ICE detains a U.S. citizen in L.A. and charges her with obstructing an arrest

[Deluge]

Well, there you have it. Velez thought she could take the law into her own hands, and found out. 

They need to prosecute that stoopid b*tch to the fullest extent of the law. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-detained-us-citizen-l-charged-obstructing-arrest-rcna215481

[Nationalist]

She got what she asked for.

[blackbird]

"

That morning, just minutes before, her mother had dropped her off at work on 9th and Main, downtown L.A. And as she exited the vehicle, she walked three, four steps onto the sidewalk, and suddenly there was a swarm of vehicles surrounding her. So, as she’s kind of getting her bearings what’s going on, she sees vendors over to her right, and she assumes, “OK, this must be — maybe it’s a raid. I don’t know.” She sees men approaching them. But she looks to her left, and she sees an ICE agent about 10 feet away, running full speed at her, and becomes terrified. She’s 4’11”. This is a man who, in her estimation, is over six feet. He’s masked. And he does not stop. So she becomes — she gets scared, and her reaction is to cover and block herself to protect herself, and she’s thrown to the ground.

The ICE agent continues on for about another 10, 15 seconds to get their target, and then returns and tells her she’s under arrest for what she describes as interfering. She gets put into a vehicle, a van, an unmarked van, and she’s in handcuffs. And while she’s waiting, she sees the officer, so she walks over to the officer and asks if he would help her. She doesn’t know who these men are. And that’s when you see the ICE agent pick her up and take her back to the unmarked van.

AMY GOODMAN: Why was she picked up, Dominique?

DOMINIQUE BOUBION: She — physically picked up, or why was she arrested?

AMY GOODMAN: Arrested.

DOMINIQUE BOUBION: So, what she is being charged with is assault on a peace officer. So, the version of the story that the federal agent is putting forth is that Andrea Velez purposefully walked into his path in order to protect whoever their target was, and knocked that ICE agent off balance and hit him in the head. It’s a complete fabrication, didn’t happen. And it, I believe, is more of a, number one, racial profiling. They were speaking to her in Spanish, even though she was demonstrating that she was — could speak fluent English and that she was a U.S. citizen. And I think it was a matter of “Let’s see if she is a U.S. citizen. And if she is, then we’ll slap on these charges.” It’s an issue of — it’s arrest now, ask questions later.

AMY GOODMAN: So, straight-up racial profiling?

DOMINIQUE BOUBION: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Andrea Velez has — she’s a darker-skinned Latino. And 100%, I believe that this was racial profiling.

AMY GOODMAN: We have to leave it there. We’ll continue to follow this case, Dominique Boubion, one of the attorneys helping to represent Andrea Velez, a U.S. citizen arrested by ICE. I’m Amy Goodman. Thanks so much for joining us.  "

“Arrest Now, Ask Questions Later”: Why Did L.A. ICE Agents Arrest and Jail U.S. Citizen Andrea Velez? | Democracy Now!

[User]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

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More spam...

[blackbird]

Another story on this gives this report:

"

A U.S. citizen is speaking out after she said she was wrongfully detained by immigration agents in downtown Los Angeles.

On June 24, Andrea Velez, 32, was being dropped off at work by her family near 9th and Spring Streets.

She had just stepped out of the car when suddenly, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents surrounded her, forced her to the ground and placed her in handcuffs. 

“I was just going to work and everything happened so fast,” she recalled. “They didn’t identify themselves, so I was scared.”

Her family was nearby when they witnessed Velez being tackled to the ground. Video from the frantic scene showed a large crowd of bystanders gathered at the site as officers took Velez and others away.

According to the family’s attorney, when Velez’s mother and sister saw two masked men attempting to take her as she was walking, they immediately called the police. 

