Aristides Posted May 17 Report Posted May 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Dude he's not allowed to keep it. Get your head around this simple concept. I have no idea what he's going to use it for, I have no idea how long it will take to get ready. I would guess that if he said that's what I want to fly on have it running tomorrow that they would find a way to make it airworthy tomorrow. If they can't it could just sit there until it's ready to go to his museum. But he can't keep it. So let's stop pretending otherwise And start behaving like an adult If it can fly it can be used as air force one. In fact by definition any plane that the American president is aboard is air force one. And yes of course they're doing it to stroke his ego. That is the purpose of almost every presidential or prime ministerial gift from a foreign nation to a leader that has ever been As president he can't use it for anything unless it meets AF1 standards and it never will while he is in office. They will have to let it sit there until it goes into a museum unless they can lease it out in the meantime. Either that or it will have remain in service for years as an AF1 for years or it will just be a giant waste of money. Up to a billion dollars to convert it just so it can go into a museum. Get real, the aircraft is already 13 years old. This is nothing more than manipulation of Trump's giant ego and he doesn't give a crap what it costs the taxpayers. Quote We've been through this a million times. And again you didn't care then and you expect people to care now and that's just not how it works. Ya we have and you don't care how much Trump games the system right in front of your nose. Edited May 17 by Aristides Quote
CdnFox Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 3 hours ago, Aristides said: As president he can't use it for anything unless it meets AF1 standards and it never will while he is in office. Sure he can. I have little doubt trump can ignore or change whatever law is necessary to make it happen. In fact the president frequently flies on planes that aren't the official air force one, which is why any plane the president is on is considered air force one. Quote They will have to let it sit there until it goes into a museum unless they can lease it out in the meantime. Either that or it will have remain in service for years as an AF1 for years or it will just be a giant waste of money. Up to a billion dollars to convert it just so it can go into a museum. Get real, the aircraft is already 13 years old. This is nothing more than manipulation of Trump's giant ego and he doesn't give a crap what it costs the taxpayers. If they can get it running up for a billion dollars it is the cheapest option they have. The current project to replace air force one is already billions of dollars in the whole and still requires billions more. If they replace air force one with this for a lousy billion they have a screaming deal As to what he does with it or doesn't do with it or if he accepts it or not that's still not him personally benefiting financially from a plane. Which was your original contention and it's full of shit. Quote Ya we have and you don't care how much Trump games the system right in front of your nose. Why should anybody care about how much trump games the system when nobody cares when the democrats game the system? If you guys are going to cheat 24/7 you can hardly complain when other people get sick of worrying about it. If you care about this kind of crap you should have been all over the bidens. Why is this so hard for democrats to understand, if you commit crimes and condone crimes and excuse crimes, eventually the other people will decide that this is the new bar and they will stop trying to get you to change your ways and will instead just simply cheat themselves If you want people to care you have to care when it's your side. If you don't people give up worrying about it which is basically what's happened in the united states. It's probably going to come fairly soon in Canada too Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Seems pretty unbias.... Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 (edited) 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: Sure he can. I have little doubt trump can ignore or change whatever law is necessary to make it happen. In fact the president frequently flies on planes that aren't the official air force one, which is why any plane the president is on is considered air force one. If they can get it running up for a billion dollars it is the cheapest option they have. The current project to replace air force one is already billions of dollars in the whole and still requires billions more. If they replace air force one with this for a lousy billion they have a screaming deal As to what he does with it or doesn't do with it or if he accepts it or not that's still not him personally benefiting financially from a plane. Which was your original contention and it's full of shit. Why should anybody care about how much trump games the system when nobody cares when the democrats game the system? If you guys are going to cheat 24/7 you can hardly complain when