National Guard and Marines about to be deployed to LA!

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

Funny how the melodramatic militarized reaction to a minor LA protest happened right in the middle of the Elon Musk breakup spat, right after taco got called out for not releasing the epstein files. 

Funny how the left calls tens of thousands of people burning and looting private property and attacking police while armed with various missiles and weapons for over three days forcing curfew to be imposed a 'minor' protest and yet insists that a thousand people who protested in the capital for a few hours are a THREAT TO THE NATION AND THE ENTIRE WORLD AND OUR DEMOCRACY WAS ALMOST DESTROYED!!! FREAK OUT!!!!

 

[Matthew]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Funny how the left calls tens of thousands of people burning and looting private property and attacking police while armed with various missiles and weapons for over three days forcing curfew to be imposed a 'minor' protest 

Riots are a normal part of law enforcement in many big cities and there was nothing noteworthy about the level of rioting in LA. 

[User]

3 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Riots are a normal part of law enforcement in many big cities and there was nothing noteworthy about the level of rioting in LA. 

If this were just some random rioting... sure, but when their targets are federal buildings and federal officers carrying out their jobs, then no, it is not normal and not going to be tolerated. 

 

[Matthew]

4 minutes ago, User said:

If this were just some random rioting... sure, but when their targets are federal buildings and federal officers carrying out their jobs, then no, it is not normal and not going to be tolerated. 

 

Weak argument considering the rioting was calmed down by LAPD before the guard and marines were even deployed,  and that the attention drawn by the deliberately antagonistic use of these troops seems designed to illicit more rioting. If the intent was to protect federal personnel, deliberately provoking more rioting potentially on a far larger nationwide scale just puts more of them at risk. 

[User]

7 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Weak argument considering the rioting was calmed down by LAPD before the guard and marines were even deployed,  and that the attention drawn by the deliberately antagonistic use of these troops seems designed to illicit more rioting. If the intent was to protect federal personnel, deliberately provoking more rioting potentially on a far larger nationwide scale just puts more of them at risk. 

It is a factual statement. It was not an argument, that the violence was targetting federal officers and buildings. 

Your statement that it was calmed down by LAPD is not a factual statement. 

It is a baseless assertion you are making to say deploying these soliers and Marines are designed to illicit more rioting. 

Then again, if LAPD can control all this, what is the concern?

 

 

[Matthew]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Your statement that it was calmed down by LAPD is not a factual statement. 

Sure it is, one day after announcing the deployment, trump himself had a giant tweet about how the rioting had calmed down, claiming it was because of his troops, even though none of them were there yet.

[User]

Just now, Matthew said:

Sure it is, one day after announcing the deployment, trump himself had a giant tweet about how the rioting had calmed down, claiming it was because of his troops, even though none of them were there yet.

Sure, and yet the rioting and violence continued... which is why the troops remain. 

Again, I deal in facts. 

 

[Matthew]

5 minutes ago, User said:

It is a baseless assertion you are making to say deploying these soliers and Marines are designed to illicit more rioting. 

It's a claim based on the circumstances. Marines have zero training in crowd control or policing practices. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason to include then is as a provocation.

Just now, User said:

Sure, and yet the rioting and violence continued

Sure once trump turned it into a national spectacle it ramped back up.

[Deluge]

34 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Riots are a normal part of law enforcement in many big cities and there was nothing noteworthy about the level of rioting in LA. 

LA very much stands for rioting. It also stands for drug abuse, homelessness and criminal activity; just like the democrat party stands for rioting, drug abuse, homelessness and criminal activity. And let's not forget illegal immigration.  

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

tens of thousands of people burning and looting private property and attacking police

Riots happen in many big cities around the world and police are trained and accustomed to dealing with it as a periodic law enforcement issue. 

[User]

10 minutes ago, Matthew said:

It's a claim based on the circumstances. Marines have zero training in crowd control or policing practices. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason to include then is as a provocation.

Well, this is a lie. The Marines are training right now and they do get some training on this depending on the unit and deployment needs. 

They are not there to be police, they are there to stand guard over a building and protect property. 

You literally have no clue what you are talking about. 

Never mind the complete lack of logic behind simply concluding that even if they didn't have training, their only purpose is provocation. 

18 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Sure once trump turned it into a national spectacle it ramped back up.

Trump has no control over the actions of a lawless mob. 

These soldiers are literally just standing around federal buildings. Trying to blame the lawlessness on that is absurd. 

8 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Riots happen in many big cities around the world and police are trained and accustomed to dealing with it as a periodic law enforcement issue. 

Well, next time the LAPD better be more quick to do so and have leaders that condemn that violence instead of ignoring it and announcing to the world it isn't really happening. 

 

[Matthew]

19 minutes ago, Deluge said:

LA very much stands for rioting. It also stands for drug abuse, homelessness and criminal activity

The greater LA area is one of the biggest urban areas in the world and is an important part of the country.

I lived for a few years in a cute rural Iowa town of 2000 people that was an hour away from the nearest highway. It was riddled with alcoholism, poverty, and drug use. These aren't things unique to big cities or southern California. 

If you're writing people off as unworthy because they have these things in their society, then you're writing off most of the country. 

Edited Friday at 06:21 PM by Matthew

[Matthew]

1 minute ago, User said:

The Marines are training right now

On the spot training is not the same as years of institutionalized training and practice that the police and Guard receive.

 

2 minutes ago, User said:

They are not there to be police, they are there to stand guard over a building

They not trained to do that,  either in a civilian environment.

