Deporting anyone to Sudan or Libya is unbelievably inhumane and barbaric

[Legato]

48 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The truth is the white invaders from Europe STOLE that land from the native Americans.

If you can't understand that, it's because you are BLIND. Like I said arguing for CULTURAL DOMINENCE. AKA NOT JUSTICE.

How come, did the natives call themselves Americans?

The natives have never owned any land, that's a European concept from the way back when.

and

If they did who did they steal it from?

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The truth is the white invaders from Europe STOLE that land from the native Americans.

If you can't understand that, it's because you are BLIND. Like I said arguing for CULTURAL DOMINENCE. AKA NOT JUSTICE.

If that were true there would be no problem today. We would own the land by right of conquest, something still to this day recognized internationally. The first nations would have no rights at all

The problem is that they didn't steal the land, especially in Canada.

[Aristides]

51 minutes ago, User said:

Why? Miller is not here illegally. 

If folks don't want to be deported there, they can take control of their own destiny today by using the CBP App!

He is a white supremacist scumbag. The people he deported to Sudan aren’t Sudanese either so why not ship the Ahole to somewhere he has never been, that’s what he is doing to others. You can join him awhile you are at it.

[Aristides]

55 minutes ago, User said:

Why? Miller is not here illegally. 

If folks don't want to be deported there, they can take control of their own destiny today by using the CBP App!

Why don’t you obey the law and not ship people to third party countries.

These creeps are destroying your country’s reputation and everything it claimed to stand for. 

[User]

20 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He is a white supremacist scumbag. The people he deported to Sudan aren’t Sudanese either so why not ship the Ahole to somewhere he has never been, that’s what he is doing to others. You can join him awhile you are at it.

You must have missed the part about him not being here illegally. 

Im not here illegally either. 

17 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Why don’t you obey the law and not ship people to third party countries.

These creeps are destroying your country’s reputation and everything it claimed to stand for. 

What law is being violated?

If you think a countries reputation is built on open borders/illegal immigration, go push your own country to have no limits and how many illegal immigrants are you harboring? 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

How come, did the natives call themselves Americans?

The natives have never owned any land, that's a European concept from the way back when.

and

If they did who did they steal it from?

FFS do you actually believe they called themselves American’s? At least Canada is a bastardization of what some of them used to call eastern Canada. 
 

America come from the first name of an Italian explorer. Who by the way, never saw what became the United States.

Edited Tuesday at 03:41 AM by Aristides

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

How come, did the natives call themselves Americans?

The natives have never owned any land, that's a European concept from the way back when.

and

If they did who did they steal it from?

They occupied the land for thousands of years. You know, like homesteading.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

They occupied the land for thousands of years. You know, like homesteading.

So they're settlers.

[User]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

They occupied the land for thousands of years. You know, like homesteading.

Who is this “they?”

Native Americans were comprised of numerous different tribes, many of which that had been in constant war and conflict with the others on their own conquered land.

 

[Nationalist]

Sudan...Libya...or this...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/alligator-alcatraz-swamp-prison-could-094629735.html

Take your pick.

Edited Tuesday at 01:27 PM by Nationalist

[Legato]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

FFS do you actually believe they called themselves American’s? At least Canada is a bastardization of what some of them used to call eastern Canada. 
 

America come from the first name of an Italian explorer. Who by the way, never saw what became the United States.

Sarcasm is elusive hey wot.

[Aristides]

10 hours ago, User said:

You must have missed the part about him not being here illegally. 

Im not here illegally either. 

What law is being violated?

If you think a countries reputation is built on open borders/illegal immigration, go push your own country to have no limits and how many illegal immigrants are you harboring? 

A country’s reputation is built on how it actually treats people, not what it claims to be. The court order didn’t prevent them from being deported, it was against having them sent to any old shithole that was convenient. How would you take it if you ran afoul of the law in some country and they decided to ship you to Sudan instead of.back to the US? I take you think that would be acceptable.

[User]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

A country’s reputation is built on how it actually treats people, not what it claims to be. The court order didn’t prevent them from being deported, it was against having them sent to any old shithole that was convenient. How would you take it if you ran afoul of the law in some country and they decided to ship you to Sudan instead of.back to the US? I take you think that would be acceptable.

What court order? 

There are some 8+ billion people in the world. If a country's reputation is based on how it treats them all in not letting 8 billion + people overrun its borders, then the American reputation is no worse than anyone else's. 

You clearly have little understanding of how the deportation to third countries works. The vast majority of deportations are to the deportees' home countries. However, some of those countries refuse to take their own people back because they are criminals. 

The tiny few, like Garcia, who feel it is too threatening to be sent back to their home country... well, guess what, there are other options! 

Too bad, so sad. America doesn't have to be a shit hole landing ground for criminals around the country. If those criminals don't like it, they can take control of their own fate, self deport today. 

 

[Aristides]

17 minutes ago, User said:

What court order? 

