Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?

[robosmith]

42 minutes ago, taxme said:

Oh, here we go again. You just cannot stop btinging up the $800 lawsuit, can you. Why is it that nwhen you cannot win an argument with me, you go and bring up the $800 bullshit nonsense. You seem to want to ignore that CNN had lawsuits brought against that communist outfit for lying and in the end had to pay up. Ha-ha-ha.   

$800M (NOT $800)  is A LOT OF MONEY.

You seem far more concerned about being reminded of that, than you are about being LIED TO by FOS LIES. LMAO

Sorry to invade your safe space with BAD NEWS about FOS LIES, though it seems you're angry about being INFORMED because they tell you WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

 

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, User said:

No, as my response said then and over and over again since then, YOU brought it up. It doesn't matter if it was in something you quoted, YOU BROUGHT IT UP, and then you accused me of bringing it up. 

Clearly you are obsessed with a non issue.  Who brought up Jan. 6 has nothing to do with lies.  I never intentionally lied about Jan. 6 or anything to do with who brought it up.   I am tired of your wasting our time on here constantly falsely accusing me of lies.  That is not what the forum is for.   I put you on the ignore list for now.

Edited Tuesday at 08:18 PM by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

He was never charged for anything and found not guilty for anything.

Wow!  Talk about ignorance.  Where have you been hiding?  This has been in the news frequently over the last four years.  I am not going to waste my time posting news articles about it.  You don't accept any facts anyway.  

[User]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Clearly you are obsessed with a non issue.  Who brought up Jan. 6 has nothing to do with lies.  I never intentionally lied about Jan. 6 or anything to do with who brought it up.   I am tired of your wasting our time on here constantly falsely accusing me of lies.  That is not what the forum is for.   I put you on the ignore list for now.

You did more than lie. You have spent the last week doing even worse in your dishonest behavior in refusing to admit it and playing dumb or outright ignoring it when called out. 

YOU made it an issue, YOU continued to make it an issue every time YOU continued to lie and play these dishonest games. 

Even now, you still won't admit what you have done, that you were wrong, or apologize or own up to anything. 

So, you run away like a coward now. 
 

[Matthew]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

The 14h Amendment was no doubt meant for American citizen's only.

The previous clause uses the word citizens, and talks about the privileges and immunities of citizens. But this clause is about people in general and is about due process, which is afforded to all people within a state. 

4 hours ago, taxme said:

How does any illegal have any rights at all in America if they are not an American citizen?

Do you believe you can legally murder a non-citizen or steal their property? Obviously in a society with rule of law the first starting place is that nobody can just do whatever they want to another person. Hence due process for all people. 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

Read what it says.  ""nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."  (14th Amendment)"

It says "any person".   It does not say only an American citizen.   Any person is any person, even illegal immigrants.  The fact is there are many people in the U.S. who are not American citizens.  There are lawful permanent residents or Green Card holders.  There are visitors and tourists.  There are foreign students and people with Visas.  There are people with passports visiting or on business from other countries and there documented and undocumented immigrants.  The 14th amendment applies to everyone.

It is for sure that Trump will not be agreeing with what you are saying. Trump is removing illegals from America every day. Trump has every right to remove all illegals out of the country if they are not citizen's of America. No one who is not an American are secure from being removed out of America if they are illegals. 

Do you have a problem with Trump removing illegal criminals? 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, robosmith said:

$800M (NOT $800)  is A LOT OF MONEY.

You seem far more concerned about being reminded of that, than you are about being LIED TO by FOS LIES. LMAO

Sorry to invade your safe space with BAD NEWS about FOS LIES, though it seems you're angry about being INFORMED because they tell you WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

 

 

You are the one that appears to be more concerned about the $800 lawsuit and who keeps wanting to keep bringing it up. Okay, we got your bullshit. Take a break, will ya. But aren't you getting a little bored with that $800 million bullshit? What else can you come up with that you can produce to try and make FOX NEWS look bad? You are really starting to become a real bore, 800 million dollar commie man. LOL.

