Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?

[blackbird]

On 6/11/2025 at 10:18 AM, User said:

You are nothing but a lousy pathetic liar. YOU brought it up:

"Unlike the January 6 riots at the Capitol, the protests in Los Angeles were largely peaceful. "

Yes, four people died as a result of the Jan. 6th riots and illegal breaking into government buildings.  NO lie at all.

And Trump and ICE have been acting like fascists.  Again, no lie at all.

That mean you are lying about me.  We know from the Bible who the accuser is.

[User]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yes, four people died as a result of the Jan. 6th riots and illegal breaking into government buildings.  NO lie at all.

And Trump and ICE have been acting like fascists.  Again, no lie at all.

That mean you are lying about me.  We know from the Bible who the accuser is.

Another lie. No, four people did not die as a result. I already explained this to you. Someone having a heart attack is not the "result" of January 6th, they merely died there during the event. 

That was not the lie I was calling out here. 

It was your insistence that I brought up January 6th when you did. 

Once again, you continue to show what a fundamentally dishonest person you are. 

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Wrong. Letting millions to flood any country in a short period of time is a bad idea. Just ask the Germans or British. 

There are different points of view on this.   Wikipedia says:

quote

July 2024 data for border crossings showed the lowest level of border crossing since September 2020.^[3] Between 2007 and 2018, visa overstays have accounted for a larger share of the growth in the illegal immigrant population than illegal border crossings,^[4] which have declined considerably from 2000 to 2018.^[5] In 2022, only 37% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico, the smallest share on record.^[6] El Salvador, India, Guatemala and Honduras were the next four largest countries.^[6] As of 2016, approximately two-thirds of illegal adult immigrants had lived in the US for at least a decade.^[7] As of 2022, unauthorized immigrants made up 3.3% of the US population, though nearly one-third of those immigrants have temporary permission to be in the United States, such as those in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.^[6]

Opponents of illegal immigration worry about crime, as well as possible social and economic burdens caused by migration.^[8] Opponents also insist immigrants enter the United States through a formal process and do not want to reward those bypassing the system.^[9][10]

Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the US economy, contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services.^{[11][12][13][14]} Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase US gross domestic product.^{[15][16][17][18]} Most scientific studies have shown that illegal immigrants commit less crime than natives and legal immigrants.^[19][20][21] Sanctuary cities—which adopt policies designed to avoid prosecuting people solely for being in the country illegally—have no statistically meaningful impact on crime.^[22][23] Research suggests that immigration enforcement has no impact on crime rates.^[22][24][25]

^unquote

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

 

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, User said:

Another lie. No, four people did not die as a result. I already explained this to you. Someone having a heart attack is not the "result" of January 6th, they merely died there during the event. 

That was not the lie I was calling out here. 

It was your insistence that I brought up January 6th when you did. 

Once again, you continue to show what a fundamentally dishonest person you are. 

 

You are a false accuser and we know from the Bible who the false accuser is.   

Do a little search about the people that died from the Jan . 6 riots.  Yes four people died as a result.   One other person died but that could be the heart attack case you are talking about.  I am not going to waste my time going into all that again with you because you don't listen to anything.  You are a total waste of time and a false accuser.  You want to spend your life on here just accusing someone of lying.  You have nothing of any value to contribute.  

[User]

Just now, blackbird said:

You are a false accuser and we know from the Bible who the false accuser is.   

Do a little search about the people that died from the Jan . 6 riots.  Yes four people died as a result.   One other person died but that could be the heart attack case you are talking about.  I am not going to waste my time going into all that again with you because you don't listen to anything.  You are a total waste of time and a false accuser.  You want to spend your life on here just accusing someone of lying.  You have nothing of any value to contribute.  

I have clearly presented to you your lie over and over and over again now. You keep ignoring it. Just like you did AGAIN here. 

Not only are you a depraved liar, you are just pathological. 