There are some 8+ billion people in the world. If a country's reputation is based on how it treats them all in not letting 8 billion + people overrun its borders, then the American reputation is no worse than anyone else's. 

You clearly have little understanding of how the deportation to third countries works. The vast majority of deportations are to the deportees' home countries. However, some of those countries refuse to take their own people back because they are criminals. 

The tiny few, like Garcia, who feel it is too threatening to be sent back to their home country... well, guess what, there are other options! 

Too bad, so sad. America doesn't have to be a shit hole landing ground for criminals around the country. If those criminals don't like it, they can take control of their own fate, self deport today. 

 

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The lawyers revealed these details in an emergency motion to a federal judge in Boston who hasalready forbidden the Trump administration from sending foreign nationals to so-called “third-party countries,” rather than their country of origin, without providing “meaningful” notice and a chance to raise concern about torture.

Obviously you would have no issues with other countries shipping US nationals to anywhere they chose rather than back to the US. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:52 PM by Aristides

[User]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Obviously you would have no issues with other countries shipping US nationals to anywhere they chose rather than back to the US. 

Who is the US refusing to take back?

Once again, you dishonestly ignore the context of everything happening here and the facts. 

 

[Aristides]

26 minutes ago, User said:

Who is the US refusing to take back?

Once again, you dishonestly ignore the context of everything happening here and the facts. 

 

Sudan and Libya both have said they don't want them. Why do you think you have the right to send people who have committed crimes in your country to third party countries? Why shouldn't other countries ship their foreign national criminals to you?  Fair is fair.

[User]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Sudan and Libya both have said they don't want them. Why do you think you have the right to send people who have committed crimes in your country to third party countries? Why shouldn't other countries ship their foreign national criminals to you?  Fair is fair.

OK, so what are you complaining about then if those countries don't want them? Then they won't go there. 

Why do you think we can't send them if they will take them? 

 

[Aristides]

51 minutes ago, User said:

OK, so what are you complaining about then if those countries don't want them? Then they won't go there. 

Why do you think we can't send them if they will take them? 

 

The US is trying to take advantage of the fractured political situations in these countries to dump their undesirables. Literally using them as your trash cans.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/libya-s-leaders-say-they-haven-t-agreed-to-accept-deported-migrants-from-the-us/ar-AA1Emjsk

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-to-know-about-south-sudan-where-u-s-apparently-sent-migrants-on-deportation-flight

Edited Tuesday at 04:25 PM by Aristides

[User]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The US is trying to take advantage of the fractured political situations in these countries to dump their undesirables. Literally using them as their trash cans.

So... which was it, were they accepting them or not? 

Like you always do, you just throw crap at the wall and if it doesn't stick, you just keep throwing more crap. 

However, following your analogy, you want the United States to keep this crap and argue if we don't then that hurts our reputation. 

So, how much of this crap do you have living in your home?

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, User said:

So... which was it, were they accepting them or not? 

Like you always do, you just throw crap at the wall and if it doesn't stick, you just keep throwing more crap. 

However, following your analogy, you want the United States to keep this crap and argue if we don't then that hurts our reputation. 

So, how much of this crap do you have living in your home?

 

Show me where they have agreed to accept them.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-to-know-about-south-sudan-where-u-s-apparently-sent-migrants-on-deportation-flight

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/libya-s-leaders-say-they-haven-t-agreed-to-accept-deported-migrants-from-the-us/ar-AA1Emjsk

Edited Tuesday at 04:29 PM by Aristides

[User]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Show me where they have agreed to accept them.

You were the one who asserted they did not. So, what did you base that on?

My comment is IF they accept them, what is the problem?

From your own link:

"Libyan officials reached out to Trump officials in January and February, offering to accept deportees in return for political support for the fragile government in Tripoli, which is threatened by economic stresses and rival militias, according to a senior Libyan official."

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, User said:

You were the one who asserted they did not. So, what did you base that on?

My comment is IF they accept them, what is the problem?

From your own link:

"Libyan officials reached out to Trump officials in January and February, offering to accept deportees in return for political support for the fragile government in Tripoli, which is threatened by economic stresses and rival militias, according to a senior Libyan official."

Maybe read the whole article. It says exactly what I have said. Trump is taking advantage of the political chaos in these countries to use them as a dump.

Edited Tuesday at 04:51 PM by Aristides

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Maybe read the whole article. 

What about it? 

Feel free to quote the parts you think are important to your point. 

 

[User]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Trump is taking advantage of the political chaos in these countries to use them as a dump.

That is not exactly what you said. You said they refused to take them, now you are changing your argument to they did accept them. 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sudan...Libya...or this...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/alligator-alcatraz-swamp-prison-could-094629735.html

Take your pick.

Well,... That first alligator seems friendly I think. Maybe he would be his buddy? I mean look, he's smiling and everything!

28 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Maybe read the whole article. It says exactly what I have said. Trump is taking advantage of the political chaos in these countries to use them as a dump.

I kind of feel like other countries have done that to America so....