Pierre is back!

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

🤔

🤣

Oh sorry, i forgot.  You're a liberal.  You can't tell the difference between lying and telling the truth.  

He gave his word, intended to keep it, found out he couldn't and then broke his word. That isn't a lie   That's just someone not living up to their commitments because they couldn't. 

It's a little sad i keep having to explain to you what a lie is  

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Like I said, I'm definitely on side with closing loopholes for corporations.

well so was everyone else, it was a minority gov't and any party could have shot it down but they all agreed. 

things had changed, the cpc discovered what was going to happen if they kept their word, they agonized over the decision and decided to break their word rather than do massive damage, and they put in a bunch of new tax breaks and such for older people to help replace what they were losing. 

Some people can correct a mistake when they make one rather than trash the country, and other people are liberals. 

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hey, you're the loser who's explaining how his fave politicians broken promise isn't a lie

LOL you mean explaining to you what words mean? That a broken promise isn't a lie? LOLOL 

Yeah, the fact you need that explained would make you the loser kiddo  

[eyeball]

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

well so was everyone else

Notwithstanding everyone who took him at his word...They were right pissed off at being lied to. Not getting an apology probably made them feel that way even more.

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL you mean explaining to you what words mean? That a broken promise isn't a lie? LOLOL 

No explaining how you, of all people could say a broken promise isn't a lie.

It's phenomenal, easily explained of course by the fact you treat Harper like he was a god, but phenomenal all the same.

Edited August 29, 2025 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Notwithstanding everyone who took him at his word...They were right pissed off at being lied to. 

No, they were right pissed off when he didn't keep his word 

LOL if you're down to cheezedick wordswaps to try to make your point, then even you know you've failed badly

Harper made a promise. THen he got into power and realized he could not keep that promise. He did what he could to compensate people but did the right thing for canada even tho it hurt him politically.  

That is not the same as lying.  

Sorry that you look stupid again but that's really not my fault.  Your blind hatred of all things harper frequently leads to this, but that's a you problem. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No explaining how you, of all people could say a broken promise isn't a lie.

Many explanations, you just forget any explination that proves you wrong 5 minutes after you read it  

A broken promise is when someone intends to do something and commits to it but then discovers they can't. A lie is when someone intentionally says something they know isn't true or is grossly misleading with the intent to deceive. 

You know, like saying you had nothing to do with your company moving to the states when you very obviously did.    

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Harper made a promise. THen he got into power and realized he could not keep that promise. He did what he could to compensate people but did the right thing for canada even tho it hurt him politically.

That is not the same as lying.

It is when you don't apologize for it - it only underscores the deceit. You're making it sound like an honest mistake.

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Many explanations, you just forget any explination that proves you wrong 5 minutes after you read it

I'm just ignoring them. I am however willing to listen to you explain why you think Harper apologized.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It is when you don't apologize for it -

Ahhh no.   No something doesn't become a lie if you don't apologize for it.  😁😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣😋😋

LOL my god you find new ways to be stupid every time we talk   It's like some sort of challenge for you, " well i was PRETTY dumb yesterday but i think i can work my way up to EXTREMELY dumb today if i really try!!!" LOL

 

[Barquentine]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 Are you seriously suggesting no trade deals were done during harper's time?

That's not what you said. you said PeePee got trade deals done. Now you're weaseling out as usual.

You're a three inch turd trying to fit down a two inch pipe.

[LinkSoul60]

12 hours ago, Legato said:

Only one Liberal payment side to the media so no it is not, telling how you casually ignore the obvious.

.

We've only had a liberal government to fund media grants...  It's obvious that people are easily influenced, even conservatives.

[Shady]

19 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Are you trying to convince me or yourself that Poilievre is likeable and is PM material?  Again, the facts say that the majority of people don't think so and don't want him as our PM so nothing more I can add to that.

 

No doubt that his failure also has something to do with what he stands for, and what he doesn't stand for....

Find Pierre’s Voting Record on the House of Commons Website.