 

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There are different points of view on this.   Wikipedia says:

quote

July 2024 data for border crossings showed the lowest level of border crossing since September 2020.^[3] Between 2007 and 2018, visa overstays have accounted for a larger share of the growth in the illegal immigrant population than illegal border crossings,^[4] which have declined considerably from 2000 to 2018.^[5] In 2022, only 37% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico, the smallest share on record.^[6] El Salvador, India, Guatemala and Honduras were the next four largest countries.^[6] As of 2016, approximately two-thirds of illegal adult immigrants had lived in the US for at least a decade.^[7] As of 2022, unauthorized immigrants made up 3.3% of the US population, though nearly one-third of those immigrants have temporary permission to be in the United States, such as those in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.^[6]

Opponents of illegal immigration worry about crime, as well as possible social and economic burdens caused by migration.^[8] Opponents also insist immigrants enter the United States through a formal process and do not want to reward those bypassing the system.^[9][10]

Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the US economy, contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services.^{[11][12][13][14]} Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase US gross domestic product.^{[15][16][17][18]} Most scientific studies have shown that illegal immigrants commit less crime than natives and legal immigrants.^[19][20][21] Sanctuary cities—which adopt policies designed to avoid prosecuting people solely for being in the country illegally—have no statistically meaningful impact on crime.^[22][23] Research suggests that immigration enforcement has no impact on crime rates.^[22][24][25]

^unquote

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

 

Dude...stop Bible thumping for a minute and think.

Allowing millions of unvetted people to waltz in any nation is insanity. It causes social, cultural and economic upheaval.

Those results are not "good".

And nobody died as a result of January 6th. So please stop lying about it. That...my Christian soldier...is a sin.

Edited yesterday at 02:10 PM by Nationalist

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Dude...stop Bible thumping for a minute and think.

I quoted Wikipedia, not the Bible.  But I do sometimes quote the Bible, but didn't on this post.   So what are you talking about?   It is good to quote the Bible.  It is God's preserved, inerrant word.  It might help you not go to hell, if you pay attention.

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Allowing millions of unvetted people to waltz in any nation is insanity. It causes social, cultural and economic upheaval.

I was not talking about how people are allowed into the country or America.  The discussion was about how the fascists are deporting them.

You also have all your figures and facts wrong on the numbers.

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And nobody died as a result of January 6th. So please stop lying about it. That...my Christian soldier...is a sin.

No, I quoted news articles.  If you want to falsely accuse me of lying, you should go read the articles yourself and stop lying.

"

Here’s what we know about the lives that were lost:

Officer Brian Sicknick, 42

The U.S. Capitol Police said in a statement that Officer Brian D. Sicknick was injured “while physically engaging with protesters” during the Wednesday riot. He was the fifth person to die because of the Capitol protest and violence.

 

During the struggle at the Capitol, Sicknick, 42, was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, two law enforcement officials said. The officials could not discuss the ongoing investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

US Capitol Police officer dies from injuries in riot; federal homicide investigation opened 

His family said in a statement Friday that Sicknick wanted to be a police officer his entire life. He served in the New Jersey Air National Guard before joining the Capitol Police in 2008.

“Many details regarding Wednesday’s events and the direct causes of Brian’s injuries remain unknown, and our family asks the public and the press to respect our wishes in not making Brian’s passing a political issue,” the family said.

Ashli Babbitt, 35

 

Capitol Police on Thursday identified Babbitt, 35, as the woman who was fatally shot by an unidentified officer. Bystander video shows she was trying to climb through the broken window of a barricaded doorway inside the Capitol when the officer fired.

Babbitt, an Air Force veteran who identified as a Libertarian and supporter of the Second Amendment, frequently posted unsubstantiated views about election fraud by the president supporters.

Read: Draft Articles of Impeachment circulated by Congressional Democrats 

Kevin Greeson, 55

Greeson was from Athens, Alabama. His family says the 55-year-old had a heart attack. They described him as a supporter of President Trump’s but denied that he condoned violence.

 

Kristi Greeson, his wife said in a statement to NewsNation affiliate WKRG, “he was excited to be there to experience this event — he was not there to participate in violence or rioting, nor did he condone such actions.” She went on to say he had a history of high blood pressure and suffered a heart attack.

“Our family is devastated. We are thankful for all of the thoughts and prayers and appreciate privacy at this time as we grieve,” she wrote. “Kevin was a wonderful father and husband who loved life. He loved to ride motorcycles, he loved his job and his coworkers, and he loved his dogs.”

