PM Carney says there should be a two-state solution, which clearly contradicts the Bible

[blackbird]

This has been Canada's position all along but the fact Carney says this now on the eve of his trip to meet the Pope reveals he is trying to appease the Vatican.  He is simply repeating the Vatican line now.

The Vatican has a history of being anti-Semitic for 1,500 years.   They do not accept what the Bible says on the subject at all.

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The Bible affirms that Israel owns their land forever, emphasizing God's sovereignty and the covenantal relationship between God and Israel. Key verses include:

Deuteronomy 28:15: "I will give you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be your God."

Genesis 15:18: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates.   "

From any rational view, dividing Israel in half would be a major threat to its continued existence.

The Palestinians are the same religion, Islamic, as all of the populations in the countries surrounding Israel.  They have no interest in a two-state solution, oppose the existence of Israel, and such a scheme would never guarantee peace or the security of Israel.   One must ask what PM Carney is thinking and where he gets his ideas.

 

 

[BlahTheCanuck]

Why is what the Bible says relevant? Biblical Israel is not the same as modern Israel - the country's territory and borders are not even the same. 

The basis for Israel is 1948 Israeli Declaration of Independence. The basis for the two-state solution is UN Partition Plan for Palestine 1947 - the only proposed alternative to this is a mixed Jewish-Arab state (not realistic in current circumstances). The population of West Bank and Gaza are mostly Arabic-speaking Palestinian Muslims - how can these areas become a permanent territory of Israel if Israelis and Palestinians have conflicting nationalist aspirations?

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[blackbird]

1 hour ago, BlahTheCanuck said:

Why is what the Bible says relevant?

I'm glad you asked.  Most people would ask the same question.

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The Bible is relevant today because: 

It provides guidance and direction for everyday life.

It explains the human story and provides a historical context for our lives.

It provides fresh insight, fresh nuggets of truth, and fresh application every time we read it.

It is the foundation of our faith and connects us with our past and points us to our future.

It informs our practices, directs our actions, and guides our life.

It protects us from wrong teaching.

It is God’s written word to us, complementing God’s spoken word through the Holy Spirit."

"Hebrews 4:12 says, “For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.” While the Bible was completed approximately 1900 years ago, its accuracy and relevance for today remain unchanged. The Bible is the sole objective source of all the revelation God has given us about Himself and His plan for humanity.

The Bible contains a great deal of information about the natural world that has been confirmed by scientific observations and research. Some of these passages include Leviticus 17:11; Ecclesiastes 1:6-7; Job 36:27-29; Psalm 102:25-27 and Colossians 1:16-17. As the Bible’s story of God’s redemptive plan for humanity unfolds, many different characters are vividly described. In those descriptions, the Bible provides a great deal of information about human behavior and tendencies. Our own day-to-day experience shows us that this information is more accurate and descriptive of the human condition than any psychology textbook. Many historical facts recorded in the Bible have been confirmed by extra-biblical sources. Historical research often shows a great deal of agreement between biblical accounts and extra-biblical accounts of the same events.

However, the Bible is not a history book, a psychology text, or a scientific journal. The Bible is the description God gave us about who He is, and His desires and plans for humanity. The most significant component of this revelation is the story of our separation from God by sin and God’s provision for restoration of fellowship through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ, on the cross. Our need for redemption does not change. Neither does God’s desire to reconcile us to Himself.

The Bible contains a great deal of accurate and relevant information. The Bible’s most important message—redemption—is universally and perpetually applicable to humanity. God’s Word will never be outdated, superseded, or improved upon. Cultures change, laws change, generations come and go, but the Word of God is as relevant today as it was when it was first written. Not all of Scripture necessarily applies explicitly to us today, but all Scriptures contain truth that we can, and should, apply to our lives today."

Is the Bible relevant for today? | GotQuestions.org

The subject of Israel is a central issue in the Bible.  Israel was God's chosen people.  He had and has a plan for Israel.  So what the Bible says is nothing to take lightly or dismiss as irrelevant.  It is the most important source of truth that there is.  