other people get sick of worrying about it. If you care about this kind of crap you should have been all over the bidens. Why is this so hard for democrats to understand, if you commit crimes and condone crimes and excuse crimes, eventually the other people will decide that this is the new bar and they will stop trying to get you to change your ways and will instead just simply cheat themselves If you want people to care you have to care when it's your side. If you don't people give up worrying about it which is basically what's happened in the united states. It's probably going to come fairly soon in Canada too No he can't. The only thing an AF1 has in common with a regular 747 is its airframe and engines. You should really do a little more research into what it takes to turn an aircraft into an AF1. Things like secret security, communications, defensive systems and inflight refuelling capabilities that make it an airborne command centre capable of staying airborne for days are not small or cheap modifications. He isn't even allowed to use his personal 757 as long as he is president. If you want to talk about wasting money, taking years and hundreds of millions to convert an aircraft just so it can end up in a museum in a couple of years is as wasteful as it gets. Edited May 18 by Aristides Quote
CdnFox Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 52 minutes ago, Aristides said: No he can't. The only thing an AF1 has in common with a regular 747 is its airframe and engines. So? Show me the law that says that's the only plan he can fly in. If he wants to fly in something less sophisticated and call it air force one what's to stop it? Quote You should really do a little more research into what it takes to turn an aircraft into an AF1. It takes him setting foot on the plane. Literally. Any aircraft the president is on automatically becomes air force one. "Air Force One, any aircraft of the U.S. Air Force that is carrying the president of the United States." Air Force One | Plane, History, List of Aircraft, & Facts | Britannica And no, there is no specification. If trump says this plane will be used as air force one then that's that. There's no legal list they have to follow. Quote Things like secret security, communications, defensive systems and inflight refuelling capabilities that make it an airborne command centre capable of staying airborne for days are not small or cheap modifications. And? Do with out, or get them done quickly. There is no law that says he has to have them. Sweep it for bugs, install a few radios and be done with it. You can always keep the other ones handy for back up in case you have to bug the president out for a nuclear threat or the like. (there's 2 you know, you act like there can only be one air force one) Quote He isn't even allowed to use his personal 757 as long as he is president. Sure he can if he repaints it. Quote If you want to talk about wasting money, taking years and hundreds of millions to convert an aircraft just so it can end up in a museum in a couple of years is as wasteful as it gets. Bullshit. The current 'air force one' thats under construction will be well into the double digits as far as billions of dollars goes when it's ready and that won't be till after trump is gone. Hundreds of millions to get one up and running soon is pocket change. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 (edited) https://www.defensenews.com/air/2025/05/12/experts-qatar-gifted-air-force-one-may-be-security-upgrade-disaster/ This is purely a vanity exercise by Trump at the expense of national security. The existing B747-200's are still very serviceable and even though old, would be very low time compared to commercially operated 747's. Edited May 18 by Aristides Quote
robosmith Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 5 hours ago, Aristides said: No he can't. The only thing an AF1 has in common with a regular 747 is its airframe and engines. You should really do a little more research into what it takes to turn an aircraft into an AF1. Things like secret security, communications, defensive systems and inflight refuelling capabilities that make it an airborne command centre capable of staying airborne for days are not small or cheap modifications. He isn't even allowed to use his personal 757 as long as he is president. If you want to talk about wasting money, taking years and hundreds of millions to convert an aircraft just so it can end up in a museum in a couple of years is as wasteful as it gets. Trump will get to fly in it at least until his library is opened 10+ years after he leaves office. Probably gonna cost many MORE $MILLIONS to remove all the TS AF1 mods that won't be finished until after he leaves office. Might as well put it in storage and save all the mod bucks. Or get some sense and forget about taking it. 1 Quote
Legato Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 4 minutes ago, robosmith said: Trump will get to fly in it at least until his library is opened 10+ years after he leaves office. Probably gonna cost many MORE $MILLIONS to remove all the TS AF1 mods that won't be finished until after he leaves office. Might as well put it in storage and save all the mod bucks. Or get some sense and forget about taking it. If the Maginot line offends you, get Trump a Sopwith Camel Quote