‘Textbook terrorism’: DC officials, Capitol police chief on riot arrests, fatal shooting 

Benjamin Philips, 50

Philips, 50, of Schuylkill County, Pa., died of a stroke, according to a report in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

 

“As my children are grieving and processing yesterday’s shocking events, I respectfully request privacy,” said Nicole Mun, Philip’s ex-wife, in a statement to the Inquirer.

Rosanne Boyland, 34

This photo provided by Justin Cave shows Rosanne Boyland. Boyland, from Kennesaw, Ga., was one of three people who died of medical emergencies during the violence inside and outside the Capitol in Washington on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021. A friend said Boyland was pinned to the ground and trampled during a violent clash between rioters and police. (Justin Cave via AP)

Boyland, 34 of Kennesaw, Georgia also died due to a medical emergency. Her family said she was a recovering drug addict who wanted to become a sobriety counselor. She believed President Trump won the November election, and she’d begun following a dark conspiracy theory that has circulated online, her family said.

“It just spiraled,” her sister, Lonna Cave, said Friday.

 

Cave said the family has heard conflicting accounts. A friend who was with her said Boyland was pinned to the ground and trampled during a violent clash between rioters and police. But her sister said a police detective told the family Boyland had collapsed while standing off to the side in the Capitol Rotunda.

Capitol police have not released details about how Boyland died.

Nexstar Media Wire and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

What we know about the 5 people who died during Wednesday’s Capitol riot | NewsNation

Edited yesterday at 02:30 PM by blackbird

[User]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Officer Brian Sicknick, 42

He died AFTER January 6th due to causes unrelated to January 6th

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Kevin Greeson, 55

He had a heart attack. How is that as a "result of" January 6th?

He could have had that anytime anywhere. 

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Benjamin Philips, 50

Yes, stroke... same thing. Not as a "result of" January 6th. 

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Rosanne Boyland, 34

She had enough drugs in her system to have died from an overdose... how is her death as a "result of" January 6th?

 

[Nationalist]

57 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I quoted Wikipedia, not the Bible.  But I do sometimes quote the Bible, but didn't on this post.   So what are you talking about?   It is good to quote the Bible.  It is God's preserved, inerrant word.  It might help you not go to hell, if you pay attention.

I was not talking about how people are allowed into the country or America.  The discussion was about how the fascists are deporting them.

You also have all your figures and facts wrong on the numbers.

No, I quoted news articles.  If you want to falsely accuse me of lying, you should go read the articles yourself and stop lying.

"

Here’s what we know about the lives that were lost:

Officer Brian Sicknick, 42

The U.S. Capitol Police said in a statement that Officer Brian D. Sicknick was injured “while physically engaging with protesters” during the Wednesday riot. He was the fifth person to die because of the Capitol protest and violence.

 

During the struggle at the Capitol, Sicknick, 42, was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, two law enforcement officials said. The officials could not discuss the ongoing investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

US Capitol Police officer dies from injuries in riot; federal homicide investigation opened 

His family said in a statement Friday that Sicknick wanted to be a police officer his entire life. He served in the New Jersey Air National Guard before joining the Capitol Police in 2008.

“Many details regarding Wednesday’s events and the direct causes of Brian’s injuries remain unknown, and our family asks the public and the press to respect our wishes in not making Brian’s passing a political issue,” the family said.

Ashli Babbitt, 35

 

Capitol Police on Thursday identified Babbitt, 35, as the woman who was fatally shot by an unidentified officer. Bystander video shows she was trying to climb through the broken window of a barricaded doorway inside the Capitol when the officer fired.

Babbitt, an Air Force veteran who identified as a Libertarian and supporter of the Second Amendment, frequently posted unsubstantiated views about election fraud by the president supporters.

Read: Draft Articles of Impeachment circulated by Congressional Democrats 

Kevin Greeson, 55

Greeson was from Athens, Alabama. His family says the 55-year-old had a heart attack. They described him as a supporter of President Trump’s but denied that he condoned violence.

 

Kristi Greeson, his wife said in a statement to NewsNation affiliate WKRG, “he was excited to be there to experience this event — he was not there to participate in violence or rioting, nor did he condone such actions.” She went on to say he had a history of high blood pressure and suffered a heart attack.

“Our family is devastated. We are thankful for all of the thoughts and prayers and appreciate privacy at this time as we grieve,” she wrote. “Kevin was a wonderful father and husband who loved life. He loved to ride motorcycles, he loved his job and his coworkers, and he loved his dogs.”