VOTED AGAINST:

• Bill C-31, An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing
• Affordable housing and addressing Canada’s housing crisis (2006, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014, 2018 and 2019)
• Bill C-48 Raising the federal minimum wage (2004)
• Bill C-2 Tax cuts for the working middle class (2015)
• Bill C-64 Free diabetes medication
• Bill C-19 Tax-free first home savings account (2022)
• e-4516 Free Contraceptives
• $10-a-day child care
• Dental care
• The National School Food Program
• The Canada Child Benefit
• Pharmacare
• Voted 8 times against federal anti-scab legislation (2004-2023)
• In 20 years as a MP, he has voted against protecting the environment 400 times
• Voted against expansion of the Canada Pension Plan (CPP), the most significant improvement to Canada’s public pension system in 50 years (2016)
• Voted against a 10% increase to the Old Age Security pension for those aged 75 and above (2021)
• Voted against taxing the rich by opposing raising the capital gains inclusion rates (2024)
• Subsidized daycare
• Same-sex marriage
• Stronger gun control

WHAT HE’S FOR:

• Voted for $43.5 billion cut to healthcare funding 
• Voted for $196.1 billion cut to funds for surgery and emergency room wait times
• As Housing Minister in Stephen Harper’s Conservative government, he allowed 800,000 affordable rental units to be sold off to corporate landlords and developers.
• Voted to increase the age of eligibility for Old Age Security (OAS) and the Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS) from 65 to 67 (2012)
• Pierre promoted allowing employers to abandon the pension they promised to workers 
• Supported hiking the retirement age from 65-67
• Supported C-377 and C-525 bills, which tried to bury unions
• Supported eliminating dependable defined benefits pensions and replacing them with inferior plans that take all the risk off banks and bosses and put it on the backs of workers, replace with Pooled Registered Pension Plan (PRPP) employer participation and contributions are voluntary
• Defined marriage as a union between ‘one man and one women t the exclusion of all others” (2005) 
• Said Indigenous Peoples needed to learn the value of hard work more than they needed compensation for residential schools (2008) – “are we really getting value for all of this money” value of hard work, independence and self-reliance
• Worked to bring American-style anti-union laws to Canada (2013)
• Made it harder for Canadians to vote (2014) by introducing the Fair Election Act
• Promoted a ‘niqab ban’ (2015) “not going to succumb to political correctness in order to accommodate a practice that it is not aligned with Canadian values”
• Followed the American far-right playbook to use anti 2sLGBTQI+ language (2023) – radical gender ideology on kids – woke gender ideology imposed on our children – radical gender ideology – religion of gender ideology, proponents of radical gender ideology. 
• Called child care a ‘slush fund,’ and tried to cut programs that support the middle class (2021) 
• Encouraged Canadians to ‘opt-out on inflation’ with volatile crypto-currencies (2022) 
• Used misogynist YouTube tags to court far-right supporters (2022) – men going their own way: term coined by misogynistic men who try to cut women completely out of their lives
• Pushed an anti-vaccine agenda (2023)
• Committed to free votes, allowing his MP to bring forward anti-abortion legislation (2023)  endorsed by an anti-choice group. Interview with Jordan Peterson was sponsored by an anti-choice group.
• Supported illegal convoy blockades (2023) calling them “cheerful, patriotic, optimistic Canadians” 
• Delivered a speech to a group that claimed it was a “myth” that residential schools robbed Indigenous children of their childhood (2023)
• Visited and courted far-right extremist groups such as Diagolon (2022-2024)
• Turned his back on Ukraine (2024) – voted against support 
• Said he’d use the notwithstanding clause, overriding Canadian’s rights (2024)
• Talked down pandemic supports that helped millions of Canadians pay their bills during the crisis (2020) “we are conservatives we don’t believe in that”, we “don’t believe in big fat government programs”
• Posed with someone wearing a ‘straight pride’ shirt during Pride season (2023)
• Used the term ‘tar baby’ in the House of Commons (2009)
• Terminated the federal Housing Accelerator Fund, cutting billions of dollars from housing construction and making it harder for municipalities to build more homes.
• In January 2025, Poilievre stated he is only aware of two genders and expressed that the government should not involve itself in questions of gender identity.
• Has publicly stated that he will defund the CBC 
• Big donors are real estate investors: Richard Abboud, the CEO of an REIT called Forum Asset Management is listed as donating $7,875 to the federal Conservative party since 2017, according to Elections Canada records.
• Poilievre’s chief strategist is a lobbyist for Galen Weston and Loblaws
• His deputy leader lobbied to protect a for-profit long-term care company that saw record profits and high fatalities during the pandemic
• His caucus chair is the chairman of a major grocery chain

