Iran go boom now?

[User]

58 minutes ago, herbie said:

And ignoring the one it needs at home!

The usual solution: save them from their oppression by blowing them into small pieces of bloody meat.

4 years. Trump's term is up, and we have an election. 

Amazing how that works. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No it is not fair point but a misleading point because Israelis and US have said it many times that their goal is to neutralize Islamic Republic nuclear capabilities and it is up to the people of Iran to topple this regime. Unlike Iraq and Afghanistan there will be NO ground forces landing or military invasion. Military, intelligence, mercenary security forces must be attacked from the air and regime's criminal leaders must be eliminated same way that Hezbollah leaders were eliminated.

I think you missed the point. The point was about the history of the us and regieme change in the region, not their curtn goals or intents today, 

It's fair to say that the us has some pretty sketchy history when it comes to 'regime change' in the region

[CITIZEN_2015]

18 hours ago, Aristides said:

When that happens you have a vacuum. Look what has happened in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. As bad as Saddam may have been; he kept Iran occupied instead of Israel and was really no threat to the region after the 1st Gulf War. The US and Britain engineered the overthrow of a democratic regime in Iran during the 50's and put the Shah in power. The eventual result was the Islamic revolution, not because most Iranians loved the Ayatollah's but they hated the Shah even more. 

I am tired of answering this irrelevant question. I have explained many times over this will not happen and given the reasons and differences. Iran is not imaginary countries like Iraq, Syria or Libya. It is an ancient country with 2500 years of history and is politically mature nation and highly educated. Reza Pahlavi enjoys widespread support right now as the nation realized the stupid fatal mistake they made in 1979 and they are cursing their parents,

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I am tired of answering this irrelevant question. I have explained many times over this will not happen and given the reasons and differences. Iran is not imaginary countries like Iraq, Syria or Libya. It is an ancient country with 2500 years of history and is politically mature nation and highly educated. Reza Pahlavi enjoys widespread support right now as the nation realized the stupid fatal mistake they made in 1979 and they are cursing their parents,

well i don't know about it enough to say you're wrong, and a young man whom i know and who is living in canada building a business (successfully, smart young fella)  who is from iran seems to be echoing what you're saying a lot, so unless you're him in disguise (lol) i would have to say that locals from the area would seem to agree with you. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

well i don't know about it enough to say you're wrong, and a young man whom i know and who is living in canada building a business (successfully, smart young fella)  who is from iran seems to be echoing what you're saying a lot, so unless you're him in disguise (lol) i would have to say that locals from the area would seem to agree with you. 

No I am not. I am not building any business. I am academic.  And this is the view of overwhelming majority of Iranians both inside and outside Iran. Those inside fear for their lives and properties but still welcome the killing of those criminals and totally welcome Israeli attacks on regime hoping that this would result in the collapse of this evil regime and end of half of century nightmare for this nation, Israel and the world.

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No I am not. I am not building any business. I am academic.  And this is the view of overwhelming majority of Iranians both inside and outside Iran. Those inside fear for their lives and properties but still welcome the killing of those criminals and totally welcome Israeli attacks on regime hoping that this would result in the collapse of this evil regime and end of half of century nightmare for this nation, Israel and the world.

??? You didn't actually think i believed you were the friend i was taking about did you???

You really need to go get your sense of humour checked bud.   

Anyway it does seem that this person i mentioned feels exactly the same as far as what the people inside iran would like to see.

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

??? You didn't actually think i believed you were the friend i was taking about did you???

Putting smiley helps lol when you are joking 😀. 

Edited Thursday at 01:37 AM by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Putting smiley helps lol when you are joking 😀. 

If you're claiming i don't use enough smileys there's about 10 guys who're going to want to have a talk with you outside  LOL

[robosmith]

On 6/17/2025 at 12:05 PM, Barquentine said:

And you think you do? Give me a break!

 

The original post was "Iran-go-boom now" and you call me flippant??