‘Textbook terrorism’: DC officials, Capitol police chief on riot arrests, fatal shooting 

Benjamin Philips, 50

Philips, 50, of Schuylkill County, Pa., died of a stroke, according to a report in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

 

“As my children are grieving and processing yesterday’s shocking events, I respectfully request privacy,” said Nicole Mun, Philip’s ex-wife, in a statement to the Inquirer.

Rosanne Boyland, 34

This photo provided by Justin Cave shows Rosanne Boyland. Boyland, from Kennesaw, Ga., was one of three people who died of medical emergencies during the violence inside and outside the Capitol in Washington on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021. A friend said Boyland was pinned to the ground and trampled during a violent clash between rioters and police. (Justin Cave via AP)

Boyland, 34 of Kennesaw, Georgia also died due to a medical emergency. Her family said she was a recovering drug addict who wanted to become a sobriety counselor. She believed President Trump won the November election, and she’d begun following a dark conspiracy theory that has circulated online, her family said.

“It just spiraled,” her sister, Lonna Cave, said Friday.

 

Cave said the family has heard conflicting accounts. A friend who was with her said Boyland was pinned to the ground and trampled during a violent clash between rioters and police. But her sister said a police detective told the family Boyland had collapsed while standing off to the side in the Capitol Rotunda.

Capitol police have not released details about how Boyland died.

Nexstar Media Wire and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

What we know about the 5 people who died during Wednesday’s Capitol riot | NewsNation

Ok ill grant you Babbit. Who was shot dead by a panicking police officer.

Illegal aliens can be deported immediately and then may apply for asylum at the nearest consulate.

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ok ill grant you Babbit. Who was shot dead by a panicking police officer.

Illegal aliens can be deported immediately and then may apply for asylum at the nearest consulate.

Where is the due process in that case?   

Applying for asylum at the nearest consulate is a complete waste of time.  Not a chance of success.

[Nationalist]

Just now, blackbird said:

Where is the due process in that case?   

Applying for asylum at the nearest consulate is a complete waste of time.  Not a chance of success.

Get this straight...

As illegal aliens they are not owed anything but deportation. That happens to be the law.

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

As illegal aliens they are not owed anything but deportation. That happens to be the law.

You obviously don't know a thing about the American Constitution and laws.

I posted a number of articles explaining a lot of it.  But you choose not to read anything.

57 minutes ago, User said:

He died AFTER January 6th due to causes unrelated to January 6th

He had a heart attack. How is that as a "result of" January 6th?

He could have had that anytime anywhere. 

Yes, stroke... same thing. Not as a "result of" January 6th. 

She had enough drugs in her system to have died from an overdose... how is her death as a "result of" January 6th?

 

We know you are in complete denial.  Useless discussion.

Edited yesterday at 03:41 PM by blackbird

[User]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Where is the due process in that case?   

Applying for asylum at the nearest consulate is a complete waste of time.  Not a chance of success.

The due process is that people can claim asylum anytime, but if they are here illegally for years and have not, then that is on them. They had their chance and thus their claim comes across as a last minute attempt to circumvent deportation and they have a far higher bar to clear to claim aslyum than others do. 

That IS due process. 

 

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

We know you are in complete denial.  Useless discussion.

I point out facts, you run away. 

Just like you are running away from your being a liar... yet again. 

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Get this straight...

As illegal aliens they are not owed anything but deportation. That happens to be the law.

"

Making America great again

Over time, Congress and the courts placed several limits on what is allowable in immigration control. For example, the 1965 Immigration Reform Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of “race, gender, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence.” And several court rulings have added a measure of constitutional protections to deportation proceedings and detention conditions.

But, in recent weeks, Trump and his advisers have tapped into the foundational architecture of U.S. immigration control to argue that the president’s executive orders on immigration control are “unreviewable” by the courts. As Trump’s senior advisor Stephen Miller put it: The president’s executive powers over immigration control “will not be questioned.”

America’s mass deportation system is rooted in racism

What they have now is a kind of dictatorship.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh blow your zucchini slaves Dweebles. Allowing millions to flood any nation all at once is just plain stupid!

It's NEVER BEEN "all at once" lDIOT.