 

"Voting records" are meaningless and the details of the legislation often are much different than the name of the legislation.  And often times, things are put into bills that force one side or the other to vote against it.

What's not meaningless is that since the Liberals took office, everything in Canada has gotten worse.

[Shady]

After a decade of Liberal mismanagement.

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

That's not what you said. you said PeePee got trade deals done.

No, I did not.  I said, and i quote,  "But there were dozens of deals that he got to work on".

You know, it would be REALLY great if we could have even ONE conversation where you didn't lie to try to make your point  🙄

And that's how you learn. You participate, you watch how the deals are unfolding, you participate in collecting the data and numbers and you participate in the strategy discussions in caucus and you watch the deal.  Now you know how to do that kind of thing. 

You've already admitted this, that MP's participate.  And that's how they learn. 

And if you want to go a step further even though i didn't mention it Harper has said loud and clear he supports PP, PP is very qualified, and can call him anytime for advice, and harper got a lot of deals done. Carney can call.... justin trudeau.  Wow. 

So let's recap.

1 - PP had real experience in these kinds of things and Carney has zero.

2 -PP has experience in gov't and how it works IN CANADA and knows how to make things happen politically and Carney has never served in the gov't ANYWHERE and most of his career has been outside of canada. 

3 - you're a steaming pile of dog poo who has to lie to try to make his point  and on top of it has a massive reading comprehension problem and mocks his betters when he fails to try to make himself look better. 

It's like there's some giant sign out there that says "You have to be THIS stupid to vote liberal"

 

[LinkSoul60]

5 hours ago, Shady said:

"Voting records" are meaningless and the details of the legislation often are much different than the name of the legislation.  And often times, things are put into bills that force one side or the other to vote against it.

What's not meaningless is that since the Liberals took office, everything in Canada has gotten worse.

Voting records are totally relevant.  It tells you what an elected official stands for, and doesn't stand for.  

[Barquentine]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, I did not.  I said, and i quote,  "But there were dozens of deals that he got to work on".

 

When I asked you what deals PeePee knew how to do you said"

Posted Tuesday at 12:35 PM (by C..ox)

"Trade deals (mark's failed there)

Pipleine deals (mark's failed there)

Interprovincial trade deals (mark's failed there)

First nations agreements (mark has REALLY failed there)"

Are you a phucking goldfish? Do you think people can't read your posts? Now go scrape your leg.

[I am Groot]

On 8/28/2025 at 12:24 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

Because a big part of Carney's platform is to make Canada a leading energy superpower?

In renewable energy. Anyway, I thought you guys didn't like cheap slogans. Energy superpower? What the hell does that even mean? Nothing. It's just a cheap expression to throw out to impress the gullible.

On 8/28/2025 at 12:24 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

Sure, educated urban 'lefties' are oblivious to Canada's natural resources....  Are you serious?

They're too divorced from the realities of economics. And generally speaking, poorly educated or miseducated.

On 8/28/2025 at 12:24 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

Because Polievre said so....

Do you not live in this country? Not because Poilivre said so because anyone who has watched public projects for the last twenty years knows so. What other countries do in a week, we take a month. What they do in a year, we take a decade. Doesn't matter if it's pipelines, bridges, highways, buildings or rail. Years and years of studies, planning, arguments, more studies, legal fights, etc. And then even when we get started, construction is so bound up in a mass of red tape that it takes way longer to actually complete anything. Did you hear we're renovating the parliament buildings? Yeah, well, it's been ongoing for a decade now. Will take another decade. It will only cost us about $4.5-$5 billion. Ottawa has a new LRT! It took only a decade to agree on, and it's now 12 years into building it. Nobody is quite sure when or if it will ever be completed.

