What is Fascism?

[User]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

What are you babbling about exactly? 

The subject hasn't gone anywhere, it's still in the same place now as it has been for thousands of years.

 

You are just a petty dishonest liar. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, User said:

You are just a petty dishonest liar. 

You're just a silly dingbat.

[User]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're just a silly dingbat.

OK... and?

Doesn't change your dishonesty here. 

[Deluge]

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

100 years ago...Palestine.

4,000 years ago....Israel. 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Deluge said:

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

100 years ago...Palestine.

4,000 years ago....Israel. 

I'm old enough to remember when people started wars, they weren't' started by calendars  

"This war brought to you by 1952, and the letter "E" " 

Edited Monday at 05:34 PM by CdnFox

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

4,000 years ago....Israel. 

It's like it was just yesterday.

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's like it was just yesterday.

Time moves very quickly, eyeballs. 

[Legato]

On 6/15/2025 at 3:09 PM, eyeball said:

100 years ago...Palestine.

Palestine is just a name. It never was a real entity. It was accepted in spirit but not in actuality.

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, Legato said:

Palestine is just a name. It never was a real entity. It was accepted in spirit but not in actuality.

What @eyeball doesn't understand is that pretty much everything is just a name. Sometimes things we've named are worth fighting for and defending. But fighting for or defending something that hasn't existed hundred or a thousand years is a pretty questionable thing to do, and throwing away your future for it is simply insanity.

Letting your people be killed wholesale today because you're fighting for a world that hasn't existed during your entire lifetime, and allowing that to prevent you from having the kind of world you would like to live in in the future cannot be condoned on any level.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Time moves very quickly, eyeballs. 

In the meantime you asshats tell first Nations it's long past time they got over their dispossession and land claims that are anywhere from a couple centuries to 10000 years old.

 

[CdnFox]

44 minutes ago, eyeball said:

In the meantime you asshats tell first Nations it's long past time they got over their dispossession and land claims that are anywhere from a couple centuries to 10000 years old.

 

Land claims that are 10,000 years old???  

And yes, those two things are absolutely in keeping with each other. We tell the people in the middle east to forget about 100 years ago or 10,000 years ago and focus on tomorrow and what they're going to build and what kind of life they want to have. And we would tell the first nations the same thing.

That's consistency. All you do is suggest people have a right to be violent over things that happened centuries ago and we should never Stop worrying about the past even if it destroys our future

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

In the meantime you asshats tell first Nations it's long past time they got over their dispossession and land claims that are anywhere from a couple centuries to 10000 years old.

 

You bottom b*tches really do want to be last in everything don't you? lol

[Legato]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

In the meantime you asshats tell first Nations it's long past time they got over their dispossession and land claims that are anywhere from a couple centuries to 10000 years old.

 

I believe the 98 bus goes to the Ottoman Empire.

[BeaverFever]

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

So much so that you couldn't even refute a single point and felt the need to go find an even BIGGER joke to cite?

Stop with the lying. I refuted the false claims, stated the facts and cited a widely acclaimed expert. 
 

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

Bullshit.' The guy's a no name hack trying to make a name for himself by 'wokefying' a topic instead of actually addressing it.  Even you can see that i'm sure. 

That was pathetic, 

LMAO. You re hilarious. Just because your uneducated ass can’t name a single expert on the subject (or any subject) doesn’t mean he’s a no name hack. What exactly are you disputing, that he’s a Yale professor?  That he’s written 5 books on the subject?  That he was invited to Big Think?

You don’t know a thing about him or his motives, all you know is he said something you don’t like so once again you start completely inventing claims with no supporting evidence…all to falsely accuse someone else of making claims with no evidence while defending an anonymously written conservapedia post that could have been written by literally be anyone, even a child, on a website whose stated purpose is to provide conservative-biased information. Do you know how absolutely ridiculous that makes you sound?  
 

The only pathetic arguments here are yours  

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

This is the I can't argue anything you just said so i'll invent something that never happened and argue with that thing you like to do .

Again kid, pathetic. You couldn't refute a SINGLE point?

I refuted every point. Id you say the capital of Russia is Paris and I say “wrong, its Moscow” that’s refuted. Especially if I then post a video by one Americas foremost geography experts who says the same thing. 

