Conservatives (Canada) at the crossroads: Maga future or back to normality?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Not exactly true.

He was never ever convicted of rape, or even charged with rape.  Not criminally nor civilly. That's a lie the left often likes to repeat but that never happened. 

And he wasn't convicted of multiple felony crimes, he was convicted of the same crime with multiple counts which is very different. And it was a charge that was totally concocted to go after trump. Nobody has ever been charged with it before like that. Which is why nobody cared. 

Don't let the left lie like that.  Trump was found innocent of rape in a civil trial where the proof required is even lower than a criminal trial.  He was found to be financially liable for sexual abuse but not rape. 

To be honest there were so many lawsuits, many of which were thrown out, that I stopped paying attention.  He had to pay out big money for disparaging that E Carrol woman.  She made a killing out of it.  The biggest victim in all of these cases was the justice system.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

To be honest there were so many lawsuits, many of which were thrown out, that I stopped paying attention.  He had to pay out big money for disparaging that E Carrol woman.  She made a killing out of it.  The biggest victim in all of these cases was the justice system.  

This is one of the things I touched on at the time. The dems were so eager to go after him in court that there were so many court cases that it all just blurred into noise. So the public discounted it and it really didn't hurt him

It would have been better off to pick one or two and just stick with that. But they had so many and so many of them were obviously hokey and contrived

They even had to rewrite a law so that she could have sued him in the first place. The statue of limitations had long passed so they had to make a special law allowing her to be able to go back and bring these civil suits against him. People see that and it's hard to take this stuff seriously especially when it's again and again

[Barquentine]

Getting back on topic - Why didn't Poilievre pick an Ontario riding, since they're trying to make inroads in Ontario? Surely one of those seats would have been safe enough. As it is he's strengthening the idea they're still just a regional party.

I see PP took another leaf out of Trump's playbook by showing up at the UFC. Might win a few young votes, but the young don't vote in large numbers, and anything even remotely Trumpish could hurt him again.

Seems to me both Poilievre and Danielle Smith have painted themselves into a bit of a corner with their base. Between PP telling us 'Canada is broken' for years and Smith basing her entire governing philosophy on bashing the federal gov't, how do they now tell that base to stick with Canada, which is what they'll have to say. That's going to p!ss off some Albertans.

And what about a leadership review for the Conservatives? Sure, they gained some seats, but they still lost a 4th election in a row. From 27 points up, to a loss - gotta' be some grumbling about that. 

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Getting back on topic - Why didn't Poilievre pick an Ontario riding, since they're trying to make inroads in Ontario?

He didn't get to pick the riding. This is who offered up their seat. It's like asking why he didn't pick a different writing in Alberta. He doesn't just get to walk in and fire anybody it has to be their choice

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I see PP took another leaf out of Trump's playbook by showing up at the UFC

Sure, no other politician in history has ever gone to a fight 🙄

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Seems to me both Poilievre and Danielle Smith have painted themselves into a bit of a corner with their base. Between PP telling us 'Canada is broken' for years and Smith basing her entire governing philosophy on bashing the federal gov't, how do they now tell that base to stick with Canada, which is what they'll have to say. That's going to p!ss off some Albertans.

That is the easiest thing in the world to answer. They tell them to stick with Canada and elect a conservative government. The liberal government has been the most divisive and segregating of all governments we have ever had in the history of this country by at least five times. They've also been easily one of the most incompetent governments we've ever had.

Connie will be no different. Most of his ministers are the same people.

So the solution is stick around, work hard, elect conservatives

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And what about a leadership review for the Conservatives? Sure, they gained some seats, but they still lost a 4th election in a row. From 27 points up, to a loss - gotta' be some grumbling about that. 

They weren't 27 points up. And every time a liberal opens his mouth that number goes up, Show me one aggregator that showed them 27 points up at any point in time in history. Next week it'll be 30. Pretty soon he'll have blown 120-point lead somehow

He had a 20 some odd point lead on justin at the very best of times. He never had a lead on Carney. In fact carney was up on him by 12 points according to some polls. Trump and carney changed the entire equation and pretending that poles that involved a different leader at a different time in history somehow is relevant to this election is beyond childish

So it would be more fair to say that carney blew a 12-point lead and a guaranteed majority to wind up with a minority government only two points ahead of Poilievre

As far as Poilievre goes, there's going to have to be a postmortem because there's definitely things he did that could have been done better. Mostly in the year leading up to the election.

But he didn't just add some seats, he added 25 seats and a whole crap ton of support. He got a solid 41% which is about what he was pulling for the last year which means those are pretty solid voters. That wasn't a flash in the pan like Carney

That is an excellent performance and there's every reason to believe to learn from the past and do better next time. Why would they get rid of him?

[taxme]

On 4/30/2025 at 9:09 PM, myata said:

I've no intent to duplicate threads and discussions but this is a specific and concrete angle that is absolutely worth discussing and right now. Because for the party at least it's the watershed moment, and the consequences can and will be monumental altering the life, the position and the nature itself.

This is maga as it is and I'm quoting:

"Poilievre had his chance and he blew it. Instead of attacking and mocking the media that despised him he went meek and mild on them. PP knew that the media hated him so why go easy on them. Trump called the American media a lying and fake media and the people liked that and ate that up. PP has his own self to blame. He was just to week and wimpy for me. Canada needed a strong like leader like Trump to help save Canada". 

The problem was he didn't attack enough, too little of a good thing. The problem was, he didn't embrace full-heartedly the idea that when reality tells you something you don't want to hear you should kick it away and do more of the same. It's not you, the reality is wrong, and the adversary then: the enemy.

So that's maga and the Conservatives today have come to its threshold, and even started testing it, with a toe. Astounding vitriol from very near circles against provincial politicians even of the same ostensibly, stripe. They didn't fall in line, bend the knee and kiss the boot - how dared they! Maga. Yes, it's here. No denying it.

Conservatives have weeks and months now to make this decision and choice. And it can very well be irreversible. Nothing to guess here.

Indeed, progressive conservatives like Doug Ford should have not try and make waves in the conservative movement. This the problem with the conservatives in Canada. We never see the lieberals try and speak freely. They stick together like glue no matter what. PP was no MAGA nor Trump and that is why he lost. 

If i were PP i would have done what Trump has done. No more taxes on tips, on overtime and on old age security. Get rid of the GST, and end the EV mandate, and the woke and broke Marxist lieberal policies that have pretty much betrayed and destroyed what once was a great country like Canada. 

Myself, i wanted to hear the words like more freedom, less government and less taxes. But now, all those things i mentioned above are here to stay and will surely get worse in the next four more years of lieberal Marxism. It is not only a conservative guy like me that is going to pay big time, it will be the bunch of imbecilic lieberals who voted for the WEF globalist Corney also. Lieberals are such stupid zombies. They never seem to learn anything. 🤮 

[myata]

12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

To be honest there were so many lawsuits, many of which were thrown out, that I stopped paying attention.

Aha "stopped paying attention" means what? That justice isn't important in a democratic society? That it can be discarded and thrown away on a whim or just being bored? C'mon let's see it right to the end - where does it, this path ends do you think?