Carney's $1.2 billion in lumber aid inflames subsidy allegations, U.S. industry says - this is why you don't hire a banker to be a politican

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

MEH.  more blather and banter

 

LOL only you think facts and reason and logic is 'blather and banter' but sure  

And yet again you've got no logic or reason, just a picture.  And thus the meltdown starts again. 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

LOL only you think facts a

MEH.  more blather and banter

Read it and weep 

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/wp-content/uploads/attachments/The_Softwood_Lumber_Agreement.pdf

The Canadian Center for Policy  Alternatives.  is a non-partisan research institute producing research and analysis to help policy-makers, activists, and Canadians make informed decisions.

 

Just another useless post from you again denying the facts  LOL

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

MEH.  more blather and banter

Read it and weep 

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/wp-content/uploads/attachments/The_Softwood_Lumber_Agreement.pdf

The Canadian Center for Policy  Alternatives.  is a non-partisan research institute producing research and analysis to help policy-makers, activists, and Canadians make informed decisions.

 

Just another useless post from you again denying the facts  LOL

 

LOL oh shit i broke him again!

I swear i wasn't even trying!!  

me:  Simple fact

ex-crier  "EMOTIONAL DAMAGE MODE ENGAGED! FIRE CHILDISH MEMES!!!"

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL oh shit i broke him again!

I swear i wasn't even trying!!  

me:  Simple fact

ex-crier  "EMOTIONAL DAMAGE MODE ENGAGED! FIRE CHILDISH MEMES!!!"

Poor baby ....waa waa waa ...still whining LOL

Only keeping you on topic which is difficult for you

Don't want the same thing? Then stop responding.

So, MEH.  more blather and banter

Read it and weep ...again. 

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/wp-content/uploads/attachments/The_Softwood_Lumber_Agreement.pdf

The Canadian Center for Policy  Alternatives.  is a non-partisan research institute producing research and analysis to help policy-makers, activists, and Canadians make informed decisions.

 

Just another useless post from you again denying the facts and playing the self pity card  LOL

Edited August 14, 2025 by ExFlyer

[LinkSoul60]

Hold tight Carney...  The fat Orange Man will TACO out before too long.... his aimless supporters will be crying louder as the mounting pressure from inflation takes shape and Canadian's continue to say F*ck You to the US and our money spend in the country.  Add Vegas Baby casino owners to the list of business CEO's who have a problem with Trump's so-called policies...  So much fun!

Las Vegas is hurting as tourism drops. Are Canadians behind the Sin City slump?

The number of Canadians going to Vegas has plummeted — prompting concern among casino CEOs

"International visitation has been an issue," Hornbuckle said. "Particularly earlier in the year, with Canada, we host a lot of hockey games, and we saw visitation down. And I think — I don't think, I know — it's still down," he said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/las-vegas-tourism-canadian-slump-1.7607707

[PIK]

Be nice if we found a market to take all our lumber. America without Canadian lumber is going to suffer big time.

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Be nice if we found a market to take all our lumber. America without Canadian lumber is going to suffer big time.

America won't be doing without Canadian lumber, they have no other alternatives.  The American builder and consumer is going to feel the pain here so just a matter of time before something mutually beneficial is worked out.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Poor baby ....waa waa waa ...still whining LOL

Only keeping you on topic which is difficult for you

Don't want the same thing? Then stop responding.

So, MEH.  more blather and banter

Read it and weep ...again. 

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/wp-content/uploads/attachments/The_Softwood_Lumber_Agreement.pdf

The Canadian Center for Policy  Alternatives.  is a non-partisan research institute producing research and analysis to help policy-makers, activists, and Canadians make informed decisions.

 

Just another useless post from you again denying the facts and playing the self pity card  LOL

Oh good, you've mentally healed enough to not be stuck in repeat mode   LOLOL  Well i told you a good nights sleep would help  

And still begging me to stop being mean to you i see.  Tsk! Such a child.  

And still couldn't refute a single thing i said i see  

Canada’s softwood lumber industry - Natural Resources Canada

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Oh good, 

 

More BS from you. Your link is just a repeat of what I posted (and even an official government web page) So glad you finally see that I was right LOL ... You LOSE...again LOSER LOL

Read and heed

Poor baby ....waa waa waa ...still whining LOL

Only keeping you on topic which is difficult for you

Don't want the same thing? Then stop responding.

So, MEH.  more blather and banter

Read it and weep ...again. 

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/wp-content/uploads/attachments/The_Softwood_Lumber_Agreement.pdf

The Canadian Center for Policy  Alternatives.  is a non-partisan research institute producing research and analysis to help policy-makers, activists, and Canadians make informed decisions.

 

Just another useless post from you again denying the facts and playing the self pity card  LOL

 

Edited August 14, 2025 by ExFlyer

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

America won't be doing without Canadian lumber, they have no other alternatives.  The American builder and consumer is going to feel the pain here so just a matter of time before something mutually beneficial is worked out.

There's a few of us around that would love to clear~cut the Redwood and Sequoia patches.  Replant with sh!t-wood Alder and softwood Maple.  