 And keep in mind buddy you don’t even attempt to post a single shred of evidence to back up any of your nonsense because it’s all made up by you. As the expression goes “that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence” but I still gave you a video. We’ve had this argument before, I’ve given you the links, which you don’t click and complain that it’s too much reading. If I find a video of sock puppets I’ll send it your way. 
 

But I haven’t even said anything that’s controversial, it’s widely accepted common knowledge that everyone learns in high school. 
 

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

And? how does that refute what i said? Kid if you laughed out loud you made yourself look like a complete tard, are you saying hitler WASN"T a dictator like I claimed? 

Are you serious?  It was a cult of personality which by definition means it was a dictatorship since he was also the leader of the country. Are you trying to argue that these are mutually exclusive things?  Like literally the national culture was for the citizens to praise his name while they passed each other in the street. He wasn’t just some dude who happened to leading the party at the moment   He created Nazis and it died when he died. 
 

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

Not only is it 100% true but it can't even be argued. It's like arguing whether or not the sun came up in the east this morning. All of the people I mentioned were socialist dictators in one model or another.

No, you just don’t know what the word socialist means, you apply the label to anything or anyone you don’t like.  But you don’t understand the subject. 
 

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

Sure.  The marxists also thought that hitler and the socialist party were a cancer, etc etc.  They all thought THEIR brand of socialism was correct.  I assume you know that communism is socailism. If you don't you're too uneducated for this conversation. 

Hilter gave long speeches about this. His party was socialist, based on a highly controlled open market model.  Got the word socialist right in the name and he explains why he's different than the 'socialist' party of the time. T

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

The socialists were a planned economy model and the communists were a marxist model.

And they all hated each other but were all socialist. 

Don’t lecture me on topics you know nothing about.  Technically speaking communism and socialism are both Marxist ideas but they separate. Marx believed state-run socialism is a logical temporary stage between a capitalist state and his ideal stateless utopia of communism where there are no countries or governments or nation states.   Nazis were fervently opposed to all of this and were not socialist, period. The Nazis were authoritarian so controlled most things to their will but that’s not what socialism means. They had no desire to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor or live in some egalitarian commune. To the contrary they were the party of the rich and powerful and enforced that strict social order, which is why so many Republican anti-communists in the USA like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford and conservatives around the world including members of the British royal family celebrated and admired them early on. 
 

As you have been told repeatedly the name doesn’t mean anything: North Korea’s official name is the “Democratic Republic of Korea”. Do you think that means they’re a democratic republic?  
 

 

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Stop with the lying. I refuted the false claims, stated the facts and cited a widely acclaimed expert. 

Oh please   You did no such thing   

 

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LMAO. You re hilarious. Just because your uneducated ass can’t name a single expert on the subject (or any subject) doesn’t mean he’s a no name hack. What exactly are you disputing, that he’s a Yale professor?  That he’s written 5 books on the subject?  That he was invited to Big Think?

 

That he's an impartial source who's acutally educated on the subject. And it's pretty clear he's not 

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You don’t know a thing about him or his motives, all you know is he said something you don’t like so once again you start completely inventing claims with no supporting evidence…all to falsely accuse someone else of making claims with no evidence while defending an anonymously written conservapedia post that could have been written by literally be anyone, even a child, on a website whose stated purpose is to provide conservative-biased information. Do you know how absolutely ridiculous that makes you sound?  
 

The only pathetic arguments here are yours  

I refuted every point. Id you say the capital of Russia is Paris and I say “wrong, its Moscow” that’s refuted. Especially if I then post a video by one Americas foremost geography experts who says the same thing. 

 And keep in mind buddy you don’t even attempt to post a single shred of evidence to back up any of your nonsense because it’s all made up by you. As the expression goes “that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence” but I still gave you a video. We’ve had this argument before, I’ve given you the links, which you don’t click and complain that it’s too much reading. If I find a video of sock puppets I’ll send it your way. 

 

Blah blah lie lie bullshit bullshit.  Always the same with you. You did not refute the points, and your source is garbage.

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But I haven’t even said anything that’s controversial, it’s widely accepted common knowledge that everyone learns in high school. 

You haven't said anything at all. You posted Some twat and other than that you're only things were to try and throw insults and whine and cry. You didn't advance a position in the slightest
 

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Are you serious?  It was a cult of personality which by definition means it was a dictatorship since he was also the leader of the country. 

