CdnFox Posted Saturday at 07:12 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:12 PM 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Reply to your comment you mean? That's a strange thing for you to say since I LIKED the comment. It made sense to me and so I had nothing to add. It's kind of a common courtesy if you ask someone a question to reply to their response and offer your thoughts on it even if your thoughts are simply I agree or get stuffed Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted Saturday at 07:54 PM Author Report Posted Saturday at 07:54 PM 13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Trump's focus for deportations has largely been criminals, including in LA. Looks like he's pointing that out and saying he's not going to deport all illegals, which he hasn't been doing anyways. Maybe this is his way of trying to quell some of the uproar in LA. Trump SAID HIS priority was criminal gangs, but Homan and Miller have told their AGENTS they need to up their game and grab 3000 deportees per DAY, and Miller sent them to the Home Depot parking lot to grab the laborers. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted Saturday at 08:35 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:35 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, blackbird said: That term sounds very hateful and fascist. People who are suffering poverty, crime, threats from gangs, and are trying to protect their family by going to a safer place are refugees, not "illegal aliens' from mars. Too bad. It's the legal term that is designated for people that are not in the country legally. Edit: this is a prime example of a liberal using the feeling a word (or phrase) elicits rather than the actual definition Edited Saturday at 09:36 PM by gatomontes99 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
robosmith Posted Saturday at 09:59 PM Author Report Posted Saturday at 09:59 PM 5 hours ago, blackbird said: If you want to be a fascist, you can say that. But you don't understand that is how people from places like central and south America have immigrated to the U.S. probably for the last 50 or 100 years or more. They are not well educated. Maybe very little education and don't know anything about American federal law. So you are talking into thin air. That is not how the real world worked for the past 100 years in the U.S. I have told you many times, they place the safety and well-being of their families first and don't know anything about the technicalities of laws in Washington. You really need to get educated. Millions came to America in the past 50 years, not in the last four years under Biden. They have worked and filled jobs in agriculture, hotels, etc. that nobody else would take. That's just how they survived. This happened under previous Republican and Democratic governments for many decades and no real solution has been found. The largest number of immigrants not legally in the US are NOT "criminals" because overstaying your VISA is generally a civil violations. AKA not a CRIME. Quote Yes, overstaying a visa is a civil violation, not a criminal one. While it's not a crime like illegal entry or crossing the border without authorization, it still carries serious consequences. Overstaying can lead to re-entry bans, difficulty adjusting status, visa denials, and even deportation. Quote
User Posted Saturday at 10:33 PM Report Posted Saturday at 10:33 PM 26 minutes ago, robosmith said: The largest number of immigrants not legally in the US are NOT "criminals" because overstaying your VISA is generally a civil violations. AKA not a CRIME. Well... this is an ignorant lie. Overstaying your visa is not "immigration" per say, but it does make you unlawfully here. Nor does this comprise the largest number of those here unlawfully. Also, to overstay your visa, many of those folks are going to engage in other crimes like fraud or efforts to unlawfully obtain another visa or benefits... so they can keep staying here unlawfully, then guess what? Criminals. Quote
blackbird Posted Saturday at 11:06 PM Report Posted Saturday at 11:06 PM 31 minutes ago, User said: Well... this is an ignorant lie. Overstaying your visa is not "immigration" per say, but it does make you unlawfully here. Your thinking is warped. People that have been in the country for years, maybe decades and are working in jobs that nobody else wants, are important for the economy. Just sending ICE out and arresting these people, who are not criminals, but are supporting their families, is crazy and inhumane. Quote