On 8/28/2025 at 12:24 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

 Take your blue hat off for a minute and read where there will be an announcement in 2 weeks around port infrastructure.  

How exciting! I remember the announcement of the new LRT in Ottawa about fourteen years ago.

Compare how long it took to build the Transmountain pipeline in the 1950s with how long it took to twin it. Canada doesn't build anything quickly nor cheaply. Remember Harper's plan to rebuild the navy? Yes, Harper. We still don't have any warships. None will be delivered for at least five more years.

On 8/28/2025 at 12:24 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

That's bad news or is the only thing conservatives care about is another oil pipeline from AB to the coast?  Yes, you don't build ports in a couple weeks, it obviously takes time.  I have no idea what's going to happen in 4 years but will assume that if port and other infrastructure projects are in full motion that will bode well for Carney.

Building a port in Churchill is a waste of money. It will be closed most of the year. They need to build one on the East Coast, but Quebec won't let a pipeline go through, and Carney doesn't have the balls to overrule them.

On 8/28/2025 at 12:24 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

I'd suggest that you know very little of the VCE ETF that you apparently own.  Think about it.... the better the assets within the ETF perform the better the fund perform

Don't even try, bud. Obviously, underlying assets affect the price of the ETF. But Brookfield is 4.5% of one ETF. It's something like 0.1% of my overall investments. So I really don't care about what happens to Brookfield. Nor would Poilievre.

On 8/28/2025 at 12:24 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

So what if Carney has significant equity holdings.  That's financially astute and has been dealt with in a blind trust.

It's not a blind trust if he knows what's in it. And he certainly knows he has stock options in Brookfield. As for Poilievre, if he's diversified, then Brookfield is not a big part of his holdings. And he's not in a position to impact the company anyway. Unlike Carney.

 

[I am Groot]

On 8/28/2025 at 1:17 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

With due respect.... call it what you want and justify it being CBC's fault if you'd like.  Facts are facts...regardless of how they became facts.

The fact you are ignoring is that the CBC will oppose ANY Conservative party leader. They will seek, as will the Liberals, as will other left media, to portray him or her as an evil, slavering far-right white supremacist who hates gays, minorities, immigrants, poor people, etc. 

More to the point, there are a LOT of people in this country who suck on the government teat. Ten percent of the population works in the public sector. Add all the people who work for companies that cater to the government, or who work in all the consultant groups, NGOs, activist, cultural, and lobby groups that get funding from the government, and THEIR families, and that's a huge number of people who have little or no interest in electing someone who will cut down on government spending. They will alwas vote for left wing parties.

As will newly arrived ethnic groups like Muslims, who are certainly disgusted with left-wing social views and values, but who want more immigration and more accommodation for their people. That's a lot of people who are determined to hate whoever runs for the Conservatives.

[I am Groot]

On 8/28/2025 at 1:39 PM, CouchPotato said:

South of the border conservatives understand the power of the narrative and that they had to overcome it. They are far more active than we are. There are a lot more conservative podcasters now, and that is a good thing, but we still are not as active as Americans are. We need a movement.

There is a strong conservative media presence south of the border, but none in Canada. There is no FOX news here, and no Brietbart. There are no conservative newspapers other than the Sun, and the National Post (and please don't even start with talking about how the rest of the Postmedia papers are conservative. I read them. They're not. The Globe and Mail seems to be competing with the Toronto Star these days, trying to outflank them on the Left.

Edited August 30, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

On 8/28/2025 at 4:30 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

Are you trying to convince me or yourself that Poilievre is likeable and is PM material?  Again, the facts say that the majority of people don't think so and don't want him as our PM so nothing more I can add to that.

 

No doubt that his failure also has something to do with what he stands for, and what he doesn't stand for....

