Millions of U.S.-citizen children have undocumented parents and family members.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You are saying the parents should be forced to make that choice. 

Yes. 100% yes. They are here illegally. They broke the law. 

As I asked you before and you never answerd, what other laws are we not supposed to enforce just because people are parents? 

Never mind, I already know. You don't give a crap. You don't care how many Americans are raped, murdered, killed, or harmed by illegal immigrants. 

[herbie]

Amazing how the deplorables will twist reality to no end to make something detestable  look righteous.

[User]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

Amazing how the deplorables will twist reality to no end to make something detestable  look righteous.

Narrator: He screamed into the void... 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, User said:

 

Never mind, I already know. You don't give a crap. You don't care how many Americans are raped, murdered, killed, or harmed by illegal immigrants. 

How many? And while you're at it, how many have beed murdered, raped or harmed by US citizens?

You aren't deporting people who have just committed crimes, that would be justified? You are just using it as an excuse to deport people who have done nothing wrong, along with their citizen children..

Edited Monday at 04:23 AM by Aristides

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

What does it say?

That the parents should take care of them? 

Who do you THINK should take care of children?

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You are saying the parents should be forced to make that choice. 

Honestly i don't think they should be allowed to make that choice, parents should look after their kids unless they can show they're unable to do so due to defect.  That's the law in the us AND canada currently.  You care for your children

but if you're going to allow any kind of choice then of COURSE the parents must be the ones who chose, barring defect such as severe mental health issues or the like

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You are the one saying that parents should be forced to make the choice between being with their kids and their kids having to give up the rights that come with their citizenship.

No, i said parents must take care of their kids.  I also said when the kids are old enough to care for themselves they of course can return to the USA.  But until thein wherever their parents are thats where they have to be.  Nobody said anything at all about them giving up their citizens rights.  But children stay with their parents and if their parents live somewhere else then so do the kids. 

Again, if a 10 year old living in wyoming told his folks he wanted to go live alone in maine, would we allow that? NOPE and if the parents DID allow their kid to just wander off like that then they would be held criminally liable. 

No different here. The parents have the duty of care for the kid.  The kid stays with their parents till they reach an age when they're allowed to look after themselves.  There's no debate here, that is how it is in Canada and the us, our laws REQUIRE it and always have.  Period.  

Yeash. 

[Aristides]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That the parents should take care of them? 

Who do you THINK should take care of children?

Honestly i don't think they should be allowed to make that choice, parents should look after their kids unless they can show they're unable to do so due to defect.  That's the law in the us AND canada currently.  You care for your children

but if you're going to allow any kind of choice then of COURSE the parents must be the ones who chose, barring defect such as severe mental health issues or the like

No, i said parents must take care of their kids.  I also said when the kids are old enough to care for themselves they of course can return to the USA.  But until thein wherever their parents are thats where they have to be.  Nobody said anything at all about them giving up their citizens rights.  But children stay with their parents and if their parents live somewhere else then so do the kids. 

Again, if a 10 year old living in wyoming told his folks he wanted to go live alone in maine, would we allow that? NOPE and if the parents DID allow their kid to just wander off like that then they would be held criminally liable. 

No different here. The parents have the duty of care for the kid.  The kid stays with their parents till they reach an age when they're allowed to look after themselves.  There's no debate here, that is how it is in Canada and the us, our laws REQUIRE it and always have.  Period.  

Yeash. 

Then you are forcing citizens to leave the country of their citizenship. You can’t do that in Canada. A citizen iis a citizen, you can’t deport a citizen for something their parents did.

Edited Monday at 12:06 PM by Aristides

[gatomontes99]

13 hours ago, Aristides said:

The kids are citizens, the parents don't have to come up with anything. You can't force citizens to leave. 

So what, you can't ship prisoner's kids out of the country or put them in prison with their parents. The kids are citizens and have the rights of every other citizen. You would have to look after them or do you just turn the kids of prisoners loose on the street to look after themselves. 

 

Having a child does not absolve one from the consequences of their actions. So here is what happens: an adult gets a deportation order. That adult can either take their children with them or make arrangements with friends/family to stay in the United States. In any case, they are getting deported. 

Edited Monday at 11:53 AM by gatomontes99

[Aristides]

18 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Having a child does not absolve one from the consequences of their actions. So here is what happens: an adult gets a deportation order. That adult can either take their children with them or make arrangements with friends/family to stay in the United States. In any case, they are getting deported. 

You can’t deport a citizen for something their parents did. The parents don’t have to do anything for the kid to stay in the country because the kid is a citizen with the rights of a citizen. When is that going to sink in.

