Matthew Posted May 4 Report Posted May 4 On 4/29/2025 at 4:15 PM, Deluge said: Trump is right in wanting to bypass the immigration courts Lets see, if you're wanting to send everyone you don't like to a foreign concentation camp then the thing you would need to do is get rid of immigration courts. Just claim everyone you don't like is MS13 or some shit and kick them out right? No part of the process in your way to question any facts or consider evidence? 1 1 Quote
Deluge Posted May 4 Author Report Posted May 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, Matthew said: 1. Lets see, if you're wanting to send everyone you don't like to a foreign concentation camp then the thing you would need to do is get rid of immigration courts. 2. Just claim everyone you don't like is MS13 or some shit and kick them out right? 3. No part of the process in your way to question any facts or consider evidence? 1. Nope. First we deport their asses, and then we let the courts zoom call with them while they're in Mexico. It's great because then we won't have to worry and wonder what those a$$holes are doing in our country while they wait for their court dates. 2. No, arrest, detain and deport aliens. We know what they look like - they're pretty easy to spot, and with the help of local enforcement, ICE can tag and bag their asses for removal. 3. Nope. A$$holes let them in, and now they need to go. If they want to get back into the country, they can apply at a POE. Edited May 4 by Deluge Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, Deluge said: 1. Nope. First we deport their asses, and then we let the courts zoom call with them while they're in Mexico. It's great because then we won't have to worry and wonder what those a$$holes are doing in our country while they wait for their court dates. 2. No, arrest, detain and deport aliens. We know what they look like - they're pretty easy to spot, and with the help of local enforcement, ICE can tag and bag their asses for removal. 3. Nope. A$$holes let them in, and now they need to go. If they want to get back into the country, they can apply at a POE. You really don't believe in rule of law or the Constitution. You are all in for a dictatorship. What are you going to do if some day someone decides to come for you or one of yours? Edited May 5 by Aristides 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: You really don't believe in rule of law or the Constitution. You are all in for a dictatorship. What are you going to do if some day someone decides to come for you or one of yours? That already happened. This is the response not the instigation Which I spelled out for a year before trump got elected. You can't create fake charges, you can't weaponize the courts against your political opponents, you can't ignore the law to allow illegal immigration and crime, you can't cancel people you disagree with and then be angry when you turn around and suddenly somebody's doing that against people you approve of. Sorry but this is the reaction. You're a little late to be bringing up the what will you do when it's someone you care about argument, that's what started this Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 5 hours ago, Matthew said: Lets see, if you're wanting to send everyone you don't like to a foreign concentation camp then the thing you would need to do is get rid of immigration courts. Just claim everyone you don't like is MS13 or some shit and kick them out right? No part of the process in your way to question any facts or consider evidence? Who said get rid of immigration courts? It helps if you don't start with a strawman to argue against. 27 minutes ago, Aristides said: You really don't believe in rule of law or the Constitution. You are all in for a dictatorship. What are you going to do if some day someone decides to come for you or one of yours? The rule of law? If folks like you believe in that, you would not support the invasion of illegal immigrants. We are the ones enforcing law now and cleaning up that mess. Quote
Deluge Posted May 5 Author Report Posted May 5 58 minutes ago, Aristides said: You really don't believe in rule of law or the Constitution. You are all in for a dictatorship. What are you going to do if some day someone decides to come for you or one of yours? This is unbelievable. How stupid does one have to be? Can you even say "illegal alien"? We are going after illegal aliens, not goddamn migrants. Biden let illegal aliens into this country and now Trump is removing them. It's a simple process, yet also very satisfying. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 (edited) 11 hours ago, Deluge said: This is unbelievable. How stupid does one have to be? Can you even say "illegal alien"? We are going after illegal aliens, not goddamn migrants. Biden let illegal aliens into this country and now Trump is removing them. It's a simple process, yet also very satisfying. 5th and 14th Amendments dumbasses Read them. Edited May 5 by Aristides Quote
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 14 minutes ago, Aristides said: 5th and 14th Amendments dumbasses Read them. What about them? The question was... can you say illegal alien? It appears you can't. 1 Quote