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, Matthew said:

The greater LA area is

The greater LA area is one of the biggest urban areas in the world and is an important part of the country.

I lived for a few years in a cute rural Iowa town of 2000 people that was an hour away from the nearest highway. It was riddled with alcoholism, poverty, and drug use. These aren't things unique to big cities or southern California. 

If you're writing people off as unworthy because they have these things in their society, then you're writing off most of the country. 

I'm writing off democrat leadership. 

LA used to be a charming, FANTASTIC place to visit. I know because I have family there and used to visit yearly. But thanks to the democrats, it's now a total shithole.

You're as dumb as Bass and Newsom if you think everything's going just fine down there. 

Edited Friday at 06:24 PM by Deluge

[Venandi]

37 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Marines have zero training in crowd control...

I love the blanket statements here...

This is from 11 years ago and I bet they still train it today. When I was in Ontario, we trained with the OPP semi regularly and they even hired actors. If memory serves, the members we trained with didn't train it much more often than we did. They certainly spent way (and I mean WAY) less time at the range.   

Anyway, If you were to suggest that hired actors are better than Marine actors though I'd have to agree.

 

 

Edited Friday at 06:32 PM by Venandi

[User]

5 minutes ago, Matthew said:

On the spot training is not the same as years of institutionalized training and practice that the police and Guard receive.

You do not need "Years" of training in riot control tactics and basic property protection. 

Not even police get this, they go to academies for maybe a few months where they spend a day or two on any given subject, tactic, or technique. 

The fact that the Marines have spent even a few days training for just this purpose gives them more training than the average police offiver has. 

Once again, you have no damn clue what you are talking about. 

7 minutes ago, Matthew said:

They not trained to do that,  either in a civilian environment.

Marines in the infantry do little more than train on tactics for defending positions as well as how to engage in hand to hand combat techniques. 

The average Marine still gets some training in all of those things regularly each year. 

They also do extensive training for urban environments, especially since 9/11, as the war on terror has dictated operating in them. 

Once again, you have no damn clue what you are talking about. 

 

4 minutes ago, Venandi said:

I love the blanket statements here...

He doesn't give a shit, he just says crap to say it, regardless of knowing if it is true or not. Just pure ignorance. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

Riots are a normal part of law enforcement in many big cities and there was nothing noteworthy about the level of rioting in LA. 

That is patently false and insane. 

Rioting at this level is not common at all. It's maybe once or twice a decade. 

And it greatly surpasses police staffing levels for what is actually "Normal" circumstances. 

 

32 minutes ago, Matthew said:

They not trained to do that,  either in a civilian environment.

Its a shame then that the rioters have made it necessary

[Matthew]

3 hours ago, User said:

You do not need "Years" of training in riot control tactics and basic property protection. 

It's not that anyone needs years to learn crowd control formations and tactics. It's that when one is trained in aggressive deadly warfare tactics, switching to non-deadly has been challenging in the previous attempts to use marines for that purpose. 

[User]

7 minutes ago, Matthew said:

It's not that anyone needs years to learn crowd control formations and tactics. It's that when one is trained in aggressive deadly warfare tactics, switching to non-deadly has been challenging in the previous attempts to use marines for that purpose. 

You just go from one bullshit claim to the next. 

What are these previous attempts to use Marines for riot control/protecting government buildings like this?

Marines are trained on deadly force escalation and rules of engagement; none of that changes here. Marines are not trained just to kill first, as if anything else must now be a new skill. Marines stand various guard posts throughout their duty all over and all over base in positions that do not mandate deadly force as the first resort. 

You are beyond ignorant on this stuff and instead of just admitting you are wrong, you just spew more BS. 

[herbie]

So what's the difference between Americans and Canadians?

You send in the Marines, we give G7 protesters 3 designated areas they can protest in.

BTW how's Sheriff Pigg with the 1963 haircut doin'? Come out an said he's sorry to have missed the days of turning dogs and firehoses on black school children? Oink Oink!

Edited Saturday at 08:40 PM by herbie

[User]

14 minutes ago, herbie said:

So what's the difference between Americans and Canadians?

You send in the Marines, we give G7 protesters 3 designated areas they can protest in.

BTW how's Sheriff Pigg with the 1963 haircut doin'? Come out an said he's sorry to have missed the days of turning dogs and firehoses on black school children? Oink Oink!

Well, it helps if you start by being honest. 

We did not send in the Marines to deal with protestors. Today, all across the country, lawful protests are going on for the No Kings stupidity. No Marines needed. 

When violent mobs formed to surround and attack ICE officers and government buildings in LA while the local Democrat authorities ignored it, pretended it was not happening, and criticized ICE... Marines mobilized and sent in. 

 

 

[eyeball]

Where were the Marines on Jan 6 2021?

Maybe it's best to be careful about what I'm asking.

[User]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Where were the Marines on Jan 6 2021?

Maybe it's best to be careful about what I'm asking.

Well, there are about 200K of them deployed and stationed all over the World. Did you have a more specific question?

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, User said:

Well, there are about 200K of them deployed and stationed all over the World.

I guess there were none to spare when a violent mob formed to surround and attack the US Capital.

 

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I guess there were none to spare when a violent mob formed to surround and attack the US Capital.

 

That was over in less than 3 hours. 

You think Marines are just sitting around in drop ships that can hit the ground in a moment's notice or something?

I mean, really, what other ignorant observations do you want to make?