Why Are We Doing This U.S. Vs. Canada Thing?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

It’s no secret Canucks think of themselves as somehow a morally superior version of the Americans.

And better educated.  And better looking. And healthier.  And smarter.  And our political system is better. And we're better at hockey. 

Sorry... what were we talking about again?

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry... what were we talking about again?

How much Canucks likes goverment handouts and bumming off NATO. See this is where Donnie got it right, Americans want a paycheck not a wellfare handout. Guess we're different after all Canada. 

Edited August 12, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

How much Canucks likes handouts and bumming off NATO. See this is where Donnie got it right, Americans want a paycheck not a wellfare handout. Guess we're different after all Canada. 

America totally wants a handout.  You pick all the fights, we pay all the bills. Look at how much the allies have spent fighting YOUR wars over the last 30 years, it's more than you have. 

And that's when we're not letting you set up listening stations and missile tracking in our arctic, or hauling your people out of iran when you guys screw up and lose the consulate. 

What year did ww2, the big fight against the biggest threat we've ever seen, start for you lazy turds? Bet you say 1941 but the rest of us were fighting for freedom in 39. 

You train and arm a group in afghanistan called "al qaeda" to pick a fight with the russians. Then they turn on you, blow up YOUR buildings and eeeeverybody's got to drop what they're doing and rush to help bail YOUR sorry asses out of yet another mess YOU caused. 

And that's when you're not suckering the allies into a war over 'weapons of mass destruction' that never existed. 

All you want is handouts.  It's pathetic. 

[Venandi]

14 hours ago, paxamericana said:

....but now that America is in a period of no more forever war, we're looking at you real close

Is that because you're anxious for another one?

I've attended a few of your parties but they were mostly held in small hot countries.... maybe you'll have better luck with a big cold one eh?

Don't forget to pack the Cheezies. 

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

17 hours ago, paxamericana said:

No, this is basically saying you only work on jobs that looks good infront of the camera. That only works when America is pre-occupied with doing the hardwork like fending off the Soviets or stabilising the Middle East but now that America is in a period of no more forever war, we're looking at you real close Canada. And you've been found wanting. 

Ironically this is the same thing Ottawa and Quebec pull on Alberta with the climate pledges. I now see how Canucks hone in their charlatan theatrical skill set. There's no where to run to Canada. America is looking at you real close. 

Trump and many Americans are simply looking to sell arms and gain access to resources in other countries, same as it ever was.  The Soviets did it too.  Canada has spent considerable resources supporting allies’ causes, especially Britain and the U.S.‘s causes.  Some of this has been for the benefit of Canada or humanity in general. Some of it hasn’t.  The First World War, Boer War, etc. Were these of great moral purpose?  Did these help Canadians? How many U.S. led initiatives have we gotten embroiled in?

Canada has made massive military contributions when it really mattered, like in WW2.  In Afghanistan Canadians were in a very dangerous part of the country, trained police, etc.  We sent significant aid after the tsunami and Haiti natural disaster.  We have taken a disproportionately high number of refugees.  How much of that is “counted” towards making the world more safe and secure?  I experienced first hand the waves of Syrian and Ukrainian refugees in my profession.

So no, the deadbeat argument will only get you so far. That was specifically about NATO military contributions, and it turns out Canada doesn’t count its coast guard and some other infrastructure in its military accounts like other countries.  We’re upping our military spending.  Trump keeps moving the goalposts though, so we best not get swept up in supporting the U.S. military industrial welfare complex.

On the climate front, I don’t disagree that Canada isn’t unified in its approach to resource development and climate change, but either is the U.S. The reality is that these are complex issues without easy answers.  How much of a blank cheque do you give the oil and gas sector?  Is climate change something we can and should address through public policy, and if so, what kinds of policies? Doing nothing isn’t a strategy and some policy and regulation is essential, not just for the environment but the sustainability of the resource sector.

Edited August 12, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada has spent considerable resources supporting allies

Mmmhmmm. Don’t pray in public too hard now.

[Zeitgeist]

16 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Mmmhmmm. Don’t pray in public too hard now.

And for what, to get sucker-punched by our “friends”?

[paxamericana]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

And for what, to get sucker-punched by our “friends”?

Canada is breaking apart. Best you get your 51st application ready. If all it took was for Orange man to blow a 35% smoke for the House of Cards Canada to fall, then you really should of never been a country to begin with. You're a state, give it up.

Edited August 12, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

17 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Canada is breaking apart. Best you get your 51st application ready. If all it took was for Orange man to blow a 35% smoke for the House of Cards Canada to fall, then you really should have never been a country to begin with. You're a state, give it up.

We’ll be fine. Good luck with the shakedown.

[paxamericana]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We’ll be fine. Good luck with the shakedown.

See you in State Canada. I’ll buy a few parcel of land when we’re all one big happy family.

Edited August 12, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

33 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

See you in State Canada. I’ll buy a few parcel of land when we’re all one big happy family.

God save the King.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Canada is breaking apart. Best you get your 51st application ready. If all it took was for Orange man to blow a 35% smoke for the House of Cards Canada to fall, then you really should of never been a country to begin with. You're a state, give it up.

Now we'll just join Europe. They're a lot more emotionally stable in you guys

[Legato]

4 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Canada is breaking apart. Best you get your 51st application ready. If all it took was for Orange man to blow a 35% smoke for the House of Cards Canada to fall, then you really should of never been a country to begin with. You're a state, give it up.

If you guy's try anything we will just call out our Wolverines.

All of Canada's poutine swamps are disguised as apple pies.

You wouldn't have a chance.

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, Legato said:

You wouldn't have a chance.