Deluge Posted May 5 Author Report Posted May 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristides said: 5th and 14th Amendments dumbasses Read them. I have, dumbass, and they don't support what you're pushing. 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien, tells us that the "persons" mentioned in the 5th and 14th do not apply to alien invaders. The President's job is to remove alien invaders, not turn them over to judges to tell everyone what the President already knows - that they're here illegally. Once the President has removed the invaders, the invaders can do whatever they want OUTSIDE the US. You and the democrats are just going to have to go f*ck yourselves. Edited May 5 by Deluge Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 1 hour ago, User said: What about them? The question was... can you say illegal alien? It appears you can't. Read them dumbass. What don't you understand about "No Person". Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Deluge said: I have, dumbass, and they don't support what you're pushing. 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien, tells us that the "persons" mentioned in the 5th and 14th do not apply to alien invaders. The President's job is to remove alien invaders, not turn them over to judges to tell everyone what the President already knows - that they're here illegally. Once the President has removed the invaders, the invaders can do whatever they want OUTSIDE the US. You and the democrats are just going to have to go f*ck yourselves. US Code 135 Quote (a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to theUnited States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b)Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of— (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed. (c)Marriage fraud Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both. (d)Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both. It prescribes penalties, it doesn't say anything about denying due process or grabbing people from their homes and sending them to third world prisons in the middle of the night. It also has nothing to do with any deportation process. Edited May 5 by Aristides 1 Quote
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 13 minutes ago, Aristides said: Read them dumbass. What don't you understand about "No Person". No person... what? The question was, can you say illegal alien? Quote
Deluge Posted May 5 Author Report Posted May 5 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Aristides said: US Code 135 It prescribes penalties, it doesn't say anything about denying due process or grabbing people from their homes and sending them to third world prisons in the middle of the night. It also has nothing to do with any deportation process. That's easy. We just bypass the fines and kick their asses out. If they want to appeal, they can do it from Mexico at a POE. There is no way in hell those Amendments were written for mass illegal invasion. Had the Amenders been able to foresee a piece of shit like Joe Biden, they would have been a lot more clear about which non-citizens are good to stay and who has to go and how they have to go, which is immediately, through the actions of the President. Edited May 5 by Deluge Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 21 minutes ago, User said: No person... what? The question was, can you say illegal alien? It says no person, period, no exceptions. 9 minutes ago, Deluge said: That's easy. We just bypass the fines and kick their asses out. If they want to appeal, they can do it from Mexico at a POE. There is no way in hell those Amendments were written for mass illegal invasion. Had the Amenders been able to foresee a piece of shit like Joe Biden, they would have been a lot more clear about which non-citizens are good to stay and who has to go and how they have to go, which is immediately, through the actions of the President. How does one appeal from a jail in el Salvadore? You have a constitution, either follow it or burn it and become a dictatorship where your rights will be dictated at the whim of whoever happens to be in charge. 1 Quote
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: It says no person, period, no exceptions. Yet again... can you even say the term illegal alien? Like... literally, you do realize these people are here illegally, right? They crossed the border illegally, they stayed here illegally, and you support enforcing border laws? 6 minutes ago, Aristides said: How does one appeal from a jail in el Salvadore? You have a constitution, either follow it or burn it and become a dictatorship where your rights will be dictated at the whim of whoever happens to be in charge. So... you also agree we should be following immigration laws? Have a border? That sanctuary cities flouting the law are wrong, that folks harboring illegal aliens or helping them stay here are wrong? Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 (edited) 12 minutes ago, User said: So... you also agree we should be following immigration laws? Have a border? It says "no person" it doesn't say illegal alien or any other category of person you decide to make up. Quote That sanctuary cities flouting the law are wrong, that folks harboring illegal aliens or helping them stay here are wrong? re here illegally, right? They crossed the border illegally, they stayed here illegally, and you support enforcing border laws? Maybe they are but that doesn't give the federal government or anyone else the right to ignore the constitution. People who violate laws are guaranteed due process. It's in your f*cking constitution. It's also in Canada's constitution and the constitution of every other country that believes in rule of law and human rights. Edited May 5 by Aristides 1 Quote
