Final predictions thread for 2025 election?

[SpankyMcFarland]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The NDP and liberals joined together to beat him. And let's face it that's not exactly a conservative friendly area. But yes he got walloped there's no two ways about it

If I were leader, on day one, as the man below says, I would insist on as safe a seat as possible given that I’m going to be campaigning across the country. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

If I were leader, on day one, as the man below says, I would insist on as safe a seat as possible given that I’m going to be campaigning across the country. 

Well he's been in that writing for a lot of years and I think everyone thought he kind of had it sewn up. Moving is always risky

At the end of the day I don't think anyone really predicted how strongly trump would affect the NDP vote. It almost completely flipped to the libs.  I'm not even sure what he could have done to prevent that.  Trump is an x factor the likes of which we just haven't seen before. And obviously the libs poured resources into that riding as well and got the vote out 

it's super hyper embarrassing for him but i'm not sure what he could have done once it got going, 

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The clearest sign of losing an argument is switching the topic to "unsubstantiated allegations" 😘

And if you weren't a low-IQ cultist you wouldn't find yourself on the losing side every single time, collusion boy.

And speaking of collusion boys, you must have been mortified to find out that 9 LPOC MP's were colluding with China. (of course you weren't, you're a low-IQ cultist)

Sorry, Beavey, but Carney was caught LYING a bunch of times.

He was NOT working for Martin when Martin balanced the budget, period. He went to work for Martin after that happened. I.e., he lied. 100%. Why is it so important for you to dodge your way around that?

Oh your CDS is insane!  The facts are right in front of your dumb dropout face

Senior Associate Deputy Minister of Finance
In office November 15, 2004 – February 4, 2007
Prime Minister	Paul Martin Stephen Harper

 

Deputy Governor of the Bank of Canada
In office August 10, 2003 – November 15, 2004
Prime Minister	Paul Martin
Preceded by	Paul Jenkins
Succeeded by	Tiff Macklem

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And speaking of collusion boys, you must have been mortified to find out that 9 LPOC MP's were colluding with China. (of course you weren't, you're a low-IQ cultist)

Fake news   Not “ colluding”

 

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

He did not avert the 08 recession for Canadians. He was closer to #4 on the totem pole in that regard. It's revolting that he'd try to take the credit for that, and it's even more revolting that CBC does it for him:

Dude His name was all over the international news in those days because of his performance. Back then you were probably some beer drinking lowlife who didn’t pay attention to the news but he was famous then.  How do you think he became the first non-British governor of the Bank of England since it was founded in 1694?

[BeaverFever]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That is the tradition. That's what the conservatives liberals and ndp have done in the past in such circumstances.

Last night Jason Kenney was on CBC saying there is already some bad blood between PPs team and many CPC riding associations members because he had pushed aside “dozens and dozens” of local grassroots candidates and replaced them with his hand-picked appointees. That is also a tradition of sorts but Kenney suggested it went over particularly poorly- not sure if it’s because of the number of candidates it happened to or just they way they went about it. Anyway if true pushing another candidate aside for his own benefit may not be well received. 
 

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

f the election have gone on for even another week I think we'd be looking at reversal of those numbers given the trends that were happening. As it is he strongly outperformed the polling for almost the entire time. If the poles are to be believed he overcame a 12-point deficit to come back and damn near win it.

Yeah but he had a 25-point lead initially and the liberals ended up only 3 seats shy of a majority. At least one of those CPC wins was due to a vote split between the Green incumbent and the Liberal candidate, there may be other CPC wins like that. 
 

 

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Last night Jason Kenney was on CBC saying there is already some bad blood between PPs team and many CPC riding associations members because he had pushed aside “dozens and dozens” of local grassroots candidates and replaced them with his hand-picked appointees. That is also a tradition of sorts but Kenney suggested it went over particularly poorly- not sure if it’s because of the number of candidates it happened to or just they way they went about it. Anyway if true pushing another candidate aside for his own benefit may not be well received. 
 