[Shady]

14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

More BS form you. Your link is off topic and is just a repeat of what I posted (and even an official government web page) ... You LOSE...again LOSER LOL

Read and heed

Poor baby ....waa waa waa ...still whining LOL

Only keeping you on topic which is difficult for you

Don't want the same thing? Then stop responding.

So, MEH.  more blather and banter

Read it and weep ...again. 

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/wp-content/uploads/attachments/The_Softwood_Lumber_Agreement.pdf

The Canadian Center for Policy  Alternatives.  is a non-partisan research institute producing research and analysis to help policy-makers, activists, and Canadians make informed decisions.

 

Just another useless post from you again denying the facts and playing the self pity card  LOL

 

No such thing as non partisan.  That’s red flag in and of itself.

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

There's a few of us around that would love to clear~cut the Redwood and Sequoia patches.  Replant with sh!t-wood Alder and softwood Maple.  

Why??? 

Are the Americans wanting to cut down all our old growth trees at Cathedral Grove?

[Shady]

Lol look at the picture they use for their report!  Bwaaahaaahaa @ non partisan! 😂😂😂

[LinkSoul60]

13 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

There's a few of us around that would love to clear~cut the Redwood and Sequoia patches.  Replant with sh!t-wood Alder and softwood Maple.  

What does that have to do with the softwood lumber that is needed for home construction?

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

America won't be doing without Canadian lumber, they have no other alternatives.  The American builder and consumer is going to feel the pain here so just a matter of time before something mutually beneficial is worked out.

They have plenty of alternatives, plenty of lumber producing nations out there , the real question is how much are they willing to pay....Canadian lumber is cheap because it only travels short distances, American has access to more domestic lumber but they need time to expand that industry....

Canada has been actively looking for new customers for it's lumber but to replace the US orders is a tall order...right now US customers are going to pay much more for their new homes, but Canadian lumber producers are going to have to reduce their output, once Americans find other alternatives...

US is always going to be our biggest customer, I personal think that we should be looking at restricting the amount of lumber sold to the US...i mean we have been accused of dumping it on the US market, it will either force the Americans to find other sources, or come back to the table and agree of less tariffs.......Sell our lumber here at home, and other nations....we need to start building homes like everyone talks about....

[LinkSoul60]

11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

They have plenty of alternatives, plenty of lumber producing nations out there , the real question is how much are they willing to pay....Canadian lumber is cheap because it only travels short distances, American has access to more domestic lumber but they need time to expand that industry....

Canada has been actively looking for new customers for it's lumber but to replace the US orders is a tall order...right now US customers are going to pay much more for their new homes, but Canadian lumber producers are going to have to reduce their output, once Americans find other alternatives...

US is always going to be our biggest customer, I personal think that we should be looking at restricting the amount of lumber sold to the US...i mean we have been accused of dumping it on the US market, it will either force the Americans to find other sources, or come back to the table and agree of less tariffs.......Sell our lumber here at home, and other nations....we need to start building homes like everyone talks about....

There are different types of lumber and softwood lumber that is used in home/residential construction and various handyman Reno's or projects mainly comes from Canada...~25 - 30% of their consumption and ~80% of their imports.  Otherwise they've have to look to Germany, Sweden or Brazil.

The US is certainly our biggest customer and that's likely to never change given we're landlocked with them.  We are though looking to expand more of this trade elsewhere which only benefits the industry.  And yes, plan to help jump start housing was introduced earlier this week which obviously benefits the industry as more homes get built.

 

[Army Guy]

45 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

There are different types of lumber and softwood lumber that is used in home/residential construction and various handyman Reno's or projects mainly comes from Canada...~25 - 30% of their consumption and ~80% of their imports.  Otherwise they've have to look to Germany, Sweden or Brazil.

The US is certainly our biggest customer and that's likely to never change given we're landlocked with them.  We are though looking to expand more of this trade elsewhere which only benefits the industry.  And yes, plan to help jump start housing was introduced earlier this week which obviously benefits the industry as more homes get built.

 

So they do have options if the price is right....meanwhile Canada needs to do a better job at sell to other countries....lessening our need to depend on US markets for everything...

We need to stop talking about it and start executing the solution it is getting late in the building season...and tariffs are here now...

[LinkSoul60]

12 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So they do have options if the price is right....meanwhile Canada needs to do a better job at sell to other countries....lessening our need to depend on US markets for everything...

We need to stop talking about it and start executing the solution it is getting late in the building season...and tariffs are here now...

Yes, obviously Canada is trying to lessen the dependance on the US but you don't wake up tomorrow and start shipping materials around the world without someone to sell it to.  That takes time.

Building activity will happen when there is a demand for it. The overall market is soft with developers are sitting on thousands of unsold new construction units....primarily Toronto and Vancouver condos.  When the demand is there new homes will be built to meet that demand.

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Why??? 

Are the Americans wanting to cut down all our old growth trees at Cathedral Grove?