[Deluge]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

Read what it says.  ""nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."  (14th Amendment)"

It says "any person".   It does not say only an American citizen.   Any person is any person, even illegal immigrants.  The fact is there are many people in the U.S. who are not American citizens.  There are lawful permanent residents or Green Card holders.  There are visitors and tourists.  There are foreign students and people with Visas.  There are people with passports visiting or on business from other countries and there documented and undocumented immigrants.  The 14th amendment applies to everyone.

Wrong. 

The US constitution is written for citizens, not everyone. If the US constitution were written for everyone then it wouldn't be the US constitution - it would be the Everyone constitution. 

Since the US constitution is not the Everyone constitution, then it's obvious that that 14 amendment applies to citizens only. This is why President Trump is aggressively deporting illegal aliens - because the constitution was written for US citizens not everyone. 

Get it? 

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:40 PM by Deluge

[taxme]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

Wow!  Talk about ignorance.  Where have you been hiding?  This has been in the news frequently over the last four years.  I am not going to waste my time posting news articles about it.  You don't accept any facts anyway.  

I have not been hiding. I am still here debating with you. Hello! o, where or what has Trump been charged with and why is Trump not in jail for his so called phony trumped up charges? Your ignorance about Trump is overwhelming. 

Trump is doing a great job at getting rid of the illegal criminals in America and it was FOX NEWS that gave me this great information. CNN or MSNBC or the CBC would never report anything about all of the criminal illegals that Trump has been deporting. Actually, those traitorous outfits are fighting and trying to keep those criminal illegal bad hombres in America and it does appear as though you want those illegal criminals to stay here and have due process.

You are insane when you keep thinking that illegal criminals should have due process, mac. The only due process that they should have is to boot them out of the America due process. Why you want all illegals to have due process is beyond me. 

[taxme]

20 hours ago, Matthew said:

The previous clause uses the word citizens, and talks about the privileges and immunities of citizens. But this clause is about people in general and is about due process, which is afforded to all people within a state. 

Do you believe you can legally murder a non-citizen or steal their property? Obviously in a society with rule of law the first starting place is that nobody can just do whatever they want to another person. Hence due process for all people. 

It says American citizen's only and not the rest of the world. If someone is in a foreign country illegally then they can and should be deported. It's an immigration policy and a crime. No one who is an illegal has any rights. They are seen as criminals for entering America illegally. What don't you get here? 

[robosmith]

32 minutes ago, taxme said:

You are the one that appears to be more concerned about the $800 lawsuit and who keeps wanting to keep bringing it up. Okay, we got your bullshit. Take a break, will ya. But aren't you getting a little bored with that $800 million bullshit?

NOT bullshit, FACT.

32 minutes ago, taxme said:

What else can you come up with that you can produce to try and make FOX NEWS look bad?

I didn't produce THEIR LIES. Duh

32 minutes ago, taxme said:

You are really starting to become a real bore, 800 million dollar commie man. LOL.

Once they have to pay $800M for LYING, their CREDIBILITY IS SHOT and ONLY A FOOL would ever believe them again.

And ONLY A FOOL believes a that a "news" organization LYING is merely a BORE. It is a contradiction of their NAME.

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

It is for sure that Trump will not be agreeing with what you are saying.

Of course he doesn't agree because he doesn't follow the Constitution and law.

The Constitution says "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

Seems pretty clear to me.  I already pointed out it says "any person"  but you ignore it.  I guess you prefer fascism.  

He prefers to appease his MAGA base who don't seem to have much respect for human rights or Constitutional law.  

Edited Wednesday at 07:56 PM by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Trump is doing a great job

"he latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, released June 16, show Trump’s numbers hover at 42 percent, with Americans growing less supportive of his approach to immigration and crackdowns. Trump’s stance on immigration dropped from 47 percent in May to 44 percent."

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Trump is doing a great job at getting rid of the illegal criminals in America

Looks like he is doing a poor job in almost every thing he is involved in.

Look at the tariff mess.

The deportation issue is a disaster.  You think it is fine, but if you were a undocumented migrant trying to survive in a cruel world, you might not think what is happening is good.

Trump claimed that when he becomes President, he would end the war in Ukraine in one day.  Sure.  He has been in office about five months.  What happened?