 

This is one of the reasons I’m against citizenship based solely on birth and the only way to stop it is amend that constitution.

Edited Monday at 12:14 PM by Aristides

[gatomontes99]

39 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You can’t deport a citizen for something their parents did. The parents don’t have to do anything for the kid to stay in the country because the kid is a citizen with the rights of a citizen. When is that going to sink in.

No one is deporting the children. The adults are being deported. /end

What the adults do with their kids is up to them. They can choose to leave the kids behind or take them. The kids are not being deported. 

In fact, lots of parents have been deported and left their kids with the other parent, in the US. 

[Deluge]

10 hours ago, herbie said:

Amazing how the deplorables will twist reality to no end to make something detestable  look righteous.

herpes must have the wettest diapers on this forum - they're soaking wet. 

No one fights harder to keep illegal aliens in the country than a bed wetting marxist. 

[User]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

How many? And while you're at it, how many have beed murdered, raped or harmed by US citizens?

OMG. One is too many. Just as I said, you don’t give a crap.

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

You aren't deporting people who have just committed crimes, that would be justified? You are just using it as an excuse to deport people who have done nothing wrong, along with their citizen children..

Yes, we are deporting criminals and being here illegally is wrong.

But you let the cat out of the bag here, not that we didn’t already know you don’t support borders or laws and just want open borders madness. 

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, User said:

OMG. One is too many. Just as I said, you don’t give a crap.

Yes, we are deporting criminals and being here illegally is wrong.

But you let the cat out of the bag here, not that we didn’t already know you don’t support borders or laws and just want open borders madness. 

What crimes have they committed? 

I'm not saying you can't deport people who have entered the country illegally, I am saying you can't force them to take US citizens with them if they don't want to.

At no time have I ever supported open borders, I do support due process. Laws aren't something to be ignored just because it is convenient.

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What crimes have they committed? 

I'm not saying you can't deport people who have entered the country illegally, I am saying you can't force them to take US citizens with them if they don't want to.

At no time have I ever supported open borders, I do support due process. Laws aren't something to be ignored just because it is convenient.

Who are refusing to take US citizens with them?

[User]

30 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What crimes have they committed? 

I'm not saying you can't deport people who have entered the country illegally, I am saying you can't force them to take US citizens with them if they don't want to.

At no time have I ever supported open borders, I do support due process. Laws aren't something to be ignored just because it is convenient.

Your playing dumb routine gets pretty old.

I literally just brought up Laken Riley. Illegal Immigrants have engaged in almost every crime you can name from murder, rape, DUI, DUI killing people…

No where have I said to force parents to take their kids, you know this, we have repeatedly went back and forth already on this.

As usual, you get called out for your BS and then pretend like you were never even engaged in pushing it to begin with. 

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

You can’t deport a citizen for something their parents did.

You can't let illegal aliens stay in this country. And since the illegal aliens are the parents, the little citizens go with their parents to the parents' home countries. 

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, User said:

Your playing dumb routine gets pretty old.

I literally just brought up Laken Riley. Illegal Immigrants have engaged in almost every crime you can name from murder, rape, DUI, DUI killing people…

No where have I said to force parents to take their kids, you know this, we have repeatedly went back and forth already on this.

As usual, you get called out for your BS and then pretend like you were never even engaged in pushing it to begin with. 

 You say there are millions of illegals an d bring up one case. You can produce nothing that shows the are committing a greater rate of crimes than citizens. 
 

Stop with the bullshit, I have never pushed for anything of the sort. I don’t object to deporting people who enter illegally unless they are escaping persecution. Both our countries have a history of that. I’m just saying that you can’t force parents to remove citizen children from their country of citizenship. You can’t force any citizen to leave for any reason.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Then you are forcing citizens to leave the country of their citizenship. 

Not at all.  If someone moves from california to nevada and the child doesn't want to go and the child is told "you have to live with your parents".,  you are NOT 'forcing the citizen to leave the state of their choice" or the like 

You understand that children are in the care of their guardian right?

repeating a lie does not make it true. You're "Forcing" the child to stay with their lawful guardians untill they are old enough to be apart from their guardians.  Which is what we do EVERYWHERE and ALWAYS have 

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A citizen iis a citizen, you can’t deport a citizen for something their parents did.

And a child is a child and cannot be seperated from their lawful guardians unless you can demonstrate the guardians are unable to care for them. In which case the child is removed from their care no matter where they live. 