So when I claim he's a dictator you say I'm wrong and when I say are you saying he's not a dictator you say I'm right but still pretend that I'm wrong

Go back and read everything again kid. You looking Dumber by the minute

 

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No, you just don’t know what the word socialist means, you apply the label to anything or anyone you don’t like.  But you don’t understand the subject. 

See this is your example of trying to refute things. You just lie and throw something out there and pretend that you somehow made some sort of counterpoint. That's not how it works. I know exactly what socialism is and what socialist means. It's not radically complicated. It is painfully obvious that you don't.

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Don’t lecture me on topics you know nothing about.  Technically speaking communism and socialism are both Marxist ideas but they separate. 

 

I know a hell of a lot more than you and you make it obvious with every post. And I can tell that you know nothing about this because rather than actually make a valid point you just stick with insults and then try and claim you've rebutted things. I'm sure your level of intellectual discourse is killing them in grade four

And no, socialism and communism are not separate things. Socialism is a general term that encompasses communism. It would be like saying that capitalism laissez-faire capitalism are seperate things. 

There are dozens and dozens of different types and flavors and models of socialism. About the only thing they really all have in common absolutely is they control the economy either through Collective ownership of one model or another or by extensive and overbearing regulation of a private market.

The fact that you don't understand this demonstrates that you really have no clue what you're talking about

 

And the name does mean something. Hitler explained in great detail what the name meant and they actually lived up to that. What you mean is that you don't like that Nazis were socialists because it makes you feel bad about your chosen political leaning and so you deny the obvious truth. I suppose someone so stupid that he believes that there's only one type of socialism as you do might get confused by it but I'm afraid that's just not accurate

The Nazis were socialist. They believed in strict control of the economy and the means of production through regulation and partial ownership of an otherwise free market. The expressly believed that this should be for the benefit of the state and the people as a group and that the people and the corporations had a duty to the goals and vision of that state. 
 

 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

The socialists were a planned economy model and the communists were a marxist model.

This more of your made up gibberish. Communism by definition is a planned economy and communists believe you must first have socialism to get to communism. 
 

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

They absolutely are. pretty much by definition. I"m thinking that the problem here is you don't know what 'socialist' means. 

LMAO absolutely NOT by definition!  YOU don’t know what socialism means.  Your self-taught, self-invented gibberish is amusing though. So please provide us with  a definition. But don’t make one up, go online and provide a link. Someplace credible like an actual encyclopedia or something not conservapedia. 
 

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

So you couldn't name even one   LOLOLOL

In any case, yes it can happen but it's far far far far less likely.

LMAO no, too many to name! Most dictatorships are not socialists, pick any. Here is a non-exhaustive list:

Putin is a right wing dictator.

Viktor Orban is a pro-Putin darling of republicans and has turned his formerly democratic country into a right wing authoritarian state  

Trump’s right wing dictator buddy Bukele in El Salvador

Edogan in Turkey

Modi in India 

Lukashenko in Belarus 

Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Pakistan, all conservative dictatorships, none are socialist

Many of the juntas and dictators  of Africa, especially Uganda and the pro-Russian juntas of the Sahel. . 

The right wing junta that ruled Greece in the 60s and 70s  

The bloody right wing dictators and generalisimos of central and South America that the US backed during the cold war like Augusto Pinochet and Fulgencio Batista amongst others.

 Francisco Franco of Spain

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

I don't think you know what socialism is at all. 

I’ve studied it in university and read about it most of my adult life while you have invented your own gibberish nonsense that defies established facts and logic, based on nothing but a desire to slap that label on anything you want to associate with people you don’t like.  
 

Rather than actually learn history you’ve tried to reverse engineer an understanding of it by extrapolating from the diet of constant right wing propaganda you obviously consume regularly and you think it sounds credible but just comes out as nonsense. 
 

On 6/14/2025 at 5:46 PM, CdnFox said:

Facism and nazism are NOT the same thing.  Just as naziism and the socialist party were not the same thing, even though they both called themselves socialist. 

Hitler’s Mussolini’s, Franco and Pinochet all practiced different dorms of fascism. But they are all forms of fascism and none were socialist But they were all socially conservative, economically right wing, and all supported by the wealthy right wing members of their country, including republicans in the USA. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

This more of your made up gibberish. Communism by definition is a planned economy and communists believe you must first have socialism to get to communism. 
 