The middle east is a mess and seems to be getting worse.

The only thing good I can think of is he motivated Canada to do a few things like tighten up the border and he helped push the government to increase military spending to reach at least 2% of GDP for NATO.  It hasn't been done yet;  we will see how well Carney does with it.

But he seems hostile to much of the west and appears to want to appease Putin.  What a disaster that is.

Not sure yet how the Iran/Israel conflict will go and what he will do with that.

Edited Wednesday at 08:28 PM by blackbird

[User]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Of course he doesn't agree because he doesn't follow the Constitution and law.

You are the one advocating for the lawlessness of illegal immigration here...

[Matthew]

9 hours ago, taxme said:

No one who is an illegal has any rights. They are seen as criminals for entering America illegally.

You keep claiming this without any support or rationale. Its ignorant wishful thinking. Even convicted murderers still maintain certain legal rights in the United States, including due process. 

[taxme]

On 6/18/2025 at 1:16 PM, blackbird said:

"he latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, released June 16, show Trump’s numbers hover at 42 percent, with Americans growing less supportive of his approach to immigration and crackdowns. Trump’s stance on immigration dropped from 47 percent in May to 44 percent."

You still cannot stop listening to the MSM lieberal lies and bullshit. Reuters/Ipsos are lieberal outfits that like to spread lies and bullshit about Trump and immigration. How would you know if their numbers are right or wrong anyway? From what i have heard on FOX NEWS and other conservative sources, the MAGA people are still all in favor of Trump continuing to deporting illegals. 

Why the Demonrat communists want to keep fighting to keep illegal Mexican gangbangers, pedophiles, rapists and murderers, from all over the 3rd world, in America is beyond me. That pos scum should have no rights to due process at all. What the hell is wrong with you wanting to support that kind of scum that they should have due process who commits all kinds of crimes. Hello. 

Trump is trying to get rid of that criminal scum, and you think that Trump is wrong by trying to do so, and that you would prefer to want that scum to have due process. It is lieberals like you that keep trying to mess up the world with your bleeding heart white lieberal guilt bullshit. I do not want them here, so why do you? 

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, taxme said:

Trump is trying to get rid of that criminal scum,

Nobody would oppose that idea if it was done according to the Constitution and due process.  The trouble is you don't believe in that.  

 

[taxme]

On 6/18/2025 at 1:26 PM, blackbird said:

Looks like he is doing a poor job in almost every thing he is involved in.

Look at the tariff mess.

The deportation issue is a disaster.  You think it is fine, but if you were a undocumented migrant trying to survive in a cruel world, you might not think what is happening is good.

Trump claimed that when he becomes President, he would end the war in Ukraine in one day.  Sure.  He has been in office about five months.  What happened?

The middle east is a mess and seems to be getting worse.

The only thing good I can think of is he motivated Canada to do a few things like tighten up the border and he helped push the government to increase military spending to reach at least 2% of GDP for NATO.  It hasn't been done yet;  we will see how well Carney does with it.

But he seems hostile to much of the west and appears to want to appease Putin.  What a disaster that is.

Not sure yet how the Iran/Israel conflict will go and what he will do with that.

The tariff mess is all due to Canada's fault. The lieberals were told to do something about the border and to stop illegals and drugs from entering America from Canada, and Canada did nothing. Why does Canada charge 140% tariff on eggs that are shipped to America. Does that seem alright and fair to you?

Of course, those high tariffs on eggs is to help keep the Marxist lieberal egg marketing board alive and well and force egg growers to have quotas. Drop the egg marketing board and let's go free enterprise. I will be that we would see egg prices fall drastically. Canada is just as much fault with the tariff situation in Canada. It would be great if America and Canada would drop all tariffs on each other. 

Trump is trying to do is best to stop all the wars going on. If you think that it is so easy, then what would you do in five months to try and stop all wars? You would probably have no clue as to where to start or be able to stop the wars at all. 