Border crossing has been endemic FOR DECADES, but OBVIOUSLY you haven't paid attention. LMAO

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Wrong. Letting millions to flood any country in a short period of time is a bad idea. Just ask the Germans or British. 

Those seeking asylum must apply for it in the first nation encountered.

Brandon lied about not being able to close the border.

Once encountered having entered illegally, the are to be deported and then can begin asylum proceedings.

LMAO. Thanks for demonstrating your FANTASY of believing your OPINION matters.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

"

Making America great again

Over time, Congress and the courts placed several limits on what is allowable in immigration control. For example, the 1965 Immigration Reform Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of “race, gender, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence.” And several court rulings have added a measure of constitutional protections to deportation proceedings and detention conditions.

But, in recent weeks, Trump and his advisers have tapped into the foundational architecture of U.S. immigration control to argue that the president’s executive orders on immigration control are “unreviewable” by the courts. As Trump’s senior advisor Stephen Miller put it: The president’s executive powers over immigration control “will not be questioned.”

America’s mass deportation system is rooted in racism

What they have now is a kind of dictatorship.

What they have now is a natural and common sense reaction to stupidity.

Those court cases will slow things but will not stop them.

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It's NEVER BEEN "all at once" lDIOT.

Border crossing has been endemic FOR DECADES, but OBVIOUSLY you haven't paid attention. LMAO

Lol...lying again eh?

Google...good...

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Dude...stop Bible thumping for a minute and think.

Allowing millions of unvetted people to waltz in any nation is insanity. It causes social, cultural and economic upheaval.

Those results are not "good".

And nobody died as a result of January 6th. So please stop lying about it. That...my Christian soldier...is a sin.

5 cops AND Ashley Babbitt died as direct result of Jan 6th, lDIOT. 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

LMAO. Thanks for demonstrating your FANTASY of believing your OPINION matters.

My opinion does matter. If you don't like it...tough.

Just now, robosmith said:

5 cops AND Ashley Babbitt died as direct result of Jan 6th, lDIOT. 

No...just Babbit.

More lying from you...

And you're wrong again.

 

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ok ill grant you Babbit. Who was shot dead by a panicking police officer.

Illegal aliens can be deported immediately and then may apply for asylum at the nearest consulate.

Babbitt's shooter was DOING HIS JOB of protecting Congress from MOB VIOLENCE. Duh

That's why he WAS NOT CHARGED. But thanks for demonstrating your IGNORANCE AGAIN.

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

My opinion does matter. If you don't like it...tough.

Maybe to you, but it has NO EFFECT HERE.

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

No...just Babbit.

More lying from you...

And you're wrong again.

Nope, you're obviously wrong and evidence has been posted to prove YOUR OPINION WRONG.

Too bad you HAVE NONE. LMAO

[User]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Babbitt's shooter was DOING HIS JOB of protecting Congress from MOB VIOLENCE. Duh

That's why he WAS NOT CHARGED. But thanks for demonstrating your IGNORANCE AGAIN.

ICE is just doing their job of deporting illegal immigrants. 

You support that too, right? You oppose people unlawfully interfering with that, right?

 

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, User said:

ICE is just doing their job of deporting illegal immigrants. 

Your hypocrisy know no limits.    The whole thing is ordered by a convicted felon.  You whine about illegal immigrants but a convicted felon in charge is ok.

Even gone so far as to arrest and imprison good people who have been in the U.S. for decades living law-abiding lives.  Sadly you don't have any idea about justice and humane behavior.

"Popular Oregon vineyard owner arrested by ICE agents outside his church: ‘Everything was taken from him’

"

A popular Oregon vineyard owner was taken into Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody outside his church in Oregon on Thursday.

Moises Sotelo-Casas was detained outside of St. Michael’s Episcopal Church in Newberg, about 25 miles outside of Portland. His daughter, Alondra Sotelo-Garcia, told KGW8 that he’s now being held at the Northwest Detention Center in Tacoma, Washington.

She found out about her father’s detention when a neighbor spotted his truck and told her mother, she said. After confirming the car indeed belonged to her father, she tracked his location to an ICE detention facility in Portland and saw him later that day.

“I was crying, I was a mess,” she told the outlet. "He was in chains at his feet," she said. "Shoelaces were taken off, his belt was off, he didn't have his ring, he didn't have his watch. Everything was taken from him."