Andrea Velez, 32, a U.S. citizen and South L.A. native, was suddenly forced to the ground and detained by immigration agents while she was walking to work in downtown Los Angeles on June 24, 2025. (KTLA)

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents were seen detaining people in a downtown Los Angeles raid on June 24, 2025. (@uniondelbarrio)

LAPD officers responded to the scene and, instead of helping Velez, her family claims they formed a human shield to prevent onlookers from recording and voicing their concerns over the activity.

“I have a couple of bruises on my body,” Velez said. “One of [the agents] pushed me to the ground.”

Witnesses claimed the agents never asked anyone for ID or proof of citizenship, nor did they present identification of their own.

Video from bystanders showed an agent placing Velez into an unmarked SUV before she was driven away. For 24 hours, her family couldn’t contact or locate her until videos of the raid began to surface on social media. 

Her family’s attorney eventually tracked her down. With the help of her family, community advocates and lawyers, she was eventually released on Wednesday night.

Velez, a South L.A. native, is a marketing designer and Cal Poly Pomona graduate. Her family said they are beyond stunned by the incident. 

ICE officials claimed Velez was arrested for assaulting an agent and had tried to prevent them from arresting the person they were actually targeting. Gregory Russell, Velez’s attorney, refutes those claims.

“They’re alleging Ms. Velez assaulted an ICE officer,” Russell said. “Now imagine this — you’re just dropped off at work. You’re walking on the sidewalk and a 6-foot man in full armor and weapons, with his face shielded, starts charging at you. And that’s what she experienced. Now, who committed the assault here?”

Velez said she had feared for her life when she was suddenly grabbed by the agents. She believes ICE was targeting other Latino and Hispanic people around her at the time, but she didn’t realize what was happening until she was questioned later on. 

“They were just telling me that I was being arrested for interfering or resisting arrest,” she said. “I don’t think I was. I was just resisting because I didn’t know where I was going to end up or who was taking me.”

Velez said the ordeal has left her and her family frightened and shaken up. She said she was simply walking to work and had done nothing to warrant the violent treatment she endured.

“I’m Latina, so I’m pretty sure I was racially profiled,” she said.

KTLA has reached out to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement for clarification on Velez’s case and whether she will be facing any charges and is awaiting a response."

U.S. citizen detained by ICE agents in downtown Los Angeles speaks out

So was she really obstructing an arrest as Deluge claims or did she just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time on her way to work?  Seems kind of strange that anyone would think a woman 4 ft 11 inches tall and by herself would wilfully step in and try to stop an arrest by a number of armed ICE officers.

[User]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

So was she really obstructing an arrest as Deluge claims or did she just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time on her way to work? 

Deluge is not claiming anything. The Law Enforcement Officers there were. Deluge is just sharing the news on this. 

 

[blackbird]

18 hours ago, Nationalist said:

She got what she asked for.

What for?  She denies she did anything wrong?  Read the reports before making such a ridiculous statement.

 

Edited July 4, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, User said:

Deluge is not claiming anything. The Law Enforcement Officers there were. Deluge is just sharing the news on this. 

 

Seems you didn't read the ridiculous statement Deluge made.  Of course you follow his extreme hate ideology so what could we expect you to say.  All he and you had to do was read a couple articles that I found easily on a search.  But you don't because you are extremely biased against the truth.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

What for?  She denies she did anything wrong?  Read the reports before making such a ridiculous statement.

 

Ya...SHE denies doing anything wrong.

[Deluge]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

"

That morning, just minutes before, her mother had dropped her off at work on 9th and Main, downtown L.A. And as she exited the vehicle, she walked three, four steps onto the sidewalk, and suddenly there was a swarm of vehicles surrounding her. So, as she’s kind of getting her bearings what’s going on, she sees vendors over to her right, and she assumes, “OK, this must be — maybe it’s a raid. I don’t know.” She sees men approaching them. But she looks to her left, and she sees an ICE agent about 10 feet away, running full speed at her, and becomes terrified. She’s 4’11”. This is a man who, in her estimation, is over six feet. He’s masked. And he does not stop. So she becomes — she gets scared, and her reaction is to cover and block herself to protect herself, and she’s thrown to the ground.

