focus on the prevailing mood of ontario and quebec metros and everyone else can go eff themselves. Trudeau the first actually literally gave the west the middle finger. 

Oh, how i look forward to the day very soon when the west finally separates from the Marxist globalist eastern Canadian bast--ds. It is time to now leave the eastern thieves and cheats and liars in the east behind. The western provinces could become one of the most wealthiest prosperous countries on earth. Westerners could became filthy rich. It's time and long overdue. Just saying. 😇

[taxme]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Every political party contains diverse opinions and stamping out dissent wouldn’t be a good idea. 

But that is just what the lieberals are good at all of the time. Tow the lieberal party line or get axed. There is no democracy in the lieberal party. Just full of people who believe in Marxist tyranny and are totally against freedom of speech and assembly. There will be no diverse opinions in the anti-democratic lieberal party. Just saying.