Find Pierre’s Voting Record on the House of Commons Website.

VOTED AGAINST:

• Bill C-31, An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing
• Affordable housing and addressing Canada’s housing crisis (2006, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014, 2018 and 2019)
• Bill C-48 Raising the federal minimum wage (2004)
• Bill C-2 Tax cuts for the working middle class (2015)
• Bill C-64 Free diabetes medication
• Bill C-19 Tax-free first home savings account (2022)
• e-4516 Free Contraceptives
• $10-a-day child care
• Dental care
• The National School Food Program
• The Canada Child Benefit
• Pharmacare
• Voted 8 times against federal anti-scab legislation (2004-2023)
• In 20 years as a MP, he has voted against protecting the environment 400 times
• Voted against expansion of the Canada Pension Plan (CPP), the most significant improvement to Canada’s public pension system in 50 years (2016)
• Voted against a 10% increase to the Old Age Security pension for those aged 75 and above (2021)
• Voted against taxing the rich by opposing raising the capital gains inclusion rates (2024)
• Subsidized daycare
• Same-sex marriage
• Stronger gun control

WHAT HE’S FOR:

• Voted for $43.5 billion cut to healthcare funding 
• Voted for $196.1 billion cut to funds for surgery and emergency room wait times
• As Housing Minister in Stephen Harper’s Conservative government, he allowed 800,000 affordable rental units to be sold off to corporate landlords and developers.
• Voted to increase the age of eligibility for Old Age Security (OAS) and the Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS) from 65 to 67 (2012)
• Pierre promoted allowing employers to abandon the pension they promised to workers 
• Supported hiking the retirement age from 65-67
• Supported C-377 and C-525 bills, which tried to bury unions
• Supported eliminating dependable defined benefits pensions and replacing them with inferior plans that take all the risk off banks and bosses and put it on the backs of workers, replace with Pooled Registered Pension Plan (PRPP) employer participation and contributions are voluntary
• Defined marriage as a union between ‘one man and one women t the exclusion of all others” (2005) 
• Said Indigenous Peoples needed to learn the value of hard work more than they needed compensation for residential schools (2008) – “are we really getting value for all of this money” value of hard work, independence and self-reliance
• Worked to bring American-style anti-union laws to Canada (2013)
• Made it harder for Canadians to vote (2014) by introducing the Fair Election Act
• Promoted a ‘niqab ban’ (2015) “not going to succumb to political correctness in order to accommodate a practice that it is not aligned with Canadian values”
• Followed the American far-right playbook to use anti 2sLGBTQI+ language (2023) – radical gender ideology on kids – woke gender ideology imposed on our children – radical gender ideology – religion of gender ideology, proponents of radical gender ideology. 
• Called child care a ‘slush fund,’ and tried to cut programs that support the middle class (2021) 
• Encouraged Canadians to ‘opt-out on inflation’ with volatile crypto-currencies (2022) 
• Used misogynist YouTube tags to court far-right supporters (2022) – men going their own way: term coined by misogynistic men who try to cut women completely out of their lives
• Pushed an anti-vaccine agenda (2023)
• Committed to free votes, allowing his MP to bring forward anti-abortion legislation (2023)  endorsed by an anti-choice group. Interview with Jordan Peterson was sponsored by an anti-choice group.
• Supported illegal convoy blockades (2023) calling them “cheerful, patriotic, optimistic Canadians” 
• Delivered a speech to a group that claimed it was a “myth” that residential schools robbed Indigenous children of their childhood (2023)
• Visited and courted far-right extremist groups such as Diagolon (2022-2024)
• Turned his back on Ukraine (2024) – voted against support 
• Said he’d use the notwithstanding clause, overriding Canadian’s rights (2024)
• Talked down pandemic supports that helped millions of Canadians pay their bills during the crisis (2020) “we are conservatives we don’t believe in that”, we “don’t believe in big fat government programs”
• Posed with someone wearing a ‘straight pride’ shirt during Pride season (2023)
• Used the term ‘tar baby’ in the House of Commons (2009)
• Terminated the federal Housing Accelerator Fund, cutting billions of dollars from housing construction and making it harder for municipalities to build more homes.
• In January 2025, Poilievre stated he is only aware of two genders and expressed that the government should not involve itself in questions of gender identity.
• Has publicly stated that he will defund the CBC 
• Big donors are real estate investors: Richard Abboud, the CEO of an REIT called Forum Asset Management is listed as donating $7,875 to the federal Conservative party since 2017, according to Elections Canada records.
• Poilievre’s chief strategist is a lobbyist for Galen Weston and Loblaws
• His deputy leader lobbied to protect a for-profit long-term care company that saw record profits and high fatalities during the pandemic
• His caucus chair is the chairman of a major grocery chain

