eyeball Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 30 minutes ago, User said: The death tolls I have disputed have been the absurd ones of genocide and hundreds of thousands killed or specific incidents where they claimed Israel blew up a Hospital. Sure kid. On 1/30/2026 at 1:56 PM, User said: The IDF did not do anything. Even the IDF's admission it exaggerated is too much for you people to acknowledge Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 24 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sure kid. Prove him wrong. Post examples of the IDF making these claims that you say they did You guys on the left are sure making an awful lot of statements about how israel always does this and that and strangely you can't find an example!!!!! Why it's almost as if you're lying. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
John Stone Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 8 hours ago, User said: The death tolls I have disputed have been the absurd ones of genocide and hundreds of thousands killed or specific incidents where they claimed Israel blew up a Hospital. Next time, don't support this kind of terrorism from Hamas if you really care about the loss of life that comes with it. The so-called Palestinians want peace fer fk's sake ................... they just want peace without Israel. Israel is now, has been historically and will be going forward, be fighting an existential threat. Consider this, if Israel bordered Afghanistan there would have been no 9/11. How arrogant to criticize their methods ...... they're the experts, the rest of the world are the armchair quarterbacks. Criticizing the Jews for their actions is a bit hypocritical wouldn't you say. My reference would the Bomber Command, 8th Air Force, DRESDEN, introduction of nucs??? Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why the Abraham Accords failed? Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 Now people are denying they denied the death toll: https://x.com/History__Speaks/status/2017048266513187055?s=20 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
eyeball Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: Prove him wrong. Post examples of the IDF making these claims that you say they did Why? He's admitting he's denying he ever denied Hamas was lying. 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: You guys on the left are sure making an awful lot of statements about how israel always does this and that and strangely you can't find an example!!!!! I was pointing at you him and AG as examples of constantly denying the numbers of dead that Hamas reported. But now you seem to be backpeddling and you're supporting Hamas' claims. 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: Why it's almost as if you're lying. You say that about everyone and now you're claiming the IDF's admission is the lie. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 15 hours ago, eyeball said: This is not progress to anyone who's position has been that the death toll was being exaggerated. Yup. Here's three off the top of my head who've constantly disputed the death toll while singing the praises of the new gold standard the IDF has set for urban massacres. CdnFox User Army Guy Feel free to add to the list... None of those are actually the Israeli government So you can't think of one single case of where the Israeli government substantially disputed the numbers, you're just lying to prop up your narrative Ok well sorry that it turned out you were wrong about that but..... Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 This was a big effort: Quote For more than two years of war in Gaza, a dense ecosystem of politicians, military spokespeople, lawyers, pundits and media figures has worked to cast doubt on the scale of Palestinian deaths. Quote From October 2023 onwards, casualty data compiled by the Gaza Health Ministry were dismissed by Israeli officials and supporters as “Hamas propaganda”, “fabricated”, or “wildly exaggerated”. This was despite the ministry using methods long accepted by the United Nations, humanitarian agencies and Western governments in previous conflicts, including name-based registration, ID numbers and hospital records. UN agencies continued to rely on the figures throughout the war. And it wasn’t confined to Israel either: Quote In October 2023, then US president Joe Biden publicly stated he had “no confidence” in the Palestinian numbers. British and American broadcasters routinely caveated Gaza casualty figures in ways not applied to Israeli military claims. Just now, CdnFox said: None of those are actually the Israeli government So you can't think of one single case of where the Israeli government substantially disputed the numbers, you're just lying to prop up your narrative Ok well sorry that it turned out you were wrong about that but..... Just keep it up Sparky. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