The ICE agent continues on for about another 10, 15 seconds to get their target, and then returns and tells her she’s under arrest for what she describes as interfering. She gets put into a vehicle, a van, an unmarked van, and she’s in handcuffs. And while she’s waiting, she sees the officer, so she walks over to the officer and asks if he would help her. She doesn’t know who these men are. And that’s when you see the ICE agent pick her up and take her back to the unmarked van.

AMY GOODMAN: Why was she picked up, Dominique?

DOMINIQUE BOUBION: She — physically picked up, or why was she arrested?

AMY GOODMAN: Arrested.

DOMINIQUE BOUBION: So, what she is being charged with is assault on a peace officer. So, the version of the story that the federal agent is putting forth is that Andrea Velez purposefully walked into his path in order to protect whoever their target was, and knocked that ICE agent off balance and hit him in the head. It’s a complete fabrication, didn’t happen. And it, I believe, is more of a, number one, racial profiling. They were speaking to her in Spanish, even though she was demonstrating that she was — could speak fluent English and that she was a U.S. citizen. And I think it was a matter of “Let’s see if she is a U.S. citizen. And if she is, then we’ll slap on these charges.” It’s an issue of — it’s arrest now, ask questions later.

AMY GOODMAN: So, straight-up racial profiling?

DOMINIQUE BOUBION: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Andrea Velez has — she’s a darker-skinned Latino. And 100%, I believe that this was racial profiling.

AMY GOODMAN: We have to leave it there. We’ll continue to follow this case, Dominique Boubion, one of the attorneys helping to represent Andrea Velez, a U.S. citizen arrested by ICE. I’m Amy Goodman. Thanks so much for joining us.  "

“Arrest Now, Ask Questions Later”: Why Did L.A. ICE Agents Arrest and Jail U.S. Citizen Andrea Velez? | Democracy Now!

Smells like bullshit. 

This is how it most likely went down: 

"Hey, what the f*ck do you think you're doing? That person didn't do anything! What's your badge number? Who's your supervisor?!? Get the f*ck out of my way, PIG!". 

 

[Deluge]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

Another story on this gives this report:

"

A U.S. citizen is speaking out after she said she was wrongfully detained by immigration agents in downtown Los Angeles.

On June 24, Andrea Velez, 32, was being dropped off at work by her family near 9th and Spring Streets.

She had just stepped out of the car when suddenly, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents surrounded her, forced her to the ground and placed her in handcuffs. 

“I was just going to work and everything happened so fast,” she recalled. “They didn’t identify themselves, so I was scared.”

Her family was nearby when they witnessed Velez being tackled to the ground. Video from the frantic scene showed a large crowd of bystanders gathered at the site as officers took Velez and others away.

According to the family’s attorney, when Velez’s mother and sister saw two masked men attempting to take her as she was walking, they immediately called the police. 

Andrea Velez, 32, a U.S. citizen and South L.A. native, was suddenly forced to the ground and detained by immigration agents while she was walking to work in downtown Los Angeles on June 24, 2025. (KTLA)

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents were seen detaining people in a downtown Los Angeles raid on June 24, 2025. (@uniondelbarrio)

LAPD officers responded to the scene and, instead of helping Velez, her family claims they formed a human shield to prevent onlookers from recording and voicing their concerns over the activity.

“I have a couple of bruises on my body,” Velez said. “One of [the agents] pushed me to the ground.”

Witnesses claimed the agents never asked anyone for ID or proof of citizenship, nor did they present identification of their own.

Video from bystanders showed an agent placing Velez into an unmarked SUV before she was driven away. For 24 hours, her family couldn’t contact or locate her until videos of the raid began to surface on social media. 