Her father runs a vineyard servicing business called Novo Start Vineyard Service. He’s been in the U.S. since the 1990s, but only managed to start the immigration process while President Joe Biden was in office. Things have changed since President Donald Trump came into power, she said.

"I know there's a lot of talk of, 'Well, he's been here that long, why hasn't he stepped up to do things the right way?' But sometimes laws don't play in your favor. You know, when you're trying to do it, sometimes money is a big factor. Sometimes, money and laws at the same time are just not cooperating at that time," said Sotelo-Garcia."

Popular Oregon vineyard owner arrested by ICE agents outside his church: ‘Everything was taken from him’

Edited 22 hours ago by blackbird

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your hypocrisy know no limits.    The whole thing is ordered by a convicted felon.  You whine about illegal immigrants but a convicted felon in charge is ok.

Even gone so far as to arrest and imprison good people who have been in the U.S. for decades living law-abiding lives.  Sadly you don't have any idea about justice and humane behavior.

"Popular Oregon vineyard owner arrested by ICE agents outside his church: ‘Everything was taken from him’

"

A popular Oregon vineyard owner was taken into Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody outside his church in Oregon on Thursday.

Moises Sotelo-Casas was detained outside of St. Michael’s Episcopal Church in Newberg, about 25 miles outside of Portland. His daughter, Alondra Sotelo-Garcia, told KGW8 that he’s now being held at the Northwest Detention Center in Tacoma, Washington.

She found out about her father’s detention when a neighbor spotted his truck and told her mother, she said. After confirming the car indeed belonged to her father, she tracked his location to an ICE detention facility in Portland and saw him later that day.

“I was crying, I was a mess,” she told the outlet. "He was in chains at his feet," she said. "Shoelaces were taken off, his belt was off, he didn't have his ring, he didn't have his watch. Everything was taken from him."

Her father runs a vineyard servicing business called Novo Start Vineyard Service. He’s been in the U.S. since the 1990s, but only managed to start the immigration process while President Joe Biden was in office. Things have changed since President Donald Trump came into power, she said.

"I know there's a lot of talk of, 'Well, he's been here that long, why hasn't he stepped up to do things the right way?' But sometimes laws don't play in your favor. You know, when you're trying to do it, sometimes money is a big factor. Sometimes, money and laws at the same time are just not cooperating at that time," said Sotelo-Garcia."

Popular Oregon vineyard owner arrested by ICE agents outside his church: ‘Everything was taken from him’

yeah pretty much all of that is complete bullshit.

You've allowed your bigotry and fanaticism to blind you. And everyone who disagrees with you is a no good very bad Hitler, but we're supposed to learn about compassion from you.

They are in the country illegally, they knew what they were doing, now they must leave. They can always apply to enter the country legally

[User]

55 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your hypocrisy know no limits.    The whole thing is ordered by a convicted felon.  You whine about illegal immigrants but a convicted felon in charge is ok.

No, the whole think is Federal law, long before Trump became President. This isn't hypocrisy on my part, you are the one who doesn't want to enforce law here... so you bring up Trump to justify that. 

That is your hypocrisy, not mine. 

57 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Even gone so far as to arrest and imprison good people who have been in the U.S. for decades living law-abiding lives.  Sadly you don't have any idea about justice and humane behavior.

"good" people... who violated the law to come here or stay here illegally?

Yeah, so, if I rob banks but otherwise live a good life... and do it for 20 years, should I not face any consequences or is it.. oh, I have a family and I have been here for 20 years living a good life! 

At the end of the day, you are just coming up with excuses to ignore the law and support this lawlessness. 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Your hypocrisy know no limits. 

Notice you have run away from your lie once again...

[blackbird]

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They are in the country illegally, they knew what they were doing, now they must leave. They can always apply to enter the country legally

1.  If one is trying to save his family from criminals or dire poverty and is like a person drowning in an ocean, it is understandable why they would try to cross the border.  One does what they have to do in an emergency to save their family.

2.  Applying to enter the U.S. legally is an impossibility.  The requirements are out of reach for most people.  Very few if any could be approved.

3.  You are one to speak of compassion.  You would just grab anyone and deport them.   As least I have some concern about the harsh treatment of migrants.