 

I only know of a few, but part of the problem was the party did not allow the local ridings to pick a candidate till the last minute. In many cases they parachuted someone in which is a constant problem with liberals but traditionally hasn't been a thing for the conservatives as much and is more bitterly Resented when it does happen within the conservatives as a result. I know of one guy who was pushed out of the way and he's been door knocking and raising money and working hard for almost 2 years now, and his writing did not like that one little bit

They really do need to handle that better. Candidates should be selected earlier so that they can get to work, and you need to respect the riding. 

47 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yeah but he had a 25-point lead initially and the liberals ended up only 3 seats shy of a majority.

He didn't have a 25-point lead initially. He had a 25-point lead at the best of times at the absolute height against Trudeau.

When Trudeau left and carney came on then it was a different race especially with trump

It's hard to take you guys seriously when you keep trying to compare PP's polling in November 2024 before trump and before justin left with the election race which began after trump's tariffs and after trudeau left and carney had been selected. Carney immediately soared to a much higher place over the CPC

Not to mention the fact that at his best poilievre was pulling about 44%. He got 42%. Are you trying to suggest that a 2% drop, within the margin of error of most of the poles, is some sort of absolutely disastrous event?

I mean seriously. If we're going to have an honest conversation about this you have to stop with the nonsense. Over the two years since his election as leader he managed to get the party up to about 42 to 44% in the polls, he held that point for almost a year and change, and that's what he finished with. What changed was how people felt about the liberals due to the leadership changing and the fact that they got scared by trump. That boosted the liberals up and there was nothing that carney could have done about that.

So let's get real. He didn't blow anything. The liberals were able to capitalize on the fear trump brought to the table and a change of leadership to be able to steal the votes of the block and the NDP and combine them under the liberal banner and manage to win the election. It was an amazing feat and probably once in a lifetime but they pulled it off. The fact that they did something amazing does not mean that Poilievre did something wrong. Any other point in history his performance would have been a runaway major majority

Edited April 30 by CdnFox

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Oh your CDS is insane!  The facts are right in front of your dumb dropout face

 

Senior Associate Deputy Minister of Finance
In office November 15, 2004 – February 4, 2007
Prime Minister	Paul Martin Stephen Harper

 

 

Deputy Governor of the Bank of Canada
In office August 10, 2003 – November 15, 2004
Prime Minister	Paul Martin
Preceded by	Paul Jenkins
Succeeded by	Tiff Macklem

Fake news   Not “ colluding”

 

Dude His name was all over the international news in those days because of his performance. Back then you were probably some beer drinking lowlife who didn’t pay attention to the news but he was famous then.  How do you think he became the first non-British governor of the Bank of England since it was founded in 1694?

Uhhh, thanks for posting random facts, but the budget was balanced before Carney got there. That's the point is that Carney had nothing at all to do with balancing the Martin budget. 

The other point is that Carney wasn't the main person responsible for averting the '08 recession either. 

Those are just two of his major lies. 

[cougar]

38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Those are just two of his major lies. 

How long before those "F* Carney" stickers appear on the cars?

 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, cougar said:

How long before those "F* Carney" stickers appear on the cars?

 

Dude that happened before the election was finished

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, cougar said:

How long before those "F* Carney" stickers appear on the cars?

It's a "F* Canada" moment. Carney is just a symptom of a much larger problem.

If the MSM's propaganda carnival with Trudeau was a one-off, because our MSM was in love with the family name or something, that would be one thing, but there was no great reason for the MSM to go into propaganda beast mode in favour of Carney as well.

It's clear that Liberal candidates can lie as much and as blatantly as they want, they can divide Canadians by race & vax status when it helps the party, and they can run us into the ground financially, but the MSM will continue to portray them as the saviours of democracy and Canadians will eat from the palm of their hand.