The first question you must therefore ask yourself is where do you stand in your personal relationship with God.  The Bible tells us what that is.  Each one of us is either a redeemed child of God or we are still in rebellion against God.  That is the most important issue in life.

 

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

This has been Canada's position all along but the fact Carney says this now on the eve of his trip to meet the Pope reveals he is trying to appease the Vatican. 

Carney is a slithering piece of sh1t who just says what he wants people to hear in every situation, regardless of what's true or even how easy it is to prove that he's lying, because the CBC has been given enough money to always have his back. 

At the end of the day, it's all about Carney getting more money for himself and his cronies, just like it was for Trudeau.

At no point did Trudeau ever make a single decision that put Canadians first, and Carney is following in his footsteps. 

[Nefarious Banana]

18 hours ago, blackbird said:

The first question you must therefore ask yourself is where do you stand in your personal relationship with God.  The Bible tells us what that is.  Each one of us is either a redeemed child of God or we are still in rebellion against God.  That is the most important issue in life.

A person does not need 'the middleman' (church of any denomination) to be in contact with the creator . . .

You're brainwashed by organized religion . . .

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

A person does not need 'the middleman' (church of any denomination) to be in contact with the creator . . .

You're brainwashed by organized religion . . .

Correct.  I never said one needed a church or denomination to be in contact with the Creator.  

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."   1 Timothy 2:5, 6 King James Version (KJV)

Catholicism teaches you need the Roman church's priest's sacraments and Mary.

 

[User]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

Catholicism teaches you need the Roman church's priest's sacraments and Mary.

Show us this teaching you are talking about. 

This is not what is taught at all. 

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

Show us this teaching you are talking about. 

This is not what is taught at all. 

 

Afraid it is.  I gave you the link to the Catholic church's catechism.

But here is a brief part of it about praying to Mary (the so-called "Mother of God").

"159. How can we show that the Angels and Saints know what passes on earth? We can show that the Angels and Saints know what passes on earth from the words of Christ: ‘There shall be joy before the Angels of God upon one sinner doing penance. Luke 15:10 Doing penance. Being sorry and trying to make satisfaction for sin. 160. What is the chief prayer to the Blessed Virgin which the Church uses? The chief prayer to the Blessed Virgin which the church uses is the Hail Mary. 161. Say the Hail Mary. ★ Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail. Equivalent to ‘Ave’ or ‘Salve’, meaning ‘Be well’, ‘Health to thee’, or ‘I salute thee’. 162. Who made the first part of the Hail Mary? The Angel Gabriel and St. Elizabeth, inspired by the Holy Spirit, made the first part of the Hail Mary. Luke 1:28, 1:42 163. Who made the second part of the Hail Mary? The Church of God, guided by the Holy Spirit, made the second part of the Hail Mary. Guided. Directed, led, being shown the way. By the Holy Spirit. Pronounced at the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus in year 431. 164. Why should we frequently say the Hail Mary? We should frequently say the Hail Mary to put us in mind of the Incarnation of the Son of God; and to honour our Blessed Lady, the Mother of God. 165. Have we another reason for often saying the Hail Mary? We have another reason for often saying the Hail Mary - to ask our Blessed Lady to pray for us sinners at all times, but especially at the hour of our death. 166. Why does the Catholic Church show great devotion to the Blessed Virgin? The Catholic Church shows great devotion to the Blessed Virgin because she is the Immaculate Mother of God."

Simple Catechism

There are a number of things in here which are contrary to the Bible.

1.  "trying to make satisfaction for sin" is anti-Christian but is Catholic teaching.  It is a denial of Christ's once for sacrifice / atonement for sin.  Read Hebrews ch.9, 10, 11

"12  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13  From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14  For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. "   Hebrews 10:12-24 KJV

2.  Praying to Mary and the saints is a form of idolatry.  The Bible does not teach us to do that.   It is against the ten commandments.

Mary is not the "Mother of God".  That is an invention of Romanism.  God has no mother.