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 Just now, Aristides said: It says "no person" it doesn't say illegal alien or any other category of person you decide to make up. Illegal Alien is not a made-up term. These are people here violating our laws. They crossed illegally or remained illegally. Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, User said: Illegal Alien is not a made-up term. These are people here violating our laws. They crossed illegally or remained illegally. People who violate laws get due process. It’s in your constitution. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 I’m not saying don’t deport them but entering homes without warrants and hauling people out to be shipped to foreign prisons with no recourse is Gestapo stuff, not worthy of a civilized country. Quote
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 Just now, Aristides said: People who violate laws get due process. It’s in your constitution. What that "due process" is depends on the circumstances. So, what is your point? Lets get real here... since you avoid the questions and don't like the term illegal alien, you just don't want to enforce our border laws and want open borders. 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: I’m not saying don’t deport them but entering homes without warrants and hauling people out to be shipped to foreign prisons with no recourse is Gestapo stuff, not worthy of a civilized country. Example of this please. Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 15 minutes ago, User said: What that "due process" is depends on the circumstances. So, what is your point? Lets get real here... since you avoid the questions and don't like the term illegal alien, you just don't want to enforce our border laws and want open borders. Example of this please. What if someone who doesn't like you tells ICE they think you are or are sheltering an illegal. They barge into your home and before you know it ,you or someone you love is on a redeye to el Salvadore. By the time it becomes clear a mistake has been made will you be able to depend on a government that doubles down on stupid when it is shown to be wrong coming to your rescue, or make up evidence to show you were an illegal or gang member in order to avoid admitting it was wrong. I think we both know the answer to that and that is why everyone is entitled to due process under the law. 1 Quote
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Aristides said: What if someone who doesn't like you tells ICE they think you are or are sheltering an illegal. They barge into your home and before you know it ,you or someone you love is on a redeye to el Salvadore. By the time it becomes clear a mistake has been made will you be able to depend on a government that doubles down on stupid when it is shown to be wrong coming to your rescue, or make up evidence to show you were an illegal or gang member in order to avoid admitting it was wrong. I think we both know the answer to that and that is why everyone is entitled to due process under the law. What if aliens invade and send you off to their mines in another galaxy, where you will slave away until you die for them? Quote
Legato Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 14 minutes ago, Aristides said: What if someone who doesn't like you tells ICE they think you are or are sheltering an illegal. They barge into your home and before you know it ,you or someone you love is on a redeye to el Salvadore. By the time it becomes clear a mistake has been made will you be able to depend on a government that doubles down on stupid when it is shown to be wrong coming to your rescue, or make up evidence to show you were an illegal or gang member in order to avoid admitting it was wrong. I think we both know the answer to that and that is why everyone is entitled to due process under the law. Sounds like a plot for a Netflix Movie. Quote
Aristides Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 11 minutes ago, User said: What if aliens invade and send you off to their mines in another galaxy, where you will slave away until you die for them? They aren’t invading, they are just people wanting a better life. But I get it, you want to allow your government to use the American powers the Nazis and Soviets used to pt people in concentration camps and gulags, the only difference being you are using El Salvador as your gulag. 1 Quote
User Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 20 minutes ago, Aristides said: They aren’t invading, they are just people wanting a better life. But I get it, you want to allow your government to use the American powers the Nazis and Soviets used to pt people in concentration camps and gulags, the only difference being you are using El Salvador as your gulag. You are conflating their actions with their motivations. Wanting a better life doesn't change what they are doing. Our government has a law passed by Congress that Trump was using here and the legality of that is being fought out in the courts as we speak. There is no powers to put people in concentration camps and gulags. Quote
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