What is Fascism?

[Legato]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Communism by definition is a planned economy and communists believe you must first have socialism to get to communism. 
 

Communism hides under the camouflage of socialism and if left to fester bursts out into fully fledged oppression.

[User]

16 minutes ago, Legato said:

Communism hides under the camouflage of socialism and if left to fester bursts out into fully fledged oppression.

It is already oppression. "Planned" is doing a A LOT of heavy lifting there. 

"Planned" = You are told the plan and you are forced to execute that plan. 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Apparently Einstein is a disgusting anti-Semite who supports rape and torture.

Go figure.

Well he was german    What's more interesting is that you are a disgusting anti-semite who supports rape and torture. I mean we've been saying that about you since you started supporting oct 7 but previously you'd attempted to deny it.  

You always try to dance around it because you know that it's not terribly 'socially acceptable' except on the far left to hate jews and support the murder and rape of children but you always come out and say hamas was justified, it was their human right to do so, and now post very direct anti semetic statements. 

No hiding it any more kiddo. You're a pretty vicious anti semite and supporter of the terrorists.  The more you talk the more obvious it's become. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well he was german

He'd certainly know a fascist when he saw one I guess.

He must have been a self-loathing fascist.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

He'd certainly know a fascist when he saw one I guess.

 

And we'd certainly know an antisemite terrorist supporter when we saw one.  (waives. )

[BeaverFever]

8 hours ago, Legato said:

Communism hides under the camouflage of socialism and if left to fester bursts out into fully fledged oppression.

Communism is a hypothetical economic model proposed by Marx where the nation state and its government no longer exist and everyone lives is communes like the Amish do where everything is collectively owned and managed by the local inhabitants. There has never been a true “communist” country. “Socialism” is what USSR was and what China still is: a model where most property and means of production are owned or directly controlled by the state. 

[BeaverFever]

 

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yawn.  lets do a quick check.  Facts.... nope .... angry rhetoric unsupported by reason or logic... yep Addresses the issues raised? Nope. 

 

So back to your old trick of when you can't argue what we were discussing you change the topic and pretend  we were arguing the new one all along,  How boring, 

And if you went to university go demand your money back. You are an utter failure, 

There's no reverse engineering here, Once you take the hatred and bigotry that blinds you out of it, the historical records are pretty clear 

You obviously know nothing and yet pretend otherwise to defend your tribe, Pathetic. You didn't even know that communism is a type of socalism.  Studied it? Please, give me a break. 

Sorry kiddo, putin is not right wing. 

I can go through and list why each of your examples is just bullshit lies, but its' moot.  Socialists are MORE PRONE to it. I did not say exclusive and in fact i was very careful to point out otherwise, 

Sorry kiddo, I guess NO socialists have EVER been dictators as long as you change the definition of socialism to exclude them  

 

Next time talk about something you know something about. You're embarrassing yourself

 

LMAO there’s not ONE actual attempt at a rebuttal in all those words you typed, what a waste of time. . In fact in this whole thread you’ve not even attempted to post one link or or shred of evidence because even your eight wing propaganda sites have your specific creative invented gibberish. What you’ve claimed isn’t just patently false, it’s gibberish,  which shows you don’t even understand the topic you’re trying to bend to a conservative narrative.  You’re not just wrong, you’re hilariously out of your depth and making it up as you go.  
 

Your whole M.O. is just to spout your gibberish then respond to whatever I say with “nuh-uh I am right and you are wrong “. You’ve done this on a number of topics. 

It’s really pathetic. 

[BeaverFever]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I can go through and list why each of your examples is just bullshit lies, but its' moot.  Socialists are MORE PRONE to it. I did not say exclusive and in fact i was very careful to point out otherwise, 

Sorry kiddo, I guess NO socialists have EVER been dictators as long as you change the definition of socialism to exclude them  

Go ahead please start listing. You still haven’t told us what YOU think a socialist or shown us any definition to back it up. 
 

I never said no socialists have ever been dictators, the opposite in fact. Yet, once again you’re making shit up

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 

LMAO there’s not ONE actual attempt at a rebuttal in all those words

You didn't give me anything to rebutt   You offered no logic or reason or opinions per se and in those rare occasions where you did I absolutely did address them, but as is your usual case you just got mad when confronted with facts and Spent all your time insulting others and stomping your feet and had nothing intelligent to say

 

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Your whole M.O. is just to spout your gibberish then respond to whatever I say with “nuh-uh I am right and you are wrong “. You’ve done this on a number of topics. 

It’s really pathetic. 

 

And like most on the left you always resort to this nonsense of accusing others of what you yourself do.

Your entire presentation here has been just as you described.

Socialism as I have noted is characterized by the control of the means of production by either the state or Collective either directly or through excessive regulation. The Nazis were absolutely socialist, the communists were absolutely socialist, there are tons of socialist governments out there.

And because socialism requires strong state control highly centralized and highly regulated society and economy it is extremely vulnerable to becoming a dictatorship or Oligarchy.

And all your histronics and freaking out do not change that

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Go ahead please start listing. You still haven’t told us what YOU think a socialist or shown us any definition to back it up. 

The very fact that I have actually given you a perfectly functional definition of socialism in general that covers most of the socialist models and you ignored it and pretended that I didn't shows that you know i'm right and you're wrong 

You feel you have to lie about what I've said or haven't said in order to try and make your point. That's kind of a dead giveaway.

So there's not much point in going over the details with you. You're just going to pretend I didn't and you already know you're wrong anyway so even though you don't admit it out of childishness and obstinance we'll both already know. 

Grow up a little. You can do better

 

[User]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

There has never been a true “communist” country.

Right... right... just like there has never been a true capitalist country either... 

 

Also, I called it. @BeaverFever is going to run away from the stupid claims about right wing violence vs left wing violence... 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, User said:

Right... right... just like there has never been a true capitalist country either... 

 

Also, I called it. @BeaverFever is going to run away from the stupid claims about right wing violence vs left wing violence... 

The whole "no true communist" thing is just the most childish and ídiotic argument since the beginning of time. Like i said earlier, whenever a socialist or communist gov't goes badly they just try to redefine "communism" or "Socialism" till it doesn't fit that gov't any more. "No, you see a TRUE communist gov't would have 3 politburos and a czar and that one had only 2 and a Cossack so.... "  Like. What?!?! 

Most dictatorships in history have involved socialist or socialistic models where the power was consolidated  in a strong central gov't that exercised very tight control over the economy either by direct or collective ownership or excessive regulation of the marketplace for the benefit of "society" or the national goals rather than to promote individual goals. Not complex. 

You notice how capitalists don't have to explain the failure of capitalist countries all the time and claim there's  'no true capitalism"?  That's because capitalism works and communism or even strong socialistic models dont' tend to.