3.  The dogma of the Immaculate Conception is also false.  Mary was born a sinner just like everyone else.  The sin nature is passed to the offspring through the father.  Jesus had no earthly father and was sinless.  He did not receive the sin nature because he was conceived by the Holy Spirit. 

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[User]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Afraid it is.  I gave you the link to the Catholic church's catechism.

But here is a brief part of it about praying to Mary (the so-called "Mother of God").

No, it is not. 

The assertion you made was not that Catholics do pray to Mary, but that they need to. 

Show us the Catholic teaching that one must pray to Mary for salvation?

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

On 5/19/2025 at 9:54 AM, blackbird said:

Catholicism teaches you need the Roman church's priest's sacraments and Mary.

User said:

Show us this teaching you are talking about. 

This is not what is taught at all. 

"252. Ought we to have a great desire to receive the Sacraments? We ought to have a great desire to receive the Sacraments, because they are the chief means of our salvation."

-Catholic catechism

Simple Catechism

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, User said:

Show us the Catholic teaching that one must pray to Mary for salvation?

 

I don't recall saying that.   I said the Catechism teaches salvation comes through receiving the Catholic sacraments.  And I just quoted the part of the catechism that says the sacraments are the chief means of salvation on my last post just above this one.

But here is the reason they pray to Mary according to the Catholic catechism.

"164. Why should we frequently say the Hail Mary? We should frequently say the Hail Mary to put us in mind of the Incarnation of the Son of God; and to honour our Blessed Lady, the Mother of God. 165. Have we another reason for often saying the Hail Mary? We have another reason for often saying the Hail Mary - to ask our Blessed Lady to pray for us sinners at all times, but especially at the hour of our death. 166. Why does the Catholic Church show great devotion to the Blessed Virgin? The Catholic Church shows great devotion to the Blessed Virgin because she is the Immaculate Mother of God."

Simple Catechism

[User]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

"252. Ought we to have a great desire to receive the Sacraments? We ought to have a great desire to receive the Sacraments, because they are the chief means of our salvation."

-Catholic catechism

Simple Catechism

Ok, and? What do you think Sacraments are?

This comes down to if you are a Christian, wouldn't you get Baptised? Yes... Wouldn't you break bread? Yes... wouldn't you repent of your sins? Yes... 

These are the outward signs of grace, your belief in Christ. 

Do you not believe Christians should do these things?

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't recall saying that.   I said the Catechism teaches salvation comes through receiving the Catholic sacraments. 

Your words: "Catholicism teaches you need the Roman church's priest's sacraments and Mary."

[myata]

Aha, we're back to medieval ages and crusades? All the great teachings, for nothing? Don't give a ---- how they pray, look what they do.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

This comes down to if you are a Christian, wouldn't you get Baptised? Yes... Wouldn't you break bread? Yes... wouldn't you repent of your sins? Yes... 

OF course but that is not the point.  You seem to be acting very evasive. 

The Catholic catechism teaches the sacraments are the chief means of salvation as I already quoted to you from their catechism.

Are you a Roman Catholic?   Yes or No.

1 hour ago, User said:

Your words: "Catholicism teaches you need the Roman church's priest's sacraments and Mary."

Yes, I posted that but no, it does not say I said Mary was necessary for salvation.  

I posted the reasons from the catechism why they believe Mary worship is important.

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[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

OF course but that is not the point.  You seem to be acting very evasive. 

The Catholic catechism teaches the sacraments are the chief means of salvation as I already quoted to you from their catechism.

Are you a Roman Catholic?   Yes or No.

That is the point. No, I am not Catholic, but I have also been part of Protestant Churches that believed Baptism was necessary for salvation, convinced I would die on my way home and possibly go to hell if I did not get baptised that moment on the spot. 

Catholics teach that if you do believe in Christ, then the sacraments are part of that living faith to receive God's grace... no different than other Christians who tie these things up with salvation based on the scripture. 

To sit here saying that someone is not Christian because they believe you need to do these things too as a Christian is silly nonsense. 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Yes, I posted that but no, it does not say I said Mary was necessary for salvation.  