LMAO absolutely NOT by definition!  YOU don’t know what socialism means.  Your self-taught, self-invented gibberish is amusing though. So please provide us with  a definition. But don’t make one up, go online and provide a link. Someplace credible like an actual encyclopedia or something not conservapedia. 
 

LMAO no, too many to name! Most dictatorships are not socialists, pick any. Here is a non-exhaustive list:

Putin is a right wing dictator.

Viktor Orban is a pro-Putin darling of republicans and has turned his formerly democratic country into a right wing authoritarian state  

Trump’s right wing dictator buddy Bukele in El Salvador

Edogan in Turkey

 

in India 

Lukashenko in Belarus 

Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Pakistan, all conservative dictatorships, none are socialist

Many of the juntas and dictators  of Africa, especially Uganda and the pro-Russian juntas of the Sahel. . 

The right wing junta that ruled Greece in the 60s and 70s  

The bloody right wing dictators and generalisimos of central and South America that the US backed during the cold war like Augusto Pinochet and Fulgencio Batista amongst others.

 Francisco Franco of Spain

I’ve studied it in university and read about it most of my adult life while you have invented your own gibberish nonsense that defies established facts and logic, based on nothing but a desire to slap that label on anything you want to associate with people you don’t like.  
 

Rather than actually learn history you’ve tried to reverse engineer an understanding of it by extrapolating from the diet of constant right wing propaganda you obviously consume regularly and you think it sounds credible but just comes out as nonsense. 
 

Hitler’s Mussolini’s, Franco and Pinochet all practiced different dorms of fascism. But they are all forms of fascism and none were socialist But they were all socially conservative, economically right wing, and all supported by the wealthy right wing members of their country, including republicans in the USA. 

Yawn.  lets do a quick check.  Facts.... nope .... angry rhetoric unsupported by reason or logic... yep Addresses the issues raised? Nope. 

 

So back to your old trick of when you can't argue what we were discussing you change the topic and pretend  we were arguing the new one all along,  How boring, 

And if you went to university go demand your money back. You are an utter failure, 

There's no reverse engineering here, Once you take the hatred and bigotry that blinds you out of it, the historical records are pretty clear 

You obviously know nothing and yet pretend otherwise to defend your tribe, Pathetic. You didn't even know that communism is a type of socalism.  Studied it? Please, give me a break. 

Sorry kiddo, putin is not right wing. 

I can go through and list why each of your examples is just bullshit lies, but its' moot.  Socialists are MORE PRONE to it. I did not say exclusive and in fact i was very careful to point out otherwise, 

Sorry kiddo, I guess NO socialists have EVER been dictators as long as you change the definition of socialism to exclude them  

 

Next time talk about something you know something about. You're embarrassing yourself

 

[eyeball]

On 6/14/2025 at 7:57 PM, CdnFox said:

I take it Einstein is one of the voices in your head that you've named?

Nope, he's an important voice from history. I guess you've never taken the time to read anything he wrote about -  least of all anything along these lines.

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/einstein/1948/12/02.htm

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope, he's an important voice from history. I guess you've never taken the time to read anything he wrote about -  least of all anything along these lines.

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/einstein/1948/12/02.htm

Kid i've read more things that Einstein wrote than you've read period   But most of it involved physics. 

In this case as i suspected you took it entirely 100 percent out of context. Or are you now claiming that the Jews are nazis? Wouldn't be the first time we heard that from the left on this forum. 

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Or are you now claiming that the Jews are nazis?

No Jews are just religious folks. As for Israel and Irgun and their treatment of Palestinians I'll go with Einstein's observation.

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No Jews are just religious folks. As for Israel and Irgun and their treatment of Palestinians I'll go with Einstein's observation.

So you're saying israel is a  nazi state. 

 

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you're saying israel is a  nazi state.

If that's what you think Einstein is saying, address it.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If that's what you think Einstein is saying, address it.

You're supporting it and claiming you'll "go with it" so it would be up to you to address it. 

Calling jews nazi's is pretty disgusting. And you can't seperate calling the gov't and the nation 'nazi" from calling the people nazis. 

This is a new low for you,