 

No I haven't. Nor have I lived in Gaza with bombs raining down killing thousands of children. Haven't lived in the West Bank and had my house stolen by armed thugs. Lot of bad shit going on over there.

Netenyahoo has been PM for what, 15-16 years? And the worst Hamas attack happened on his watch. Obviously his way doesn't work. But hey, why stop now? Kill a few thousand more, what's the difference? With Trump backing him up of course.

Not only ^this, but Netanyahu was found to be approving the payment of $100s of millions to Hamas from Qatar and KNEW about the Oct attack plans a year in advance, but sent the IDF off to help settlers steal more Palestinian land in the West Bank instead of protecting Gaza's Jewish neighbors. 

[robosmith]

On 6/17/2025 at 5:19 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Nobody said the US or Israel should change the regime. I said Israel and US should eliminate the Islamic Republic murderous leaders in particular the top leader hiding in a hole and the commanders of Sepah and oppressive apparatus of the regime to pave the way for the people of Iran to rise up and pour into streets and overthrow this fascist regime for once and all without being massacre by the mercenary security forces. This nation has risen up many times in the past 8 years and each time thousand were shot dead on streets or died under torture after their arrests and this included women and children.

YOU ^just said you want the US/Israel to facilitate regime change, apparently because you believe the people of Iran cannot do it on their own.

[Legato]

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Not only ^this, but Netanyahu was found to be approving the payment of $100s of millions to Hamas from Qatar and KNEW about the Oct attack plans a year in advance, but sent the IDF off to help settlers steal more Palestinian land in the West Bank instead of protecting Gaza's Jewish neighbors. 

Where did you get this nugget of odd information from?

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

Where did you get this nugget of odd information from?

From MULTIPLE REAL NEWS sources. AKA NOT FOS LIES cause they never tell you the whole story. LMAO

How Israel Secretly Propped Up Hamas

The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com › World › Middle East

 

 

 

 

Dec 10, 2023 — Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain ...

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown ...

The Times of Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com › for-years-netanyahu-pr...

 

 

 

 

Oct 8, 2023 — Toward the end of Netanyahu's fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to ...

Qatar sent millions to Gaza for years – with Israel's backing. ...

CNN

https://www.cnn.com › 2023/12/11 › middleeast › qatar...

 

 

 

 

Dec 12, 2023 — Qatar was prepared to provide funds to the Gaza Strip through Hamas as early as the 2014 Israel-Hamas war to alleviate the humanitarian crisis ...

 

Israel Knew Hamas's Attack Plan Over a Year Ago

The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com › World › Middle East

 

 

 

 

Dec 2, 2023 — Israeli officials obtained Hamas's battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Aristides]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-nuclear-capabilities-analysis-1.7565848

[Legato]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

From MULTIPLE REAL NEWS sources. AKA NOT FOS LIES cause they never tell you the whole story. LMAO

How Israel Secretly Propped Up Hamas

The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com › World › Middle East

 

 

 

 

Dec 10, 2023 — Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain ...

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown ...

The Times of Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com › for-years-netanyahu-pr...

 

 

 

 

Oct 8, 2023 — Toward the end of Netanyahu's fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to ...

Qatar sent millions to Gaza for years – with Israel's backing. ...

CNN

https://www.cnn.com › 2023/12/11 › middleeast › qatar...

 

 

 

 

Dec 12, 2023 — Qatar was prepared to provide funds to the Gaza Strip through Hamas as early as the 2014 Israel-Hamas war to alleviate the humanitarian crisis ...

 

Israel Knew Hamas's Attack Plan Over a Year Ago

The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com › World › Middle East

 

 

 

 

Dec 2, 2023 — Israeli officials obtained Hamas's battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the NYT mine these nuggets.

[gatomontes99]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

Not only ^this, but Netanyahu was found to be approving the payment of $100s of millions to Hamas from Qatar and KNEW about the Oct attack plans a year in advance, but sent the IDF off to help settlers steal more Palestinian land in the West Bank instead of protecting Gaza's Jewish neighbors. 

