Americans Won't Do That Job?

[gatomontes99]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/omaha-immigration-workplace-raid-aftermath-rcna212931

OMAHA, Neb. — Every seat in the waiting area of Glenn Valley Foods was occupied with people filling out job applications early Thursday afternoon, two days after the meatpacking plant became the center of the largest worksite immigration raid in the state of Nebraska so far this year. 

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Would you look at that. All those illegals were deported and the next day, Americans were there getting jobs. Go figure. 

Who wants to admit they are wrong about illegal immigrants only doing jobs Americans won't? @robosmith do you have anything you want to say about illegals only doing jobs Americans won't do? 

 

[Michael Hardner]

I'll bet you the employer is sad about having to pay higher wages now...

[robosmith]

22 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Would you look at that. All those illegals were deported and the next day, Americans were there getting jobs. Go figure. 

Filling out applications doesn't mean they are getting jobs. Maybe they don't even know how little they will be paid or how difficult the work is.

22 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Who wants to admit they are wrong about illegal immigrants only doing jobs Americans won't? @robosmith do you have anything you want to say about illegals only doing jobs Americans won't do? 

Why are you asking me? I never made such absolute categorical claim.  AKA you are LYING to suggest I have.

Maybe the people who are applying now are bigots that would not work with Mexicans. 🤮

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'll bet you the employer is sad about having to pay higher wages now...

But the tariffs and resulting higher prices will make it easier for them to afford those higher wages. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'll bet you the employer is sad about having to pay higher wages now...

I didn't see that mentioned in the article. What are you basing this on?

 

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, User said:

I didn't see that mentioned in the article. What are you basing this on?

 

Seems to me that would be the obvious reason to hire illegals no? 

I assume that if illegals are working, they're making less than Americans. 

Okay, I just googled it and looked at the first paper I saw listed. 

 

It says that the wage Gap for undocumented immigrants versus legal immigrants is 35% 

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0927537119300831

[User]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Seems to me that would be the obvious reason to hire illegals no? 

I assume that if illegals are working, they're making less than Americans. 

Okay, I just googled it and looked at the first paper I saw listed. 

 

It says that the wage Gap for undocumented immigrants versus legal immigrants is 35% 

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0927537119300831

So, nothing would be the answer. You asked what this person thought about have to pay more... when there is nothing that says he is having to do that. 

 

[Matthew]

My cousin in small town iowa got a job at a meatpacking plant once in his 20s. He's a hard working hearty football player type. He lasted 3 days. 

[herbie]

What other work is available in Nebraska? It isn't like there are very many opening to fill and no mention of the actual number lining up to fill them.
And in a small town, deporting 70+ people means fewer customers for the other local businesses.

Ooooh such an opportunity. You work in a meat packing plant because you have to, not because anyone wants to.
The article quoted is putting lipstick on a pig. Perfume on a turd.

[User]

3 hours ago, Matthew said:

My cousin in small town iowa got a job at a meatpacking plant once in his 20s. He's a hard working hearty football player type. He lasted 3 days. 

So... why did he only last 3 days if he is so hard working?

[herbie]

Vecause the pay was shit for the work performed. Why else do people quit?

Did you notice they didn't even mention the pay rate?

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, User said:

So... why did he only last 3 days if he is so hard working?

Well there is hard work, and then there is a meat packing plant. It's one of the biggest industries in my state and famously grueling and dangerous. For example,  video got out a few years back of a worker on an assembly line here quickly pissing into a plastic shopping bag between trimming animals because there was no way to go to the bathroom. Fun fact: republicans here made it illegal to secretly film within any ag facility because so many viral videos showed how gross, disturbing, and unregulated it is. 

Also, the pay at these places is very decent for entry-level work with no education or experience. But then you get the intense realization of what an 8 hour shift on a meat processing assembly line is like.