Canada had a good run, but religions, tribes/clans, nations, forms of governance, etc have come and gone for all of human history and that's normal.

• No one prays to Athena anymore.
• Aside from the Scots and the native peoples who just came out of the stone age recently, no one in the western world knows what clan or tribe their ancestors were in.
• In my lifetime Czechoslovakia was split into two countries, Yugoslavia became maybe 6 countries? I don't even know. 
• Monarchies, with their various forms and names, seem to go back forever. In 1500 it seemed like they were here to stay. Now there are are just a few odd ducks like NoKo where hereditary rulers wield real power. Is democracy already crumbling... and leading to what? 

Anyways, the notion that Canada would just last in its current form until the sun goes supernova was just naive. Something was bound to happen. 500 years from now there might be 15 countries between Mexico's southern border and Baffin Island. Who knows? 

All I know is that Canada is no longer a healthy, functioning democracy and I'm not interested with whatever perverted little thing this has become.

I don't know if that means two Canadas, 3 Canadas, some provinces break off and maybe unite into a new country or not, some provinces leave and join America, whatever. 

I just don't care, as long as it's not "this". I'm not interested in seeing how much larger the homeless crisis can get, or how much harder it will become for Canadians to own homes, or what changes the LPOC is eventually going to make to our current form of home ownership or with their new equity taxes, etc. 

Of course Canada was going to change eventually, I just don't like where we're headed. None of the LPOC's changes have been good. Canada was just a far better place to live in 2014 than it is in 2025, and regression was never supposed to be the plan. 

F* Canada.

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Uhhh, thanks for posting random facts, but the budget was balanced before Carney got there. That's the point is that Carney had nothing at all to do with balancing the Martin budget. 

1) Martin’s first budget as PM was in 2005, while Carney was the second highest ranking official in the entire Finance Dept and definitely centrally involved in the budget

2) you falsely claimed He was NOT working for Martin when Martin balanced the budget, period. He went to work for Martin after that

3) Are you not aware that the budget is set EVERY YEAR?  

 

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The other point is that Carney wasn't the main person responsible for averting the '08 recession either. 

He was a central figure and he got the credit at the time his name was in publications all over the world. Not just for managing the interest rate but also as bank regulator who operates at arms length from the elected government with a great deal of autonomy. He dos a lot to keep them liquid and prior to the financial crisis to keep banks from adopting the same American toxic financial shenanigans that caused the US financial crisis to begin with. As a reminder Canada didn’t have a financial crisis thanks to Carney. We had a brief and mild recession due to the US having a financial crisis. 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1) Martin’s first budget as PM was in 2005, while Carney was the second highest ranking official in the entire Finance Dept and definitely centrally involved in the budget

That budget was a mess.

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That budget was a mess.

In what way?

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

In what way?

Several. The economy needed stimulation so they proposed a bunch of tax cuts but none of them kicked in until way in the future after an election would be held. It still relied on the leftovers of the $70 billion dollars that Gretchen and Martin siphoned from the Unemployment fund (and yes btw, almost every dollar of surplus they came up with during their time was a result of the 70 billion dollars they stole from insurance reserves). 

It continued the trend of leaving the provinces holding the bag and paying for a ton of things that the feds were supposed to but had downloaded to the provinces to make it look like they were balancing their budgets when they weren't, they were just passing the bills on

Now in fairness it was a minority government. Minority governments rarely put forward really well thought out budgets because you have to make everyone happy.

But it sure shit wasn't anything to brag about. He  lost the next election for a reason

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

1) Martin’s first budget as PM was in 2005, while Carney was the second highest ranking official in the entire Finance Dept and definitely centrally involved in the budget

2) you falsely claimed He was NOT working for Martin when Martin balanced the budget, period. He went to work for Martin after that

3) Are you not aware that the budget is set EVERY YEAR?  