robosmith Posted Saturday at 11:39 PM Author Report Posted Saturday at 11:39 PM 58 minutes ago, User said: Well... this is an ignorant lie. Overstaying your visa is not "immigration" per say, but it does make you unlawfully here. You're the one LYING ^HERE. If you don't go back, YOU'VE IMMIGRATED. Like the flame thrower guy and his family were here for MONTHS by overstaying their VISAS. 58 minutes ago, User said: Nor does this comprise the largest number of those here unlawfully. Prove it. In reality it is impossible to know one way or the other. 58 minutes ago, User said: Also, to overstay your visa, many of those folks are going to engage in other crimes like fraud or efforts to unlawfully obtain another visa or benefits... so they can keep staying here unlawfully, then guess what? Criminals. ^Pure generalization and speculation. Quote
CdnFox Posted Saturday at 11:44 PM Report Posted Saturday at 11:44 PM 3 hours ago, robosmith said: Trump SAID HIS priority was criminal gangs, but Homan and Miller have told their AGENTS they need to up their game and grab 3000 deportees per DAY, and Miller sent them to the Home Depot parking lot to grab the laborers. No, that's a lie and I have already posted the proof that trump was not saying it was only criminal gangs at all his priority was to remove all illegals. The criminal gangs are why he considered it important but he absolutely did not suggest even a tiny bit the criminals would be the biggest priority Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted Sunday at 12:47 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:47 AM 1 hour ago, robosmith said: You're the one LYING ^HERE. If you don't go back, YOU'VE IMMIGRATED. Like the flame thrower guy and his family were here for MONTHS by overstaying their VISAS. Yeah, you overstay your Visa by 1 hour for whatever reason... Robo: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR yOu ImMiGrAtEd DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Prove it. In reality it is impossible to know one way or the other. Prove it? YOU WERE THE ONE WHO CLAIMED THIS WAS MOST OF UNLAWFUL IMMIGRATION The left wing Center for Immigration Studies puts the number at 40% https://cmsny.org/correcting-record-false-misleading-statements-on-immigration/#:~:text=Other organizations%2C including the Department,through the US-Mexico border. 1 hour ago, robosmith said: ^Pure generalization and speculation. My comment was more sound than yours saying they were not criminals. Quote
User Posted Sunday at 12:49 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:49 AM 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Your thinking is warped. People that have been in the country for years, maybe decades and are working in jobs that nobody else wants, are important for the economy. Just sending ICE out and arresting these people, who are not criminals, but are supporting their families, is crazy and inhumane. Once again, it was just a fact. Those who overstay their Visa are here unlawfully. To get those jobs, to live life here, how do you think they do that without also breaking the law and committing fraud? The punishment for overstaying your Visa is deportation. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted Sunday at 10:23 AM Report Posted Sunday at 10:23 AM 15 hours ago, CdnFox said: It's kind of a common courtesy if you ask someone a question to reply to their response and offer your thoughts on it even if your thoughts are simply I agree or get stuffed Ok, well I'm informed now. And my reply is that your answer made sense to me. I'm getting answers from others here also. Thanks. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
blackbird Posted Sunday at 10:50 AM Report Posted Sunday at 10:50 AM (edited) 12 hours ago, User said: Also, to overstay your visa, many of those folks are going to engage in other crimes like fraud or efforts to unlawfully obtain another visa or benefits... so they can keep staying here unlawfully, then guess what? Criminals. I am not talking about those who have been convicted of serious criminal behavior, but I am talking about those who are following the laws. You seem to think most of the undocumented migrants are engaged in criminal behavior, which you can't prove. You are making false assumptions. Coming into the U.S. illegally because you are in poverty and you are desperate to help feed your family or find a safe life for your family and escape a crime-ridden country, is not what could be called a crime worthy of deportation. It is simply being human or a humanitarian. Do you understand the Bible teaches that Christians are to have a humanitarian attitude to those less fortunate and in poverty such as migrants from other countries who are trying to provide a better life for themselves and their families? Your attitude of condemning them and supporting deportation of them without question seems to go entirely against the humanitarian teachings of the Bible and love of thy neighbour. People should not be deported without a good reason such as proven criminality; they should be allowed to stay on humanitarian grounds if at all possible. Edited Sunday at 10:56 AM by blackbird Quote
