CdnFox Posted 14 hours ago Report Posted 14 hours ago Man who attacked female tourist in Vancouver had been released from custody for separate assault hours earlier Man who attacked female tourist in Vancouver had been released from custody for separate assault hours earlier Peterhans Jalo Nungu has since been released again. This is a direct result of liberal changes to the laws in 2017 and 2019. Police and provinces have been begging for the liberals to change the law since then because of the hundreds and hundreds of cases just like this where chronic repeat violent offenders are released the same day that they are captured and immediately offend again. This is the same liberals that Canadians are set to give a fourth term to apparently. Our criminal system is broken. The liberals are the ones who broke it. And they have refused again and again to fix it. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CITIZEN_2015 Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago That was why I have been promoting Capital Punishment for repeat offenders in particular violent crimes against women and children but YOU have been opposing it strongly again and again claiming that even repeat offenders those convicted of violent crimes several times may still be innocent and convicted falsely (for all times)!!!!!. Sent violent offenders to hell where they belong and protect the victims (or potential future victims) not the damn criminals. Quote
CdnFox Posted 13 hours ago Author Report Posted 13 hours ago 6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: That was why I have been promoting Capital Punishment for repeat offenders in particular violent crimes against women and children but YOU have been opposing it strongly again and again claiming that even repeat offenders those convicted of violent crimes several times may still be innocent and convicted falsely (for all times)!!!!!. Even if we had capital punishment with the current loss this guy would be out on Bail. So all you're doing is showing that you actually have no clue what you're talking about which is a Highly Questionable exercise. We are not talking about punishment here. We are talking about the fact that after they are arrested for a violent crime they are immediately that minute released on bail even if they have multiple violent offenses until trial which may be many months down the road. Wait to be irrelevant in one post Is that both of our solutions, yours being capital punishment and mind being life imprisonment without the chance of parole, would have exactly the same result as far as whether or not the person is ever allowed back into public So did you have a comment that didn't make you look a little silly? We'd love to hear that one Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CITIZEN_2015 Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago I said Capital punishment for repeat violent offenders so this guy would have been in hell unable to commit repeat crime here on earth if I had my way. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago I have been promoting Capital Punishment for repeat violent offenders, Private Health care, an end to mass immigration and selective immigration polities all past ten years I have been on this forum but many oppose me . Quote
CdnFox Posted 13 hours ago Author Report Posted 13 hours ago 2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: I said Capital punishment for repeat violent offenders so this guy would have been in hell unable to commit repeat crime here on earth if I had my way. I said life without parole for repeat violent offenders so things would be exactly the same. But the current law requires that they be given parole until they are convicted. So no matter how you slice it violent offenders will still be released into the public to offend again under either of our systems. Thanks for playing. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted 13 hours ago Author Report Posted 13 hours ago Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said: I have been promoting Capital Punishment for repeat violent offenders, Private Health care, an end to mass immigration and selective immigration polities all past ten years I have been on this forum but many oppose me . Absolutely none of which would address this issue. So you're kind of promoting the idea that you aren't worth listening to What needs to happen to address this particular issue is changes to the rules which grant automatic bail under every circumstance without considering history to any person arrested. Remember they haven't been convicted yet, they've only been arrested for a crime and currently the law says until they're convicted you have to let them go. What we need is a change to the laws that says if somebody has a history of violent crime or if any evidence is introduced suggesting There is a reasonable chance that they would offend again then they should not be granted bail until such time as they can prove that they are not a risk. That puts the owners back on them and they are not released until they can make it convincing argument as to why we shouldn't be concerned about them. That's not hard to do. The liberals could have done this at any time in the last 5 years since the problem became abundantly apparent after the change of laws that they did. But they have chosen not to Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Legato Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago 20 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: That was why I have been promoting Capital Punishment for repeat offenders in particular violent crimes against women and children but YOU have been opposing it strongly again and again claiming that even repeat offenders those convicted of violent crimes several times may still be innocent and convicted falsely (for all times)!!!!!. Sent violent offenders to hell where they belong and protect the victims (or potential future victims) not the damn criminals. The sun must be over the yardarm in your part of the world. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 37 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Sent violent offenders to hell where they belong... The man in this case is already in hell. He's been there for some time given he's suffering from mental illness. “He was supposed to be taken to the hospital, that’s why we call(ed) for help.” Magdalene said she wants her son to get the help he needs and deserves, and said he was released to a mental health hospital on Wednesday, where he remains. “I am devastated about what has happened to all the parties who are concerned,” she said. “And all our mental health and our own anxiety, we are all devastated. We are all broken down mentally.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/11148168/family-of-accused-tourist-seawall-attacker-say-they-are-devastated-by-events/amp/ He's not a coddled criminal, he's a neglected patient, but maybe you figure mental illness is just a lifestyle choice or something. Edited 13 hours ago by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted 13 hours ago Report Posted 13 hours ago (edited) No mental illness is not a lifestyle choice but those posing danger to innocent people as was in his case must be kept in cage like wolves and violent animals. Committing his first violent crime he must have been put in jail till his situation was reviewed. If repeat offender, mental illness or not the violent criminal must be sent to hell,, same as a violent dog who keeps attacking people or bystanders I am only interested in protecting his future victims who could me your or my daughter, mother, friend, family. The Conservatives are right in their crackdown on crime policy. I just wished Poilievre was not their leader. Edited 12 hours ago by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
eyeball Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said: No mental illness is not a lifestyle choice but those posing danger to innocent people as was in his case must be kept in cage like wolves and violent animals. Treat the the mentally ill like animals... What kind of society produces people who would even contemplate such a thing never mind actually say it? And people seriously still wonder why crime is on the rise as well. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted 12 hours ago Author Report Posted 12 hours ago 13 minutes ago, eyeball said: The man in this case is already in hell. He's been there for some time given he's suffering from mental illness. “He was supposed to be taken to the hospital, that’s why we call(ed) for help.” Magdalene said she wants her son to get the help he needs and deserves, and said he was released to a mental health hospital on Wednesday, where he remains. “I am devastated about what has happened to all the parties who are concerned,” she said. “And all our mental health and our own anxiety, we are all devastated. We are all broken down mentally.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/11148168/family-of-accused-tourist-seawall-attacker-say-they-are-devastated-by-events/amp/ He's not a coddled criminal, he's a neglected patient, but maybe you figure mental illness is just a lifestyle choice or something. He is a coddled criminal. Of that there is no doubt, he's committed multiple crimes and been released by the system again and again The fact that he also needs help is irrelevant to that primary fact. It only explains why he's a criminal. If they'd kept him in jail, he'd still be untreated for his mental health issues same as now but this woman would not have been attacked. 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Treat the the mentally ill like animals... Treat the criminals like criminals. If you can find a way to treat them and they can demonstrate that they're not a threat anymore then great, release them. But in the meantime you hold them until that happens because Otherwise they go out and treat women like punching bags and I don't see why we would trade treating a criminal like a criminal for treating a woman like an animal 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The fact that he also needs help is irrelevant to that primary fact. It only explains why he's a criminal. You've got it completely backwards. The primary fact is that he's ill. He needs a doctor and a hospital not a judge and a prison. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: Treat the the mentally ill like animals... Treat them like there are, a criminal. I never understood you leftists. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: You've got it completely backwards. The primary fact is that he's ill. He needs a doctor and a hospital not a judge and a prison. Once he commits a violent crime he loses his rights to doctors and hospitals. Hospitals are for sick people to recover not violent criminals. The only place for them is jail and if repeat violence then hell. Edited 12 hours ago by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
blackbird Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago 32 minutes ago, eyeball said: He's not a coddled criminal, he's a neglected patient, but maybe you figure mental illness is just a lifestyle choice or something. The fact is it is you liberals and left who have had political power and allowed the dangerous mentally ill offenders to be out on the street attacking innocent citizens. When are you going to wake up and realize the only party that wants to lock dangerous offenders up for a long time or permanently if necessary are the conservatives? Quote