 

He was a central figure and he got the credit at the time his name was in publications all over the world. Not just for managing the interest rate but also as bank regulator who operates at arms length from the elected government with a great deal of autonomy. He dos a lot to keep them liquid and prior to the financial crisis to keep banks from adopting the same American toxic financial shenanigans that caused the US financial crisis to begin with. As a reminder Canada didn’t have a financial crisis thanks to Carney. We had a brief and mild recession due to the US having a financial crisis. 

Martin was just the finance minister for Chretien when he balanced the budget:

• The latest nose stretcher from Carney is that he helped Paul Martin balance the budget.

  “It was my privilege to work with Paul Martin when he balanced the books and kept the books balanced,” Carney said during Tuesday’s debate.

  Here’s the problem with that statement: Mark Carney, according to his own resume on his LinkedIn profile, never worked with Paul Martin while he was balancing the books as Jean Chretien’s finance minister.

  Martin introduced his first budget to take Canada back to balance on Feb. 27, 1995, and over the next several years did the hard work so that it was balanced in 1998. The plan was to make changes to Canada’s economy and government spending to bring about the first balanced budget in nearly 30 years.

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He was a central figure and he got the credit at the time his name was in publications all over the world. Not just for managing the interest rate but also as bank regulator who operates at arms length from the elected government with a great deal of autonomy.

He never said he was just a central figure. That would have been ok. He just said that he did it. 

He has allowed others to make the claim while he didn't deny it, and he has talked about it as if he did it himself. 

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He dos a lot to keep them liquid and prior to the financial crisis to keep banks from adopting the same American toxic financial shenanigans that caused the US financial crisis to begin with. As a reminder Canada didn’t have a financial crisis thanks to Carney. We had a brief and mild recession due to the US having a financial crisis. 

Wrong. He did nothing to stop our banks from adopting failed bank policies - that was legislated before he got that job.

• as early as the 19th century, Canadian and American banking systems took different paths. Canada set up a strong, single-regulator-concentrated banking system which they say, “absorbed the key sources of economic risk — mortgage and investment banking,” while the U.S. developed what they refer to as a “relatively weak, fragmented, and crisis-prone” banking system. In contrast to Canada, what emerged in the U.S. was a lightly to unregulated banking system and ultimately many more smaller and less stable banks.
• the relative stability of Canada’s banking system in comparison to the U.S. during the 2008 crisis was not a “one-off event,” as Canadian banks were able to avoid other financial crises experienced in the U.S. from 1863-1914 (a period of panics and recessions) and the Great Depression of the 1930’s for the same reasons. These circumstances pre-date Liberal leadership and prime ministerial-hopeful Mark Carney by over a century.
• That being said, the historical differences were not enough to stop two Alberta banks in the 1980’s — Northland Bank and Canadian Commercial Bank (CCB) from diverging from regulatory practices and engaging in behaviours similar to those that fuelled the U.S. 2008 financial crisis.
• But the individual who stepped in to investigate and address these practices was not Mark Carney, who was living in Alberta and 21 years-old at the time, but former Supreme Court judge Willard Estey.
• Estey was ahead of his time and instrumental in making recommended changes to Canada’s banking system that protected the country from the 2008 crisis. Carney can make no such claim. Carney entered his role as Bank of Canada Governor in 2008, after the practices that caused the financial crisis in the U.S. were already in full swing. So, he could not have set up any protections against it.

Thank you National Post.

[WestCanMan]

@BeaverFever Did you read^^ that^^, left4rd? 

Do you finally understand that words came out of the Carney's gob that were the exact opposite of the truth? Do you know what that means?

If I told people that I helped you write your stupid post, would you just say "That's close enough to the truth, I can live with that"? Do you understand that's the exact same thing that Carney did, when he said "It was my privilege to work with Paul Martin when he balanced the books and kept the books balanced"?

If you still don't understand all this, don't worry. The English language is just too complex and nuanced for illiterate cultists to fully understand. Just nod your head and F-off. People are used to seeing you do that now.