Her family’s attorney eventually tracked her down. With the help of her family, community advocates and lawyers, she was eventually released on Wednesday night.

Velez, a South L.A. native, is a marketing designer and Cal Poly Pomona graduate. Her family said they are beyond stunned by the incident. 

ICE officials claimed Velez was arrested for assaulting an agent and had tried to prevent them from arresting the person they were actually targeting. Gregory Russell, Velez’s attorney, refutes those claims.

“They’re alleging Ms. Velez assaulted an ICE officer,” Russell said. “Now imagine this — you’re just dropped off at work. You’re walking on the sidewalk and a 6-foot man in full armor and weapons, with his face shielded, starts charging at you. And that’s what she experienced. Now, who committed the assault here?”

Velez said she had feared for her life when she was suddenly grabbed by the agents. She believes ICE was targeting other Latino and Hispanic people around her at the time, but she didn’t realize what was happening until she was questioned later on. 

“They were just telling me that I was being arrested for interfering or resisting arrest,” she said. “I don’t think I was. I was just resisting because I didn’t know where I was going to end up or who was taking me.”

Velez said the ordeal has left her and her family frightened and shaken up. She said she was simply walking to work and had done nothing to warrant the violent treatment she endured.

“I’m Latina, so I’m pretty sure I was racially profiled,” she said.

KTLA has reached out to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement for clarification on Velez’s case and whether she will be facing any charges and is awaiting a response."

U.S. citizen detained by ICE agents in downtown Los Angeles speaks out

So was she really obstructing an arrest as Deluge claims or did she just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time on her way to work?  Seems kind of strange that anyone would think a woman 4 ft 11 inches tall and by herself would wilfully step in and try to stop an arrest by a number of armed ICE officers.

She's probably speaking out bullshit. Best thing for her to do is stay away from hot zones. 

Edited July 4, 2025 by Deluge

[User]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Seems you didn't read the ridiculous statement Deluge made.  Of course you follow his extreme hate ideology so what could we expect you to say.  All he and you had to do was read a couple articles that I found easily on a search.  But you don't because you are extremely biased against the truth.

Of course, you support people breaking the law to interfere with ICE deportations because you also support illegal immigrants breaking the law to be here illegally. 

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

Of course, you support people breaking the law to interfere with ICE deportations because you also support illegal immigrants breaking the law to be here illegally. 

 

 

1 hour ago, User said:

Of course, you support people breaking the law to interfere with ICE deportations because you also support illegal immigrants breaking the law to be here illegally. 

 

If you had read the article, you would have seen that her denial that she did anything wrong is quite credible.  Your automatic condemnation of her shows you have no ability to reason or use common sense.  Are you some kind of god that you can know what happened when you were not there?  Sounds like it.

Your comments are completely irrational and unreasonable, similar to Deluge who has no mental ability to reason or speak other than throw out foul language. 

Edited July 4, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If you had read the article, you would have seen that her denial that she did anything wrong is quite credible. 

Credible... based on what? 

The mere fact that she denied it doesn't make it credible. 

 

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your comments are completely irrational and unreasonable, similar to Deluge who has no mental ability to reason or speak other than throw out foul language. 

You consistently have defended and supported this lawlessness. It is no surprise you continue to do so. 

[gatomontes99]

This is going to turn out to be one of two things:

1. She intentionally impeded an officer and got arrested

2. The officer was wrong

If it's 1, the left will forget it ever happened. If it is 2, the left will try to hang a single mistake around every officers' neck and use that as justification to allow people to violate immigration law. 

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, User said:

Credible... based on what? 

The mere fact that she denied it doesn't make it credible. 

 

You consistently have defended and supported this lawlessness. It is no surprise you continue to do so. 

You consistently lie when you don't have any idea what happened.  If you had read the article you would know she was dropped off on her way to work and was immediately approached by two masked men, who didn't identify themselves and forced her to the ground.