 

You're back to doing this weird thing where you just simply ignore the truth when it doesn't suit you. This isn't about deporting citizens. This is about children having to live with their parents until they're old enough not to require a guardian. This is been accepted in Canada and America for hundreds of years and is intrinsic in our laws.

 

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I'm not saying you can't deport people who have entered the country illegally, 

 

Sure you are.

And the weird thing is that's exactly what we're talking about. Deporting people who do not belong in the country. And those people have a duty of care to their child, so they have to take their child with them wherever they go

end of story. You couldn't have lost this one harder if you tried

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 You say there are millions of illegals an d bring up one case. You can produce nothing that shows the are committing a greater rate of crimes than citizens. 

He doesn't need to.

All he has to do is prove they committed ONE crime 

That proves that had they not been allowed in the country there would have been fewer crimes. Period. That is pretty simple math. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You say there are millions of illegals an d bring up one case. You can produce nothing that shows the are committing a greater rate of crimes than citizens. 

I made no specific claim about the number of illegals; I brought up one case to point out that I already gave you an answer to your playing dumb routine. 

I don't give a crap if they commit crime at a larger percapita rate than citizens, it is crime that should not be happening here at all and wouldn't be if they were not here. 

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Stop with the bullshit, I have never pushed for anything of the sort. I don’t object to deporting people who enter illegally unless they are escaping persecution. Both our countries have a history of that. I’m just saying that you can’t force parents to remove citizen children from their country of citizenship. You can’t force any citizen to leave for any reason.

Then you stop with your BS. 

Where have I ever said parents should be forced to remove their children? We have gone back and forth a lot already, that was never the argument. So, you stop your BS. 

 

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, User said:

I made no specific claim about the number of illegals; I brought up one case to point out that I already gave you an answer to your playing dumb routine. 

I don't give a crap if they commit crime at a larger percapita rate than citizens, it is crime that should not be happening here at all and wouldn't be if they were not here. 

Then you stop with your BS. 

Where have I ever said parents should be forced to remove their children? We have gone back and forth a lot already, that was never the argument. So, you stop your BS. 

 

One case out of millions of people so deport millions. 

I'm glad we can agree that you can't force people to take the kids with them. So what are you going to do with the kids if they don't take them?

Edited Monday at 10:26 PM by Aristides

[User]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

One case out of millions of people so deport millions. 

That is your strawman. That is clearly and obviously not the only crime committed. 

So... you said you were fine with deporting illegal immigrants:

"I don’t object to deporting people who enter illegally unless they are escaping persecution."

So what is your point now?

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I'm glad we an agree that you can't force people to take the kids with them. So what are you going to do with the kids if they don't take them?

I have already answered your question 3 times now. 

[Aristides]

26 minutes ago, User said:

That is your strawman. That is clearly and obviously not the only crime committed. 

So... you said you were fine with deporting illegal immigrants:

"I don’t object to deporting people who enter illegally unless they are escaping persecution."

So what is your point now?

 

Habeas corpus. But I forgot, MAGAT's don't believe in it.

 

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I have already answered your question 3 times now. 

No you haven't. What happens to these kids if their parents don't take them?

[User]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Habeas corpus. But I forgot, MAGAT's don't believe in it.

Cats Paw Theory. 

Any other random legal terminology you want to throw out with no context and not in response to the discussion?

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No you haven't. What happens to these kids if their parents don't take them?

Yes, I have. I am really tired of your dishonesty. Why do you act this way?

Answered here:

and here:

 

[Aristides]

34 minutes ago, User said:

Cats Paw Theory. 

Any other random legal terminology you want to throw out with no context and not in response to the discussion?

Yes, I have. I am really tired of your dishonesty. Why do you act this way?

Answered here:

and here:

 

Habeas corpus basically means, show us the body. You can't accuse someone of a crime if you can't show a crime has been committed. You present one case and claim millions are guilty.

 

You have not answered the question. What do you do with the kids if the parents don't take them? What do YOU do with them?

You can blame the parents all you want but the reality is, they cannot be forced to remove citizens from the country.

 

Edited Monday at 11:31 PM by Aristides

[User]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Habeas corpus basically means, show us the body. You can't accuse someone of a crime if you can't show a crime has been committed. You present one case and claim millions are guilty.

I never said millions were guilty. Do you ever stop being this dishonest?

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

You have not answered the question. What do you do with the kids if the parents don't take them? What do YOU do with them?

Why would I need to do anything with them?

The levels of your dishonesty here know no bounds. If this was your schtick, you could have made that clear from the start.