eyeball Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 19 minutes ago, CdnFox said: None of those are actually the Israeli government I was addressing your search for examples of supporters. On 1/30/2026 at 4:50 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: The numbers have been constantly disputed by the Israeli govt, IDF and their many supporters as ‘Hamas’ numbers. Supporters would include you. On 1/30/2026 at 5:59 PM, CdnFox said: So where is that then? If it's been constant then you should have no trouble Citing for five examples for example. Let's see that. Unless of course you're full of shit Hence... You, User, Army Guy etc etc etc...there's millions of examples of you people out there. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 Report from ABC that describes an Israeli denial. Quote Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 (edited) America faithfully followed Israel’s lead in this attempt to dispute the mortality figures. https://www.commondreams.org/news/genocide-denial-congress And poor old Joe Biden did not distinguish himself either. Edited February 1 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 From ynetnews, a publication considered centrist by Israeli standards: Quote Throughout the war, Israel cast doubt on the credibility of the casualty figures published by Gaza’s Health Ministry because of Hamas’ control of the government in the Strip. The Foreign Ministry previously said the numbers were manipulated and did not reflect the reality on the ground. “Israel has repeatedly stated that the numbers reported from Gaza and cited by U.N. agencies are manipulated by Hamas, are inaccurate and do not reflect the reality on the ground,” the Foreign Ministry said a little more than six months after the outbreak of the war. “Repeating Hamas propaganda statements without any verification process has repeatedly proven to be methodologically flawed and unprofessional. We call on the international community to apply a greater degree of scrutiny when examining OCHA reports.” https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hk6hmukizl Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
CdnFox Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: America faithfully followed Israel’s lead in this attempt to dispute the mortality figures. https://www.commondreams.org/news/genocide-denial-congress And poor old Joe Biden did not distinguish himself either. So now that you have failed to show that the Israelis disputed the numbers in the slightest you're now switching to Rashida Talib who is claiming that the republicans are bad people but doesn't actually talk about them disputing the numbers at all. Dude you should be deeply ashamed of this kind of pathetic propaganda. Imagine using Rasheeda to leave as your "Unbiased" source 7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: From ynetnews, a publication considered centrist by Israeli standards: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hk6hmukizl Yeah that's just another guy repeating the same bullshit you did without a site. If the government repeatedly did this then post the government repeatingly doing this. There must be a some species of government release or official statement or the like This doesn't even say they disagree with the number just that they wonder if they're being manipulated. Again, you should feel terribly ashamed. This is the kind of nonsense we expect out of some of our lowest posters on this forum Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
John Stone Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 ............ Israel destroyed Iran (Hamas, Hezbollah). We should be grateful - the phrase, 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating', applies. Granted, the Abraham Accords are on the rocks - so a nod to Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah - they did meet their objective. ............. laughable to believe they give a tinker's dam about the so-called Palestinians. And Israel would do it all again - with an even greater response - notwithstanding Iran's nuclear program. The nuclear program is desired by Iran to enable them to have a nuc umbrella while CONTINUING their terrorist agenda. NK and Iran have some similarities in terms of defense strategy - NK has 'it' and Iran 'desires' it. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 The evidence is clear. From very early on in the conflict, Israel knew the Gaza health registry figures were realistic and were probably underestimates, given the number of people buried in the rubble. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 26 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: The evidence is clear. From very early on in the conflict, Israel knew the Gaza health registry figures were realistic and were probably underestimates, given the number of people buried in the rubble. There's really no evidence of that and considering that your claim has already been disproven that israel "denied" The number of casualties it sounds like you're just letting your hatred and bigotry speak for you Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) 18 minutes ago, CdnFox said: There's really no evidence of that and considering that your claim has already been disproven that israel "denied" The number of casualties it sounds like you're just letting your hatred and bigotry speak for you I present facts - you scream racist. Who is the woke warrior here? Quote Israel’s official and unofficial spokespeople are in damage control mode after a senior military official admitted last week that Israel accepts the death toll published by Gaza’s health ministry, which currently stands at more than 70,000. This comes after two years in which Israel and its supporters took every opportunity to disparage and dismiss the health ministry’s figures, arguing that they were overblown or fabricated by Hamas. That prestigious list of repudiators, to name just a few, includes spokespeople for Israel’s government and military, then-US president Joe Biden, US Congress, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) chief Jonathan Greenblatt, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) and any number of talking heads at influential thinktanks and policy centres. Adding credibility