No need to cut anything at Cathedral Grove.  MacBlo at the time traded that standing junk deadwood at the grove for cutblocks higher up on Arrowsmith.  The grove was done 40+ years ago . . . it's standing junk now.

Being facetious about the Redwoods . . . Redwood doesn't make good construction lumber.  Douglas fir does.

Don't light your hair on fire, it might get away on you and cause an evacuation.

[Army Guy]

11 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes, obviously Canada is trying to lessen the dependance on the US but you don't wake up tomorrow and start shipping materials around the world without someone to sell it to.  That takes time.

Building activity will happen when there is a demand for it. The overall market is soft with developers are sitting on thousands of unsold new construction units....primarily Toronto and Vancouver condos.  When the demand is there new homes will be built to meet that demand.

This is trumps second term, i guess Canada slept through the those years, we had a huge glance at what was coming....we said the same thing about China and that trade war, and we still do business with china...maybe this time we will take it more seriously...I hope Carney gets a grip on it soon or he might be that one hit wonder...

Are you saying there is NO demand for new homes now....and the media has been saying for a few months now all these condos and apartments in the big cities are not filled to capacity...with prices going down , which is a good sign....

But homes, everyone eventually wants a home, i mean here in NB homes prices have more than doubled in the last 5 to 6 years, i bought 6 years ago for 385, and sold this year for 775....and the cost of building is out of this world....builders are building smaller homes, even those are priced at the top of the market for new families' at 550 or higher...someone said that a good drop in interest rates could start building up...that and removing some of the red tape...

[ExFlyer]

15 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

No need to cut anything at Cathedral Grove.  MacBlo at the time traded that standing junk deadwood at the grove for cutblocks higher up on Arrowsmith.  The grove was done 40+ years ago . . . it's standing junk now.

Being facetious about the Redwoods . . . Redwood doesn't make good construction lumber.  Douglas fir does.

Don't light your hair on fire, it might get away on you and cause an evacuation.

Please don't be a LOSER too....

Being facetious about Cathedral Grove too but when you say you want to cut down their special forest...

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

This is trumps second term, i guess Canada slept through the those years, we had a huge glance at what was coming....we said the same thing about China and that trade war, and we still do business with china...maybe this time we will take it more seriously...

Not sure what you're trying to say....   We should have more diversified our trade more during Biden's term in case the Orange *sshole came back for another failed term?  In hindsight, obviously so....   I don't recall the conservatives clamouring for this though....were they?

9 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Are you saying there is NO demand for new homes now....and the media has been saying for a few months now all these condos and apartments in the big cities are not filled to capacity...with prices going down , which is a good sign....

How/why would you interpret what I said as there is no demand for new homes?  The market is soft with a lot of inventory for sale....not breaking news.  There is an excess of new condos on the market not selling....not breaking news.   Prices will go back up as demand comes back.

[Army Guy]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Not sure what you're trying to say....   We should have more diversified our trade more during Biden's term in case the Orange *sshole came back for another failed term?  In hindsight, obviously so....   I don't recall the conservatives clamouring for this though....were they?

How/why would you interpret what I said as there is no demand for new homes?  The market is soft with a lot of inventory for sale....not breaking news.  There is an excess of new condos on the market not selling....not breaking news.   Prices will go back up as demand comes back.

No one was talking about it during biden, but then again the show was a liberal one..., and yet every party was talking about it during trumps rien...we do alot of that in Canada talk the sh!t out of things then forget about them...same as China trade war and then the Michaels.... 

Market is soft for condos and apartments, homes meaning double or single homes, are in very much demand in fact were millions short,maybe i misunderstood 

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Building activity will happen when there is a demand for it. The overall market is soft with developers are sitting on thousands of unsold new construction units....primarily Toronto and Vancouver condos.  When the demand is there new homes will be built to meet that demand.

 

[LinkSoul60]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

No one was talking about it during biden, but then again the show was a liberal one..., and yet every party was talking about it during trumps rien...we do alot of that in Canada talk the sh!t out of things then forget about them...

Yes, the show has been and will likely continue to be a liberal.  I don't recall a lot of conversation about the critical urgency to diversify our trade away from the US though....  Hindsight is great and doubt if we'd had a conservative government anything would be different in regards to our trade with the US.  

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Market is soft for condos and apartments, homes meaning double or single homes, are in very much demand in fact were millions short,maybe i misunderstood 

Depending on which market you're in....  I live in Vancouver and SF home sales are down YOY.  There is a want/need for more housing but developers/builders are not going to get active until the demand is there.  I agree though.... we (and the US) are significantly lacking in housing availability. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

More BS from you. Your link is just a repeat of what I posted (and even an official government web page) So glad you finally see that I was right

 

LOLOL it was posted in response to YOUR repeats and you're arguing that because they're official gov't stats that they're wrong?!?! 

ROFLMAO!!!! You've really gone off the deep end kiddo   Just to clarify, my official govt stats which prove i'm right beat your ultra left wing think tank opinion pieces  

The rest of yours looks like.... a repeat! LOLOLOL

Sorry for your bad luck kid, but you pretty much shat the bed there