[User]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You consistently lie when you don't have any idea what happened.  If you had read the article you would know she was dropped off on her way to work and was immediately approached by two masked men, who didn't identify themselves and forced her to the ground.

What was the lie I said in this thread? You can't even name that, and you sit here saying I lie consistently. 

That is HER claim, yes, but that is not the ONLY claim nor does that make hers credible just because she made it and you say so. 

 

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, User said:

Of course, you support people breaking the law to interfere with ICE deportations because you also support illegal immigrants breaking the law to be here illegally. 

If you want examples of lies, there are two right there.   

I don't support people breaking the law.  The lie is you saying I do and also you assuming she is guilty when it has not been proven.  The accepted human right is innocent until proven guilty.  If what she and her attorneys are saying is true, she is innocent.

You also lie when you say I support illegal immigrants breaking the law.   I support someone trying to save their own life and their family's lives and don't see refugees as "breaking the law" if they have life saving reasons for migrating.  You don't allow for humanitarianism and instead constantly lie.

Edited July 5, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You also lie when you say I support illegal immigrants breaking the law.   I support someone trying to save their own life and their family's lives and don't see refugees as "breaking the law" if they have life saving reasons for migrating.  You don't allow for humanitarianism and instead constantly lie.

LOL, you just lied about not lying. 

You do in fact support illegal immigrants breaking the law. I am no liar. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you want examples of lies, there are two right there.   

I don't support people breaking the law.  The lie is you saying I do and also you assuming she is guilty when it has not been proven.  The accepted human right is innocent until proven guilty.  If what she and her attorneys are saying is true, she is innocent.

You also lie when you say I support illegal immigrants breaking the law.   I support someone trying to save their own life and their family's lives and don't see refugees as "breaking the law" if they have life saving reasons for migrating.  You don't allow for humanitarianism and instead constantly lie.

Dude, you just kind of admitted to lying. 

You do in fact support people breaking the law and specifically illegal immigrants breaking the law. The fact that in your opinion they're trying to save their own life is why you think it's okay or excusable for them to break the law, and why you support it. But they are still breaking the law and you still support them in that activity

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You do in fact support people breaking the law and specifically illegal immigrants breaking the law.

 

6 hours ago, User said:

LOL, you just lied about not lying. 

Technically, they may be breaking a U.S. law. But that law nullified or over-ridden by the U.N. Refugee Convention.    

If one's life is in danger or his family's life, he has the right to do whatever is necessary to protect their lives. 

The Trump admin has been breaking International U.N. law and possibly committing crimes against humanity in sending undocumented migrants to the CECOT torture-death prison in El Salvador.  What have you said against that being done?  Isn't it hypocritical to accuse me of supporting  illegal migrants while ignoring the U.N. Convention on Refugees?

User is doing the same thing.  He ignores the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Refugees and accuses me of lying.  Sorry, the U.N. Convention supercedes any U.S. law about illegal migrants and makes it illegal to deport refugees arbitrarily.

There are reports that the Trump admin is planning to send undocumented migrants to Sudan now.  That also would be a war crime as it may lead to torture and death also and against the U.N. Convention protecting migrants.  How do you square that circle?

When a government acts against international law and against the safety of people, anyone has the moral right to point that out and defend the victims.   Refugees have a right to protect themselves and their family's safety.  That over-rides anything else and is supported by the U.N. Refugee Convention.

quote

It defines what a refugee is, what rights they have and what obligations states have to them when they arrive.

According to the convention, a refugee is "someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion".

With the development of international human rights law, the convention says it should now be applied "without discrimination as to sex, age, disability, sexuality, or other prohibited grounds of discrimination".  unquote

What does the UN 1951 Refugee Convention say – and can you change it? | UK News | Sky News

quote

The U.N. Charter and the 1951 Refugee Convention affirm the human rights of refugees, which include:

Definition of Refugees: The 1951 Convention provides a universal definition of a refugee and outlines their legal rights and protections1.