Everything is always about blaming Trump. What about our darling Canadian lieberals who have done nothing in ten years to try and help keep and make Canada great. On  the contrary, they have done everything they can to try and destroy Canada. Trump is not Canada's problem. It is the communist lieberals in Canada that keep phking up Canada with their woke Marxist bullshit. I am fed up listening to all of this Trump bashing going on. Mind your own business and start bashing the lieberals. They are your problem. ☹️

[taxme]

17 hours ago, Matthew said:

You keep claiming this without any support or rationale. Its ignorant wishful thinking. Even convicted murderers still maintain certain legal rights in the United States, including due process. 

Are you for real? My rationale tells me that illegals have no right to due process. They entered America illegally and are now seen as criminals for doing so. It is said that if every illegal in America today is given due process, it would take many years for the many of the million illegals in America today to get their due process. That is so bloody ridiculous to even try. to give them all due process. So, why do you want to allow illegal criminals to have due process is beyond me. They deserve no due process period. 

Of course convicted American murderers have certain rights in the USA, including due process because they are  American citizens. But illegal criminal murderers should have no rights but they do get their day in court. 

So, just what is your point here? 🤔

[blackbird]

39 minutes ago, taxme said:

Why does Canada charge 140% tariff on eggs that are shipped to America. Does that seem alright and fair to you?

I don't think that is exactly how it works.   The purpose of supply management is to ensure there is a stable agricultural industry in Canada.  That is why it exists.  The alternative would be to just let the Canadian farm industry freely compete with the American system which is more volatile and unstable and the American industry is many times the size of the Canadian industry.  That could be a disaster for Canadian farmers and consumers.

" The stability of supply management avoids the boom-and-bust cycles found in the United States, where taxpayer subsidies are a feature of the dairy industry and where farm bankruptcies and bailouts are not uncommon. Under supply management, there is no need for taxpayer bailouts or subsidies."

Supply Management in Canada | The Canadian Encyclopedia

[taxme]

53 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't think that is exactly how it works.   The purpose of supply management is to ensure there is a stable agricultural industry in Canada.  That is why it exists.  The alternative would be to just let the Canadian farm industry freely compete with the American system which is more volatile and unstable and the American industry is many times the size of the Canadian industry.  That could be a disaster for Canadian farmers and consumers.

" The stability of supply management avoids the boom-and-bust cycles found in the United States, where taxpayer subsidies are a feature of the dairy industry and where farm bankruptcies and bailouts are not uncommon. Under supply management, there is no need for taxpayer bailouts or subsidies."

Supply Management in Canada | The Canadian Encyclopedia

I believe in the free enterprise and capitalism system. That is what in the beginning built up America and Canada. In those days there was no government being involved in anything and pretty much all went well. Tariffs and marketing and more government getting involved with everything is what is causing more problems then they are worth. Socialism is not the solution, free enterprise is. Years ago Canada got rid of the Canadian Wheat Board and Canada did not go belly up because of abolishing the wheat board.

The problem with Canada today is that we have way too much government involvement in everything. When did or has the government did something good to help make Canada prosperous and Canadians rich? All the governments of Canada ever seem to do is to try and stifle growth and not encourage it. Alberta is mighty peeved off these days because of the  Ottawa Marxists that will not allow Alberta to see it's potential.

Hundreds of thousands of new jobs lost and hundreds of billions also lost because of the Marxist lieberal politicians in Ottawa that refuse to stay the phk out of Alberta's business. Just keep it up Ottawa because if Alberta decides to go then it is for sure that the rest of Canada will be gone also. Hey, we never know, eh? 🫠

[Aristides]

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/afghan-translator-for-us-military-arrested-by-ice-san-diego-courthouse/509-ac5b0aa6-b6eb-48ee-8362-ed94806769d9

 

A person would have to be a complete fool to be a local working for US forces in war zones.

[User]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Nobody would oppose that idea if it was done according to the Constitution and due process.  The trouble is you don't believe in that.  

This is another lie as you have repeatedly argued against deporting illegal immigrants even with due process here. 

 

[User]

51 minutes ago, Aristides said:

A person would have to be a complete fool to be a local working for US forces in war zones.

A person would have to be a complete fool just to believe whatever media headlines they read...

He has had this entire time to apply for asylum or permanent legal status based on any work he did with the US, and he has not done so. He will have due process now to present his case if there is any merit to it.