to their denials were prominent media outlets around the world that often described Gaza’s health ministry as “Hamas-run”, thereby encouraging readers and viewers to treat the death toll with suspicion. In truth, the reliability of the official death toll should never have been in doubt. For one thing, the UN has independently verified the accuracy of the health ministry’s figures after each of Israel’s previous bombardments of Gaza going back to 2008. For another, the data published by the health ministry since 7 October is extremely detailed: it includes a full name, date of birth, gender and ID number for all victims whose deaths were confirmed either by hospital morgues or by their relatives. Quote Back in January 2024, my colleague Yuval Abraham reported that Israel’s military intelligence agencies had even surveilled health ministry personnel in Gaza to check whether their data was accurate; upon finding that it was, they subsequently began using it in internal intelligence briefings. “In every status briefing, when everyone updates each other on what’s happening, there’s a slide that shows the current number of civilians killed in Gaza. And that’s based almost exclusively on the Hamas health ministry,” an intelligence source told him. Yet still the denials continued, for two whole years. And even now, the Israeli army came out quickly after last week’s reports to claim that “the details published do not reflect official IDF data” – despite Israeli media outlets clearly stating that this is what they were told by a senior official in a private briefing. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/03/israel-gaza-death-toll-accurate-health-ministry Edited February 5 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: I present facts - you scream racist. Who is the woke warrior here? You presented no such thing. The first example you give is just someone's opinion of someone's reaction to a thing that you couldn't prove was ever in doubt. It is exactly the opposite of evidence Your second one is just plain hearsay, (my friend told me that his friend told him,....) and also supports the idea that the Israelis were not denying the numbers. So the only fact here is that you have presented no facts at all to suggest Israel was denying numbers. So what's left over to explain this absolute insistence of yours that Israel was denying the numbers? Based on your other statements it's obvious that it's bigotry and hatred. You have more than once now provided evidence that Israel's account of the numbers we're not substantially different than gases although they clearly questioned whether the information provided by Gaza was factually accurate, and that's not the same as denying the numbers. And I think anybody would have been asking that question You're not dumb enough not to know what a fact is. If this was a post from Robo Smith I might glance over it but you know what a fact is and you know that what you presented is not fact in the slightest. You're being led by your hatred and bigotry instead of fact and reason Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 From the very beginning of this conflict Israeli spokespeople cast doubt on health ministry figures they knew to be substantially true. Here is Lt Col Conricus: https://x.com/jconricus/status/1728806326703157459 The term ‘Hamas run health ministry’ was taken up across the Western media and viewers naturally assumed the figures were wildly inflated. The Israelis knew different. Of course, the problem arose when they came up with hard figures of their own which they generally avoided doing. When they did so, such numbers quickly contradicted each other. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 All through the war the same tactic was used: https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-rejects-exaggerated-hamas-claims-of-people-killed-by-troops-near-gaza-aid-site/ Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) Gaza is tiny and the whole population has been under Chinese-style surveillance by Israel for years. Despite this the IDF couldn’t decide how many terrorists it had killed out of the total deaths. Quote The specific number of militants Israel claims to have killed since October 7 has fluctuated seemingly without any logic. In November 2023, a senior security official implied to Israel’s Ynet news site that Israel had already killed over 10,000 militants. In an official military assessment presented to the government the following month, this number dropped to 7,860. Mysterious jumps and drops in militant casualty numbers continued into 2024. In February of that year, the IDF Spokesperson claimed that Israel had killed 13,000 Hamas operatives, but a week later, the army reported a lower figure of 12,000. By August 2024, the army declaredthat it had killed 17,000 Hamas and PIJ operatives — a number that shrank again two months later to 14,000 killed “with high probability.” In November 2024, Netanyahu put the number “close to 20,000.” https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/ I don’t include the links to news stories in Hebrew. You’re welcome to go after them. Some of them are accessible in the link. Edited February 5 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 Even some of the politicians pressuring the army for good news became suspicious: Quote In April 2024, the right-wing daily Israel Hayom reported that several members of the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee had questioned the reliability of the militant casualty figures presented to them by the army. After examining the army’s own