robosmith Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 3 minutes ago, Legato said: If the Maginot line offends you, get Trump a Sopwith Camel He already has a 757, TROLL. Duh Quote
CdnFox Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 3 hours ago, Aristides said: https://www.defensenews.com/air/2025/05/12/experts-qatar-gifted-air-force-one-may-be-security-upgrade-disaster/ This is purely a vanity exercise by Trump at the expense of national security. That may be true. Heavens knows it's hardly the first vanity exercise we've seen a president or prime minister do But he's still not allowed to keep it it's still not personal gain Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 (edited) In 2017 Trump was blasting Qatar for "funding terrorism at a very high level". Just shows how easily he can be bought with a shiny object. And how quick his faithful are to justify it. Edited May 18 by Aristides 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 19 Report Posted May 19 4 hours ago, Aristides said: In 2017 Trump was blasting Qatar for "funding terrorism at a very high level". Just shows how easily he can be bought with a shiny object. And how quick his faithful are to justify it. Well the problem is is that you don't address the issue you just lie about it and then afterwards when your lies are called out you try and double back. We are on page 9 of a thread where you spent all of your time and energy along with your cohorts trying to convince everybody that trump gets to keep the plane and this is some sort of personal gain. That is simply false, It's a straight up dishonesty. Now that that's failed and you come around to something that's an actual valid point worth discussing everybody's sick of it and your credibility on the issue is already gone. And both myself and many others have been saying this to the left for two or three years now. It says if you cannot find anything wrong with this transaction and therefore had to make up something fake to complain about, and now that that's no good you're digging around trying to find something real. Spouting fake nonsense and making blatantly false accusations completely destroys the conversation. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
gatomontes99 Posted May 19 Report Posted May 19 14 hours ago, Aristides said: In 2017 Trump was blasting Qatar for "funding terrorism at a very high level". Just shows how easily he can be bought with a shiny object. And how quick his faithful are to justify it. I suppose you think it's a coincidence that the Palestinian terrorists released an American around the time a new trade deal was struck with Qatar? Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Aristides Posted May 19 Report Posted May 19 49 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: I suppose you think it's a coincidence that the Palestinian terrorists released an American around the time a new trade deal was struck with Qatar? Oh wow! What does that have to with a gift to Trump? Quote
gatomontes99 Posted May 19 Report Posted May 19 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Oh wow! What does that have to with a gift to Trump? It is no more a gift to Trump than the Statue of Liberty was a gift to Grover Cleveland. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Aristides Posted May 19 Report Posted May 19 Just now, gatomontes99 said: It is no more a gift to Trump than the Statue of Liberty was a gift to Grover Cleveland. Bullshit, it supposed to be for his use as president and then allegedly go to his library after the taxpayer shells out hundreds of millions to bring it up to AF1 standards, which probably couldn't be done by the time he finishes his term. The statue went directly to its present location. Cleveland's only involvement was to preside over its dedication. 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 19 Report Posted May 19 19 minutes ago, Aristides said: Bullshit, it supposed to be for his use as president and then allegedly go to his library after the taxpayer shells out hundreds of millions to bring it up to AF1 standards, which probably couldn't be done by the time he finishes his term. The statue went directly to its present location. Cleveland's only involvement was to preside over its dedication. That is a 100% bullshit line of reasoning. Grover got massive personal benefit in the form of huge publicity over it. And trump doesn't get to keep the plane either, it will either remain in service or become a public display, JUST like the statue of liberty is. How about the desk the president's still use to this day? A gift from england and for the sole benefit of the president of the united states. He had to stop using it when he left, and trump will either have to leave the plane with the gov't when he leaves or donate it to his presidental library WHICH IS STILL RUN BY THE GOV"T BTW, and will be for the benefit of all americans who want to see a piece of history. I keep telling you, you take away from all of the stuff that's worth discussing about trump when you keep going with this childish nonsense. If trump takes the plane, it's not a direct benefit to himself. And he can fly around in whatever he wants to fly around in. And the cost is a null issue, the new plane they're building for the new air force one he's already into the tens and tens of billions and still going, 100 million or so on this is peanuts. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted Monday at 05:25 PM Report Posted Monday at 05:25 PM 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Oh wow! What does that have to with a gift to Trump? It is technically a gift to America. Quote