Don't forget that he also forgot to tell Santa Clause to stop the boogie man when he wrote his Christmas letter. 

[User]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

From MULTIPLE REAL NEWS sources. AKA NOT FOS LIES cause they never tell you the whole story. LMAO

You are so dishonest. Netanyahu was trying to keep peace, Qutar money was going towards humanitarian aid, was supposed to go to those purposes and mostly did. These were all efforts to help keep the peace with Hamas. 

There is no real evidence Israel had any exact plans for any attack, it was vague intelligence that something was being planned at some point in the future, not that Netanyahu somehow knew that on October 7th this was what was exactly going to happen. 

You frame your comments up purposefully vague so you can dishonestly frame them as you did with no real context. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Don't forget that he also forgot to tell Santa Clause to stop the boogie man when he wrote his Christmas letter. 

You have no proof of that. 

Sorry...  YoU HaVe NOOOO PROOOF of THAT^^^^^^^^^^^

(forgot to turn the translator on)

[CITIZEN_2015]

19 hours ago, robosmith said:

YOU ^just said you want the US/Israel to facilitate regime change, apparently because you believe the people of Iran cannot do it on their own.

I said and you quoted me facilitate not do it themselves. Do you not speak English?

I had explained many time over how. Bomb centers of murderous Sepah and security forces and kill their commanders. They are guilty for murder of many thousands of defenseless Iranians on streets for peaceful protests. Also kill the bastard political figures, many of them hated Shiite clergy as they are guilty of ordering the murder of thousands of people, hangings and torture of political prisoners. And then after weakening the murderous security forces the people of Iran can pour into streets, take over regime headquarters and government buildings after the security forces run for their lives and hence the people will not be massacred as like they were in 207, 2019 and 2022 when thousands of peaceful demonstrators were shot to death or their eyes were targeted.

Down with Islamic Republic

Death to Islamic Republic murderous leaders and the security forces.

Edited 20 hours ago by CITIZEN_2015

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, Legato said:

Where did the NYT mine these nuggets.

Read the stories, IF you're literate enough. Also google is your friend.

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I said and you quoted me facilitate not do it themselves. Do you not speak English?

I speak English better than you because I know that you said the Iranian people cannot do it by themselves and NEED US/Israeli help. AKA it is a JOINT EFFORT with US/Israelis playing a MUCH LARGER PART.

[User]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Read the stories, IF you're literate enough. Also google is your friend.

Read my response, if you are brave enough. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

I speak English better than you because I know that you said the Iranian people cannot do it by themselves and NEED US/Israeli help. AKA it is a JOINT EFFORT with US/Israelis playing a MUCH LARGER PART.

Yes it is true because Iranian people tried in the past many times over and they were massacred by murderous regime each time and yes the role of Israel is vital because without them weakening this murderous regime by killing its leaders and commanders the people alone cannot do it without being massacred. I NEVER said any country should land soldiers on Iranian soil or occupy Iranian territory.

[Legato]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Read the stories, IF you're literate enough. Also google is your friend.

I did, so where did the NYT get them?

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 6/18/2025 at 5:30 PM, CdnFox said:

well i don't know about it enough to say you're wrong, and a young man whom i know and who is living in canada building a business (successfully, smart young fella)  who is from iran seems to be echoing what you're saying a lot, so unless you're him in disguise (lol) i would have to say that locals from the area would seem to agree with you. 

 

May be  your friend was him 😀

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

I did, so where did the NYT get them?

Don't you know how reporters do their job? They have sources.

The back story was from a woman working for Mossad who uncovered the invasion plans and tried to interest her bosses, but was shot down. Apparently because higher ups wanted to keep knowledge of the plans secret.

The excuse given for quashing that knowledge was higher ups in Mossad thought the plans were fanciful and so ambitious Hamas would never succeed. IMO, they wanted to pretend it was a surprise attack to fuel anger and justify an overreaction.