gatomontes99 Posted Sunday at 11:36 AM Report Posted Sunday at 11:36 AM 12 hours ago, blackbird said: Your thinking is warped. People that have been in the country for years, maybe decades and are working in jobs that nobody else wants, are important for the economy. Just sending ICE out and arresting these people, who are not criminals, but are supporting their families, is crazy and inhumane. Slaves did jobs no body else wanted and were important to the economy. I cant help but think you'd be on the side of slave owners back in the days of Lincoln. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Legato Posted Sunday at 01:29 PM Report Posted Sunday at 01:29 PM 1 hour ago, blackbird said: I am not talking about those who have been convicted of serious criminal behavior, but I am talking about those who are following the laws. You seem to think most of the undocumented migrants are engaged in criminal behavior, which you can't prove. You are making false assumptions. Coming into the U.S. illegally because you are in poverty and you are desperate to help feed your family or find a safe life for your family and escape a crime-ridden country, is not what could be called a crime worthy of deportation. It is simply being human or a humanitarian. Do you understand the Bible teaches that Christians are to have a humanitarian attitude to those less fortunate and in poverty such as migrants from other countries who are trying to provide a better life for themselves and their families? Your attitude of condemning them and supporting deportation of them without question seems to go entirely against the humanitarian teachings of the Bible and love of thy neighbour. People should not be deported without a good reason such as proven criminality; they should be allowed to stay on humanitarian grounds if at all possible. Entering into the U.S. illegally is a crime no matter the circumstances. Humanitarian grounds is bullshit for the majority of immigrants, they only illegally entered the US because of all the free stuff the Biden regime was handing out. The free stuff has disappeared, how many are seen at the borders now? Quote
blackbird Posted Sunday at 02:12 PM Report Posted Sunday at 02:12 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Slaves did jobs no body else wanted and were important to the economy. I cant help but think you'd be on the side of slave owners back in the days of Lincoln. 46 minutes ago, Legato said: Humanitarian grounds is bullshit for the majority of immigrants, There is something else I wonder if you even think of. Children of illegal migrants who are born in the U.S. are, according to the Constitution, automatically U.S. citizens. So if an illegal migrant has a spouse who is an American citizen and/or has children born in the U.S., that changes the whole picture and such illegal migrants should not be deported. It is not the children's fault that they have a parent who is an illegal migrant. So on humanitarian grounds, such migrants should not be deported. Even if a migrant committed a criminal offence, if they have a spouse or children who are U.S. citizens, they should not be deported, but they should be punished in the U.S. in the area in which their family lives for any crime. Children should not be punished for the faults of a parent. Deporting a parent of an American child is both inhumane and may be breaking up a family. The family structure is a kind of sacred structure that must be protected and respected. It would clearly be fascist to attack the family by deporting one or both parents when the other spouse or children are U.S. citizens. Also, if they committed a criminal offence,and their family are U.S. citizens, it may be preferable and more humane to punish them in the U.S. as near as possible to their family. This is for the benefit of the family who are U.S. citizens and are innocent in all of this. That is what being humanitarian means. That is government's responsibility in a civilized society. Edited Sunday at 02:17 PM by blackbird Quote
CdnFox Posted Sunday at 02:51 PM Report Posted Sunday at 02:51 PM 37 minutes ago, blackbird said: There is something else I wonder if you even think of. Children of illegal migrants who are born in the U.S. are, according to the Constitution, automatically U.S. citizens. So if an illegal migrant has a spouse who is an American citizen and/or has children born in the U.S., that changes the whole picture and such illegal migrants should not be deported. It is not the children's fault that they have a parent who is an illegal migrant. So on humanitarian grounds, such migrants should not be deported. That would not change the picture in the slightest. Either the person is in country legally (which i dunno, maybe they are after marriage? not sure how that works in the states) or they are not in which case they should be deported. Once deported they can apply for residency same as always. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted Sunday at 04:36 PM Report Posted Sunday at 04:36 PM 5 hours ago, blackbird said: I am not talking about those who have been convicted of serious criminal behavior, but I am talking about those who are following the laws. If you are here illegally, you are not following the laws. If you overstay your Visa, you are not following the laws. If you cross the border unlawfully, evade border patrol, you are not following the laws. Being here ILLEGALLY is not following the law. 5 hours ago, blackbird said: You seem to think most of the undocumented migrants are engaged in criminal behavior, which you can't prove. No, I very accurately state the fact that being here ILLEGALLY is already criminal behavior. 5 hours ago, blackbird said: You are making false assumptions. Coming into the U.S. illegally because you are in poverty and you are desperate to help feed your family or find a safe life for your family and escape a crime-ridden country, is not what could be called a crime worthy of deportation. It is simply being human or a humanitarian. You are seeking to excuse the criminal behavior, but it doesn't make it not criminal. If you want to be a humanitarian, then YOU can do that with your own individual actions. Imposing this lawlessness on the rest of society doesn't make you a humanitarian. Quote
User Posted Sunday at 04:40 PM Report Posted Sunday at 04:40 PM 2 hours ago, blackbird said: It would clearly be fascist to attack the family by deporting one or both parents when the other spouse or children are U.S. citizens. Fascism has nothing to do with it. You just throw that word around with no regard for how absurd it is. They are here illegally. Having children here is not a free pass. You only encourage criminals to come here to quickly have kids with this kind of perverse incentive. Quote
robosmith Posted Sunday at 07:20 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 07:20 PM 5 hours ago, Legato said: Entering into the U.S. illegally is a crime no matter the circumstances. Humanitarian grounds is bullshit for the majority of immigrants, they only illegally entered the US because of all the free stuff the Biden regime was handing out. The free stuff has disappeared, how many are seen at the borders now? ^TROLL has ZERO EVIDENCE "of all the free stuff the Biden regime was handing out." Quote
User Posted Sunday at 07:28 PM Report Posted Sunday at 07:28 PM 2 minutes ago, robosmith said: ^TROLL has ZERO EVIDENCE "of all the free stuff the Biden regime was handing out." Well, mainly the Democrats running states like California. However, the Biden administration spent billions to provide housing services to illegal immigrants. To pay for them to stay in hotels…. Quote
CdnFox Posted Sunday at 07:41 PM Report Posted Sunday at 07:41 PM 20 minutes ago, robosmith said: ^TROLL has ZERO EVIDENCE "of all the free stuff the Biden regime was handing out." You appear to have zero evidence that he's wrong Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
gatomontes99 Posted Sunday at 11:46 PM Report Posted Sunday at 11:46 PM 9 hours ago, blackbird said: Children of illegal migrants who are born in the U.S. are, according to the Constitution, automatically U.S. citizens. Not exactly. The rub comes in the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Being born here does not give you citizenship if the mother that gave birth to you wasn't under the jurisdiction of the state or the United States. It is being argued that being in the country illegally isn't under the jurisdiction because they have not been formally admitted. 9 hours ago, blackbird said: So if an illegal migrant has a spouse who is an American citizen and/or has children born in the U.S., that changes the whole picture No it does not. Does it change the picture if the father of 5 kids assasinates a Minnesota State Senator? No. Family separation happens everyday in the US. If an illegal immigrant has a spouse or child that is legally in the US, they can either choose to travel together or separate. 9 hours ago, blackbird said: So on humanitarian grounds, such migrants should not be deported. Bullshìt. You break the law you have to pay the price. /discussion Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
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CdnFox Posted yesterday at 05:16 AM Report Posted yesterday at 05:16 AM 2 hours ago, robosmith said: ICE ordered to pause most raids on farms, hotels and ... Reuters https://www.reuters.com › world › us-immigration-offic... 1 day ago — The order to scale back U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids came from Trump himself, the person familiar with the matter said, and ... So what you're saying is you were actually wrong and you're providing proof of that? Don't sweat it bud. We knew you were wrong to begin with Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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