 

I like your American style attack ad. Who gathered all this up for you?

Re: voting records. Anyone familiar with Canada knows that parties vote as a whole. Pointing out Poilievre's 'voting record' is like pointing out the Conservative party's voting record. You don't break from the party, especially if you're a cabinet minister or parliamentary assistant. So let's say delete all that "Voted against" and just replace it with the following:

"The Conservative party opposed bringing in still more expensive benefits while we already have a massive deficit."

As for the second part. I'm not going to go point by point to demonstrate the dishonesty of each of them. My time is more valuable than that. Suffice to say, it's all carefully cherry-picked and one-sided descriptions from people for whom honesty is a foreign concept. If you find any one or two bad, then that can be discussed. But doing a cut and paste of a lot of BS from some far left site is not going to lead to discussion.

 

16 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Voting records are totally relevant.  It tells you what an elected official stands for, and doesn't stand for.  

Are you at all familiar with Canadian politics? Where are you located?

[I am Groot]

On 8/28/2025 at 8:38 PM, eyeball said:

Oh...well, the people who lost $35 billion sure have a different opinion on that, the same as just about every media outlet that reported on it.

Circumstances change. Income trusts were fine for small organizations. But when large corporations make preparations to declare themselves income trusts at a cost to the government of many billions, then you have to do something about it.

Do you want politicians to stick to their promises regardless of how circumstances change?

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Do you want politicians to stick to their promises regardless of how circumstances change?

I did say I supported Harper closing the loophole.

Whatever honesty he tried to put on display was squandered when he refused to apologize for it. As pointed out his misstep only caused more cynicism towards politicians and governments in general.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

 

When I asked you what deals PeePee knew how to do you said"

Posted Tuesday at 12:35 PM (by C..ox)

"Trade deals (mark's failed there)

Pipleine deals (mark's failed there)

Interprovincial trade deals (mark's failed there)

First nations agreements (mark has REALLY failed there)"

Are you a phucking goldfish? Do you think people can't read your posts? Now go scrape your leg.

Sure.  He will have been front row for deals of those types and worked on them and will know how to do them. 

That is a FAR CRY from the lie you tried to sell, which was that i claimed he was the one who 'did' those deals.  I never made any such claim 

You are the liar here, and yes every single person can see it.  

Carney has ZERO experience with any of that,  PP has experience with all of that.  AND direct access to people who have great track records with regards to that too if he wants another opinion. 

Your lies and strawman  bullshit won't change that. And we're seeing the results right now. 

[LinkSoul60]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

In renewable energy. Anyway, I thought you guys didn't like cheap slogans. Energy superpower? What the hell does that even mean? Nothing. It's just a cheap expression to throw out to impress the gullible.

They're too divorced from the realities of economics. And generally speaking, poorly educated or miseducated.

Do you not live in this country? Not because Poilivre said so because anyone who has watched public projects for the last twenty years knows so. What other countries do in a week, we take a month. What they do in a year, we take a decade. Doesn't matter if it's pipelines, bridges, highways, buildings or rail. Years and years of studies, planning, arguments, more studies, legal fights, etc. And then even when we get started, construction is so bound up in a mass of red tape that it takes way longer to actually complete anything. Did you hear we're renovating the parliament buildings? Yeah, well, it's been ongoing for a decade now. Will take another decade. It will only cost us about $4.5-$5 billion. Ottawa has a new LRT! It took only a decade to agree on, and it's now 12 years into building it. Nobody is quite sure when or if it will ever be completed.