That has been your argument in the other thread, that they have to pray to Mary... but glad you agree now, this is not part of what they believe. 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I posted the reasons from the catechism why they believe Mary worship is important.

Worship? You just keep twisting the facts and using these deceitful words. That is not what Catholics do. 

How is it you claimed to be one for so long and you push the dumbest lies that some average person off the streets would push?
 

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, User said:

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I posted the reasons from the catechism why they believe Mary worship is important.

Worship? You just keep twisting the facts and using these deceitful words. That is not what Catholics do. 

It depends on your definition of worship.  Adoration of Mary, praying to her, and believing she is the "Mother of God" is a form of worship.  So who is the liar on here?  It's not me.  Facts are facts.

Nothing deceitful about what I said.   I quoted you the Catholic catechism and that tells you the facts of what they believe.  You are in denial.  

Edited 19 hours ago by blackbird

[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It depends on your definition of worship.  Adoration of Mary, praying to her, and believing she is the "Mother of God" is a form of worship.  So who is the liar on here?  It's not me.  Facts are facts.

Nothing deceitful about what I said.   I quoted you the Catholic catechism and that tells you the facts of what they believe.  You are in denial.  

Well, when you use the word "worship" like you do, the onus is on you to be clearer, as you are clearly using it in a derogatory way. 

Worship is reserved for God. So what if they adore Mary?

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

Worship is reserved for God. So what if they adore Mary?

Again you are in denial.  You don't seem to comprehend.  

[User]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Again you are in denial.  You don't seem to comprehend.  

What am I in denial about? What is it I do not comprehend?

 

[Gaétan]

Jesus Christ said that the father of jews is the devil and we cannot take for granted what he said because he is the father of lies:

John 8.38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have [n]seen with your father.”

You see Jesus makes a difference between his Father and the jews' father, their father is written with a small letter because he is not God

44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

He said that their father is the devil

[User]

14 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

He said that their father is the devil

No, He was speaking directly to that group of people, you are inferring more than is said and is not supported by any other scriptural foundation to try to claim He was speaking about all Jews.

Your position makes literally no sense as the New Testament and Jesus are a fulfillment of the Old Testament... 

 

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, He was speaking directly to that group of people, you are inferring more than is said and is not supported by any other scriptural foundation to try to claim He was speaking about all Jews.

Your position makes literally no sense as the New Testament and Jesus are a fulfillment of the Old Testament... 

 

Jesus made difference between his Father and their father and he said that their father is the devil and when you read what Moses taught there is no doubt that it comes from the devil and Israel is the great prostitude of the revelation and the leaders of NATO are the servants of the beast. It is said that the lamb, the Palestinian people, will overcome the beast because the lamb is the king of the kings.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, User said:

What am I in denial about? What is it I do not comprehend?

 

You do not seem to comprehend anything about the Roman Catholic institution and the difference between it's catechism and Biblical Christianity.  You are not a Protestant at all.  Not sure what you have been taught.  I am blessed as I have been in the right churches back in the 1980s and came across the right information and booklets, etc.  Today it is very hard to find a good Biblical church.  Most are apostate to some degree or other.  

I would suggest you start doing some studying.  You could start with this video about the Jesuits.

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You can also obtain books and other information at the Chick Publications website.

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You could get the book "Understanding Roman Catholicism" from the Chick.com website.

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Written by a former Catholic, this new book quotes 37 main Catholic doctrines from the 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church, then compares each one with the King James Bible. Every time, Catholic doctrine contradicts the Word of God."

 

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[User]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You do not seem to comprehend…

So, same old vague baseless assertions.

Nothing of substance yet again. 

[blackbird]

56 minutes ago, User said:

So, same old vague baseless assertions.

Nothing of substance yet again. 

You are definitely not interested in truth.  I gave you lots of information but you accept none of it.  Perhaps you are full of pride and just cannot admit you might have been wrong.  You refuse to accept any information I posted.   We have reached a dead end.