Aristides Posted Monday at 06:57 PM Report Posted Monday at 06:57 PM When it comes to bullshit reasoning, you guys take the cake. You are fine with taxpayers shelling out hundreds of millions solely for Trump's benefit. No one but Trump gets anything out of this. 1 Quote
Legato Posted Monday at 07:09 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:09 PM 7 minutes ago, Aristides said: When it comes to bullshit reasoning, you guys take the cake. You are fine with taxpayers shelling out hundreds of millions solely for Trump's benefit. No one but Trump gets anything out of this. You seem to be getting a lot out of it. Trump would be envious if he knew. Quote
Aristides Posted Monday at 07:20 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:20 PM (edited) 11 minutes ago, Legato said: You seem to be getting a lot out of it. Trump would be envious if he knew. So Trump gets this aircraft and taxpayers shell out hundreds of millions to convert it to AF1 standard so it can just go to Trump's library in four years. What replaces it and how much is it going to cost? Are they going to look for another grift from a Middle East oil autocracy so they can spent hundreds of millions on that? This is one of the dumbest ideas he has come up with and you id*ots jump right on board. If I were a US taxpayer, I would not be impressed. The Reagan AF1 had already served 7 presidents and been replaced by the current aircraft. It had finished a long service and no longer needed. It was not just an exercise in one man's vanity. Edited Monday at 07:20 PM by Aristides 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted Monday at 07:31 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:31 PM 9 minutes ago, Aristides said: So Trump gets this aircraft and taxpayers shell out hundreds of millions to convert it to AF1 standard so it can just go to Trump's library in four years. What replaces it and how much is it going to cost? Are they going to look for another grift from a Middle East oil autocracy so they can spent hundreds of millions on that? This is one of the dumbest ideas he has come up with and you id*ots jump right on board. If I were a US taxpayer, I would not be impressed. The Reagan AF1 had already served 7 presidents and been replaced by the current aircraft. It had finished a long service and no longer needed. It was not just an exercise in one man's vanity. First, Trump doesn't get it. Second, Boeing has had delays in building the AF1 replacements. Third, everything we pay to update the Qatar aircraft, we are paying to do with the Boeing aircraft. So there isn't really an additional cost. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Legato Posted Monday at 07:31 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:31 PM 11 minutes ago, Aristides said: So Trump gets this aircraft and taxpayers shell out hundreds of millions to convert it to AF1 standard so it can just go to Trump's library in four years. What replaces it and how much is it going to cost? Are they going to look for another grift from a Middle East oil autocracy so they can spent hundreds of millions on that? This is one of the dumbest ideas he has come up with and you id*ots jump right on board. If I were a US taxpayer, I would not be impressed. The Reagan AF1 had already served 7 presidents and been replaced by the current aircraft. It had finished a long service and no longer needed. It was not just an exercise in one man's vanity. I rest my case. Quote
User Posted Monday at 07:49 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:49 PM 48 minutes ago, Aristides said: When it comes to bullshit reasoning, you guys take the cake. You are fine with taxpayers shelling out hundreds of millions solely for Trump's benefit. No one but Trump gets anything out of this. No, just like you with the castrating thread, I am simply making factual corrections to the lies being told about what this is. I did not comment on even supporting it or not, I think it is stupid because you still have to modify it and unless they can do that in less than a year, there is no point, and I think it is dumb politically because it doesn't do anything but cost Trump political points, he gains nothing from this other than more grief, and why should we accept this from Qatar when they basically play both sides on supporting terrorism and terrorists still to this day. But it is not a bribe, it is not a gift to Trump he somehow personally will benefit from like he gets to fly around on it for the rest of his life... Quote
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