How exciting! I remember the announcement of the new LRT in Ottawa about fourteen years ago.

Compare how long it took to build the Transmountain pipeline in the 1950s with how long it took to twin it. Canada doesn't build anything quickly nor cheaply. Remember Harper's plan to rebuild the navy? Yes, Harper. We still don't have any warships. None will be delivered for at least five more years.

Building a port in Churchill is a waste of money. It will be closed most of the year. They need to build one on the East Coast, but Quebec won't let a pipeline go through, and Carney doesn't have the balls to overrule them.

Don't even try, bud. Obviously, underlying assets affect the price of the ETF. But Brookfield is 4.5% of one ETF. It's something like 0.1% of my overall investments. So I really don't care about what happens to Brookfield. Nor would Poilievre.

It's not a blind trust if he knows what's in it. And he certainly knows he has stock options in Brookfield. As for Poilievre, if he's diversified, then Brookfield is not a big part of his holdings. And he's not in a position to impact the company anyway. Unlike Carney.

 

Not worth responding to each comment, you complain about them all.  I get what's happened the past 20 years you're talking about but what do you want to do about it today.  We just elected a new government 4 months ago.

Good to see you get that the assets drive the ETF's price.  The point is who cares what Poilievre or Carney have in their portfolio's as long as it's managed compliant with ethics laws.  And you can't be serious saying Poilievre has a diversified portfolio and Carney only cares about Brookfield stock. The guy had a portfolio of 500+ entities.  Is your problem with Carney or with Brookfield? 

[ExFlyer]

On 8/29/2025 at 1:04 PM, CdnFox said:

No, I did not.  I said, and i quote,  "But there were dozens of deals that he got to work on".

You know, it would be REALLY great if we could have even ONE conversation where you didn't lie to try to make your point  🙄

And that's how you learn. You participate, you watch how the deals are unfolding, you participate in collecting the data and numbers and you participate in the strategy discussions in caucus and you watch the deal.  Now you know how to do that kind of thing. 

You've already admitted this, that MP's participate.  And that's how they learn. 

And if you want to go a step further even though i didn't mention it Harper has said loud and clear he supports PP, PP is very qualified, and can call him anytime for advice, and harper got a lot of deals done. Carney can call.... justin trudeau.  Wow. 

So let's recap.

1 - PP had real experience in these kinds of things and Carney has zero.

2 -PP has experience in gov't and how it works IN CANADA and knows how to make things happen politically and Carney has never served in the gov't ANYWHERE and most of his career has been outside of canada. 

3 - you're a steaming pile of dog poo who has to lie to try to make his point  and on top of it has a massive reading comprehension problem and mocks his betters when he fails to try to make himself look better. 

It's like there's some giant sign out there that says "You have to be THIS stupid to vote liberal"

 

So, lets look at what has your hero leader Pierre Poilievre done as an MP:

 

 

As an MP since 2004, Pierre Poilievre has held cabinet and parliamentary secretary roles during the Conservative government under Stephen Harper and has served as a prominent opposition critic. In 2022, he became the leader of the Conservative Party and the Leader of the Official Opposition. 

 

 

Under the Harper government (2006–2015)

During the Conservative minority and majority governments, Poilievre held several key positions. 

 

• Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Treasury Board (2006–2013): He was involved in overseeing the drafting and adoption of the Federal Accountability Act, legislation aimed at curbing government corruption.
• Minister for Democratic Reform (2013–2015): He was responsible for the controversial Fair Elections Act, which critics claimed would suppress voter turnout and give incumbents an unfair advantage.
• Minister of Employment and Social Development (2015): He briefly served in this cabinet role before the Conservatives lost the 2015 federal election. 