data, the committee members found that the real number was much lower, and that the army had inflated the number of militant casualties “in order to create a 2:1 ratio” between civilian and militant deaths. “We are reporting a lot of Hamas operatives killed, but I think most of the people we report as dead are not really Hamas operatives,” an intelligence source who accompanied forces on the ground told +972, Local Call, and the Guardian. “People are promoted to the rank of terrorist after their death. If I had listened to the brigade, I would have come to the conclusion that we had killed 200 percent of Hamas operatives in the area.” https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/ Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) In summary, the government showed no interest in keeping the mortality statistics above politics: Quote Soon after October 7, Yossi Sariel, then-commander of the army’s elite signals intelligence squad, Unit 8200, began sharing a daily update with his subordinates showing the number of Hamas and PIJ operatives killed in Gaza. The graph, according to three sources familiar with it, was called the “war dashboard” and was presented by Sariel as a measure of the army’s success… …Maj. Gen. (res.) Itzhak Brik, who served for many years as a commander in the Israeli army and later as Ombudsman for Soldiers’ Complaints, explained how this outlook fueled a culture of lying. “They created a measure [whereby] the more you killed, the more you succeeded, and as a result they lied about how many they killed,” he said, describing the numbers presented by the IDF Spokesperson as “one of the most serious bluffs” in Israel’s history. “They lie non-stop — both the military echelon and the political echelon,” Brik added. “In every raid, the IDF Spokesperson’s announcements said: ‘Hundreds of terrorists were killed,’” he continued. “It’s true that hundreds were killed, but they weren’t terrorists. There is absolutely no connection between the numbers they announce and what is actually happening.” While speaking to soldiers whose job was to examine and identify the bodies of people the army kills in Gaza, he said they told him: “Everyone the army says it killed, most of them are [civilians]. Period.” https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/ So the health registry totals were constantly rubbished while the number of Hamas and IJ personnel killed was exaggerated. Edited February 5 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
ironstone Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 58 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: So the health registry totals were constantly rubbished while the number of Hamas and IJ personnel killed was exaggerated. Casualty figures are always disputed by opposing sides in wars. In this war, it's a price that Hamas was happy to pay since they always win in the court of public opinion when Israel is involved. It was urban warfare against a terrorist group notorious for their use of human shields and their usual tactic of operating out of hospitals, schools, mosques etc. This lengthy conflict received a massive amount of news coverage, which was mainly pro-'Palestinian' and anti-Israel. Meanwhile, some estimates have the number of casualties caused by the Iranian regime at over 30,000 in a much shorter period of time, but not as much news coverage or the same level of outrage as was against Israel. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
CdnFox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: From the very beginning of this conflict Israeli spokespeople cast doubt on health ministry figures they knew to be substantially true. Here is Lt Col Conricus: https://x.com/jconricus/status/1728806326703157459 The term ‘Hamas run health ministry’ was taken up across the Western media and viewers naturally assumed the figures were wildly inflated. The Israelis knew different. Of course, the problem arose when they came up with hard figures of their own which they generally avoided doing. When they did so, such numbers quickly contradicted each other. Again - not a single scrap of any evidence there. When did it contradict? What day was that? What were the numbers? What did they actually say? NOTHING. this is garbage propaganda. it's worse than useless and you should be mildly embarrassed for having put it forward as any kind of 'proof'. Even "Cast doubt"... what the hell does that mean? "We're not sure the hamas numbers are entirely accuate". Entirely fair statement and casts doubt but does NOT refute the numbers. Hatred and bigotry my friend - it's a very negative thing that clouds the judgement of even intelligent men. Edited February 5 by CdnFox Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Again - not a single scrap of any evidence there. When did it contradict? What day was that? What were the numbers? What did they actually say? NOTHING. this is garbage propaganda. it's worse than useless and you should be mildly embarrassed for having put it forward as any kind of 'proof'. Even "Cast doubt"... what the hell does that mean? "We're not sure the hamas numbers are entirely accuate". Entirely fair statement and casts doubt but does NOT refute the numbers. Hatred and bigotry my friend - it's a very negative thing that clouds the judgement of even intelligent men. You have shown yourself utterly immune to evidence on multiple occasions here. However, I will continue to post in this topic. Not everyone made their minds up years ago. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
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