Rights and Duties: Refugees have specific rights that their host country is responsible for guaranteeing, as outlined in the Refugee Convention and human rights treaties2.

Core Principles: The Convention emphasizes principles such as non-discrimination, non-penalization, and non-refoulement, ensuring that refugees are treated fairly and with dignity3.

Universal Human Rights: The U.N. Charter and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights affirm that all individuals, including refugees, have the right to fundamental freedoms without discrimination4.

Commitment to Rights: The New York Declaration reaffirms the commitment to protect the human rights of all refugees and migrants5.

These principles collectively ensure that refugees are recognized as individuals entitled to human rights and protections.

unquote

The 1951 Refugee Convention | UNHCR

Very clearly this nullifies the U.S. Trump admin claims that these are illegal aliens who they can deport arbitrarily.  It also nullifies your and Users' argument against defending undocumented migrants in general.

 

Edited July 5, 2025 by blackbird

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Technically, they may be breaking a U.S. law. But that law nullified or over-ridden by the U.N. Refugee Convention.    

The UN CANNOT override US law. Full stop 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

The UN CANNOT override US law. Full stop 

I've got news for you.

quote

Yes, U.N. conventions can overrule a country's law. The United Nations Charter establishes that the organization aims to maintain justice and respect for obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law. This means that when a U.N. convention is ratified by a country, it can override national laws that conflict with those conventions, as the U.N. system is designed to promote international law and resolve disputes peacefully³

 

United Nations Charter (full text) | United Nations

"

United Nations Charter (full text)

Preamble

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED

to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and

to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and

to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and

to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

AND FOR THESE ENDS

to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and

to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and

to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and

to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,

HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS.

Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations.

Chapter I: Purposes and Principles

Article 1

The Purposes of the United Nations are:

To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

Article 2

The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.

All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.

The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll."

______________________

We know in reality, there are superpowers in the world such as Russia, China, and the U.S. which can veto decisions that the U.N. make.  But they cannot hide from and refuse to follow the basic principles and conventions the U.N. has adopted without being seen as doing so.  When member nations who agreed to the basic principles and respect for human rights turn around and ignore them, they are disrespecting the established international order and human rights.   

[Nationalist]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I've got news for you.

quote

Yes, U.N. conventions can overrule a country's law. The United Nations Charter establishes that the organization aims to maintain justice and respect for obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law. This means that when a U.N. convention is ratified by a country, it can override national laws that conflict with those conventions, as the U.N. system is designed to promote international law and resolve disputes peacefully³

 

United Nations Charter (full text) | United Nations

"

United Nations Charter (full text)

Preamble

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED

to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and

to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and

to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and

to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

AND FOR THESE ENDS

to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and

to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and

to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and

to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,

HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS.

Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations.

Chapter I: Purposes and Principles

Article 1

The Purposes of the United Nations are:

To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;

To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and

To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

Article 2

The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.

All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.

All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.

The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll."

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We know in reality, there are superpowers in the world such as Russia, China, and the U.S. which can veto decisions that the U.N. make.  But they cannot hide from and refuse to follow the basic principles and conventions the U.N. has adopted without being seen as doing so.  When member nations who agreed to the basic principles and respect for human rights turn around and ignore them, they are disrespecting the established international order and human rights.   

I got news for you.

This biatch will be prosecuted. 

The illegals will continue to be rounded up and deported.

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

 

If you had read the article, you would have seen that her denial that she did anything wrong is quite credible.  Your automatic condemnation of her shows you have no ability to reason or use common sense.  Are you some kind of god that you can know what happened when you were not there?  Sounds like it.

Your comments are completely irrational and unreasonable, similar to Deluge who has no mental ability to reason or speak other than throw out foul language. 

ICE isn't going to advance on someone for just going into work. The silly b*tch must have done something to provoke the agents. It's the only logical explanation.