• His past actions on housing policy during the Harper years have been criticized by political opponents. Critics point to the following: 
• The Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) claims that during the Harper era, Poilievre was part of a government that allowed roughly 800,000 affordable rental units to be sold to developers and corporate landlords.
• CUPE also states that under the Harper Conservatives, the average home price in Canada rose by 70%, and Poilievre voted against initiatives to address housing affordability.
• Some Liberal and NDP politicians have made claims that Poilievre's record as a minister involved building only a handful of affordable homes, though this has been the subject of debate and fact-checking. 

 

In opposition (2015–2022)

After the Conservatives lost power, Poilievre became a leading voice in opposition to the Liberal government.

• Finance Critic: He served as the party's shadow minister for finance for most of this period, from 2017 to 2022.
• Criticism of government policy: He became known for his attacks on the Liberal government over what he characterized as irresponsible spending leading to inflation.
• Support for the convoy protest: In 2022, he supported the Freedom Convoy protests in Ottawa, which led to a surge of donations to his leadership campaign. 

As Conservative leader (2022–present)

Since becoming party leader, Poilievre's efforts have focused on economic issues and attacking Liberal policies. 

 

• Economic policy: He advocates for measures to address inflation, primarily by curbing government spending. He also supports reducing carbon-related emissions through technology rather than taxes.
• Housing and cost of living: He has made the housing crisis a central plank of his platform, pledging to eliminate the federal Housing Accelerator Fund and cut bureaucracy to allow for more home construction.
• Energy and environment: His platform includes repealing several Liberal environmental policies, such as the carbon tax, the ban on single-use plastics, and the Zero-Emission Vehicle mandate.
• Legal and social issues: Poilievre has been criticized by political opponents for various stances, including voting against expanding same-sex marriage in 2005 and for using controversial rhetoric against political opponents and institutions. 

Notable legislative and parliamentary actions

• Sponsored Bill C-414 (2005): He introduced a private member's bill to prevent the government from charging rent to the Queensway Carleton Hospital, though the bill did not pass.
• Parliamentary decorum: Throughout his career, his "scrappy disposition and sharp partisan attacks" have occasionally gotten him into trouble, leading to apologies for inappropriate comments or behavior in the House of Commons.
• Byelections: After losing his seat in the 2025 general election, he successfully ran in a by-election to represent the Alberta riding of Battle River–Crowfoot, which allowed him to return to Parliament. 

So basically, he has done nothing but be a blowhard and mouthpiece LOL

Go ahead...dispute any of the above.... with proof of course......

Edited August 31, 2025 by ExFlyer

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Not worth responding to each comment, you complain about them all.  I get what's happened the past 20 years you're talking about but what do you want to do about it today.  We just elected a new government 4 months ago.

After Carney spent the entire election period scaring people and calling this the most urgent crisis of our generation. Then he got in and sent everyone on vacation. They're still on vacation. Budget? We don't need no steenking budget! In the interim, he's going around throwing cheques for borrowed money at all kinds of problems. But he isn't actually trying to address the root source of Canada's miserable productivity and economic decline. Which is his government and its massively expensive regulatory burden and the huge influx of cheap, mostly low-skilled foreign workers and immigrants.

12 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

And you can't be serious saying Poilievre has a diversified portfolio and Carney only cares about Brookfield stock. The guy had a portfolio of 500+ entities.  Is your problem with Carney or with Brookfield? 

The problem is that we don't know the value of the investments. If I put a million dollars into VCE and XEQT, but also hold five million in Brookfield stock, then yeah, I'm technically invested in hundreds (actually thousands) of entities, but Brookfield is the one I have the most interest in. We don't know how his holdings are ordered. We only know he has millions in stock options in Brookfield because of SEC filings. What should have happened was that he sold everything and let an outside investment manager take over his money and invest as they chose. He should also exercise those stock options and sell them. Brookfield's interests are so widely dispersed that virtually anything he does can impact the company.

Poilievre is a red herring. He does not have the power to affect the profitability of any of the companies he's invested in.

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1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

After Carney spent the entire election period scaring people and calling this the most urgent crisis of our generation.

That sounds like nothing compared to 10 years of PP having called Justin the biggest crisis Earth has ever faced.