[User]

24 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Well there is hard work, and then there is a meat packing plant. It's one of the biggest industries in my state and famously grueling and dangerous. For example,  video got out a few years back of a worker on an assembly line here quickly pissing into a plastic shopping bag between trimming animals because there was no way to go to the bathroom. Fun fact: republicans here made it illegal to secretly film within any ag facility because so many viral videos showed how gross, disturbing, and unregulated it is. 

Also, the pay at these places is very decent for entry-level work with no education or experience. But then you get the intense realization of what an 8 hour shift on a meat processing assembly line is like.

"dangerous" is controlled by numerous laws and protections in the workplace preventing putting people into knowingly unsafe working conditions without protections and mitigations. 

Also, almost all the so called "ag-gag" legislation has been found unconstitutional and mainly centered around animal rights groups tresspassing to take videos of the slaughter to show it as inhumane because they don't believe there is any humane way to kill animals for food. 

 

[gatomontes99]

https://www.indeed.com/q-glenn-valley-nfoods-jobs.html

$36,400 a year. Not bad for a post high school job. 

[gatomontes99]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Filling out applications doesn't mean they are getting jobs. Maybe they don't even know how little they will be paid or how difficult the work is.

Well, the job is posted online with the wages so.....

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Why are you asking me? I never made such absolute categorical claim.  AKA you are LYING to suggest I have.

No. You have said it. You are just hiding behind the fact that there is no search option. 

 

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Maybe the people who are applying now are bigots that would not work with Mexicans. 🤮

And this is how I know you are lying and losing. You blame them for racism without merit. You claim everyone else is lying when it is always you that is lying.

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

But the tariffs and resulting higher prices will make it easier for them to afford those higher wages. 

https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-price-index/consumer-price-index-by-category-line-chart.htm

Isn't it weird that the CPI keeps falling since the tarrifs became valid?

[Matthew]

8 hours ago, User said:

"dangerous" is controlled by numerous laws and protections in the workplace preventing putting people into knowingly unsafe working conditions without protections and mitigations. 

Ah ok, thanks professor. I guess people who work on meat processing assembly lines are wrong. 

You imagine state governments strictly enforce safety laws? These red state republican lawmakers and officials bend over and spread their cheeks to ag corporations every day. They made it easier to do child labor here after finding out that 13 year old migrants were working night shifts in meat packing plants. 

But like a lot of dangerous jobs, even if you're following all the correct procedures, you're still made of meat and working long shifts with equipment designed to quickly cut meat. 

[Nationalist]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

Filling out applications doesn't mean they are getting jobs. Maybe they don't even know how little they will be paid or how difficult the work is.

Why are you asking me? I never made such absolute categorical claim.  AKA you are LYING to suggest I have.

Maybe the people who are applying now are bigots that would not work with Mexicans. 🤮

But the tariffs and resulting higher prices will make it easier for them to afford those higher wages. 

What a liar.

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

What a liar.

Lots of white people (mostly Mexican) work in meat packing plants in rural areas. Very few will pick vegetables (NOT NONE).

You seem to be VERY CONFUSED.

The thing YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND is most citizens have better opportunities and therefore don't need to do grunt work. Duh

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Lots of white people (mostly Mexican) work in meat packing plants in rural areas. Very few will pick vegetables (NOT NONE).

You seem to be VERY CONFUSED.

The thing YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND is most citizens have better opportunities and therefore don't need to do grunt work. Duh

What you won't admit is that you're a blatant liar. You and all your Tweenkie buddies.

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'll bet you the employer is sad about having to pay higher wages now...

America's gotten addicted to slave labor. 

[gatomontes99]

20 hours ago, robosmith said:

Why are you asking me? I never made such absolute categorical claim.  AKA you are LYING to suggest I have.

Really? Same freaking thread:

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Lots of white people (mostly Mexican) work in meat packing plants in rural areas. Very few will pick vegetables (NOT NONE).

You seem to be VERY CONFUSED.

The thing YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND is most citizens have better opportunities and therefore don't need to do grunt work. Duh