How does Poutine hold against lower taxes and access to american dollars? Better growth, better gdp, better everything.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

How does Poutine hold against lower taxes and access to american dollars? Better growth, better gdp, better everything.

Pretty good. I mean have you ever had proper poutine? You're going to have to have your bid kiddo

[SpankyMcFarland]

Why are ‘we’ doing this? Ask them. We didn’t start this. 

[paxamericana]

On 8/12/2025 at 9:21 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Why are ‘we’ doing this? Ask them. We didn’t start this. 

Because your patchwork of hatred is a failed experiment. America has no interest in subsidizing Canadian sovereignty. The United States have always viewed Canada as a unincorporated territory of America. We see the British Empire as our rightful inheritance. Meaning New Zealand, Austrailia, Great Britain and Canada are part of the American comonwealth.  

Edited August 14, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Because your patchwork of hatred is a failed experiment. America has no interest in subsidizing Canadian sovereignty.

Cool, stop buying our stuff

Oh you can't. Turns out you actually need our power, you need our minerals and our oil, you need a bunch of our products too.

And it turns out we're your best customers on the entire planet. Canada is your number one trading partner. In fact if you take energy out of the equation we have a significant trade deficit with you.

We know trump's bluster for what it is. He talks stuff but the reality is and the end of the day America needs Canada for a wide number of reasons

[paxamericana]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

America needs Canada for a wide number of reasons

Look, If Canada breaks up, America just can’t allow a bunch of tiny failed state to border it. There will be an even stronger push to absorb all these provinces. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Look, If Canada breaks up, America just can’t allow a bunch of tiny failed state to border it.

Sure can. But like I say I don't think it would be long before either the western province is banded together or we would see some species of sovereignty association or we would just join the EU.

There's nothing America can do about it. And the more they try the more they push us into someone else's pocket and that's the last thing America needs

 

[Zeitgeist]

All this grandstanding is a waste of time, money, and opportunity.  Both Canada and the U.S. should embrace the complete free movement of goods, services, and citizens/labour between the two countries.  If supply management, protecting the Bell and Rogers duopoly, or protecting all of these departments and policies that duplicate U.S. policies and add red tape are what are preventing the citizens of both countries from enjoying better opportunities, I think it’s well worth scrapping most of it.

Both sides need to sit down and forge a bold vision of economic union.  Leave Canadian sovereignty, healthcare, and the Second Amendment off the table but scrap just about everything else that duplicates US institutions.  Downsize the federal government in Ottawa over time, replacing some of it with an economic union government.

I’m just not sure current leadership in either country is up to the task.  It takes heavy diplomacy and visionaries who can inspire whole populations.  Right now there’s too much coercion and fear. It also must be understood and respected in the U.S. that some things are too important to Canadians to give up.  We know the Americans won’t bend much for Canada.

Edited August 15, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Both Canada and the U.S. should embrace the complete free movement of goods, services, and citizens/labour between the two countries.

Nope gota put a ring on it. Statehood or no dice. 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

we would just join the EU.

mmmmhmmmm, never going to happen. If you think Canada joining the EU an ocean away is going to fix your problem it won't. There's no replacement for America.

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There's nothing America can do about it.

Really, there's nothing the most powerful country on Earth can do about it? Like stopping the Russian from taking Ukraine in 24 hours or crashing the Chinese Economy of 1.4 Billion ? Really???? Nothing at all? 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

western province is banded together or we would see some species of sovereignty association

Best historical example is Texas. Texas remained as a sovereign nation for 9 years before joining the US. I could see a period of sovereignty followed by petition towards statehood. @Zeitgeist

Edited August 15, 2025 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Right now there’s too much coercion and fear.

This is a one sided problem.

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

some things are too important to Canadians to give up

such as? Seriously I can not think of one thing that is different between Canada and America. You can't build an entire mental health system on being non-american and find out that it doesn't exist and was a figment of your imagination?

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Nope gota put a ring on it. Statehood or no dice. 

You just linked to a beyonce video.  Minus 400 man points for you bucko. 

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mmmmhmmmm, never going to happen. If you think Canada joining the EU an ocean away is going to fix your problem it won't. There's no replacement for America.

Absolutely going to happen long before we join the us, and oceans are the reason we have boats.

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Really, there's nothing the most powerful country on Earth can do about it?

Nope.

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Like stopping the Russian from taking Ukraine in 24 hours or crashing the Chinese Economy of 1.4 Billion ? Really???? Nothing at all? 

US didn't do any of that.

And nope. 

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Best historical example is Texas. Texas remained as a sovereign nation for 9 years before joining the US. I could see a period of sovereignty followed by petition towards statehood. @Zeitgeist

Best example is canada.  You tried to invade, the european countries joined in and together we kicked your sorry asses despite you outnubering us greatly and despite there being an ocean between  us and europe, and then we burnt down your white house.  And that was BEFORE we were officially a nation,  and THEN  we formed canada and stayed as part of the BRITISH empire, not the american one.  Now we've stayed our own country aligned with england for over 150 years. 

This ain't the first time you've tried, not really even the second time. The us tried the 'take over canada by tariff' routine around ww1 too, that didn't go well. 

Sorry kid, you're like the guy who thinks he's got a big dick but the girls all laugh about him behind his back. 

[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The us tried the 'take over canada by tariff' routine around ww1 too, that didn't go well. 

Well then, we’re picking back up where our grand dads left it. 
 

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now we've stayed our own country aligned with england for over 150 years. 

Canada is breaking up. The current government is no longer able to keep all the provinces happy. You are a confederation. You already trade more individually with the United States than your selves. Give up the ghost Canucks, it’s time you petition for statehood. You’re not going to be able to stay as a sovereign nation for much longer. You all hate each other and as I’m stating to notice more so than hating the US. Which is more out of fear than hate.