CdnFox Posted 12 hours ago Author Report Posted 12 hours ago 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: You've got it completely backwards. The primary fact is that he's ill. He needs a doctor and a hospital not a judge and a prison. He needs to be in prison until someone gets him a doctor in a hospital. Or do you feel that for some reason that innocent woman he beat near to death deserve that and had it coming? Considering how often you support violence against innocence it wouldn't surprise me, but I think you'll find most people would disagree Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
blackbird Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago 6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Once he commits a violent crime he loses his rights to doctors and hospitals. Hospitals are for sick people to recover not violent criminals. The only place for them is jail and if repeat violence then hell. I'm not the judge of who goes to hell, but I do agree with you about capital punishment for murderers. We have lots of wimpy people on the forum and across Canada who think murderers should have the same rights as everyone else. I go by the Bible and what I read is that when someone murders someone else, he loses his right to life as long as it is done through a due process fairly. 2 Quote
eyeball Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago 4 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Treat them like there are, a criminal. I never understood you leftists. I don't even want to try to understand people like you. It would be great if you could be ignored but there's just to many of you. I don't know if you people need treatment or punishment but your toxic attitudes certainly need to be neutralized and relegated to the dark ages where they belong. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
taxme Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Man who attacked female tourist in Vancouver had been released from custody for separate assault hours earlier Man who attacked female tourist in Vancouver had been released from custody for separate assault hours earlier Peterhans Jalo Nungu has since been released again. This is a direct result of liberal changes to the laws in 2017 and 2019. Police and provinces have been begging for the liberals to change the law since then because of the hundreds and hundreds of cases just like this where chronic repeat violent offenders are released the same day that they are captured and immediately offend again. This is the same liberals that Canadians are set to give a fourth term to apparently. Our criminal system is broken. The liberals are the ones who broke it. And they have refused again and again to fix it. This is just another prime example of what the lying and corrupt lieberals have done to Canada and Canadians. PP has said that if elected he will change the law and make it a lot harder for criminals to be released. We have way too many appointed leftist lieberal activist judges that make it a lot easier for criminals to get out and stay out of jail. If Corney gets in, he will not change a dam thing. This Corney WEF shill has to go. He is a real and true danger to Canada. This Corney guy wants to stop all oil development in Canada, but yet he is investing in some African country to produce more oil. Bankrupt Canada and make another country rich. That is his WEF globalist game plan. Shocking indeed. Quote
blackbird Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago Just now, eyeball said: your toxic attitudes certainly need to be neutralized and relegated to the dark ages where they belong. I'm afraid it is your attitude that is toxic to Canada. Since you are a liberal lefty, you are responsible for all the catch and release of dangerous offenders, the sick bail and parole system and the violent offenders on the street. So who is in the dark ages? You mock and reject the Bible and biblical Christianity. That means you know who you are following. Quote
eyeball Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: He needs to be in prison He needs to be in a hospital where the overarching value is care and concern for him. 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Or do you feel that for some reason that innocent woman he beat near to death deserve that and had it coming? No individual deserves what happened her. Society OTOH has it coming. This is our failure. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago 3 minutes ago, taxme said: This is just another prime example of what the lying and corrupt lieberals have done to Canada and Canadians. PP has said that if elected he will change the law and make it a lot harder for criminals to be released. We have way too many appointed leftist lieberal activist judges that make it a lot easier for criminals to get out and stay out of jail. If Corney gets in, he will not change a dam thing. This Corney WEF shill has to go. He is a real and true danger to Canada. This Corney guy wants to stop all oil development in Canada, but yet he is investing in some African country to produce more oil. Bankrupt Canada and make another country rich. That is his WEF globalist game plan. Shocking indeed. Did you know that the default position in Canada is to release suspects with conditions if at all possible and under almost all circumstances? That's a fact. I found it on a Canada law website. We live in a sick country. Quote
eyeball Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Since you are a liberal lefty, you are responsible for all the catch and release of dangerous offenders, the sick bail and parole system and the violent offenders on the street. So who is in the dark ages? You mock and reject the Bible and biblical Christianity. That means you know who you are following. Fùck off. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted 12 hours ago Report Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: No individual deserves what happened her. Society OTOH has it coming. This is our failure. What on earth does that mean? OTOH??? Society has it coming? Boy you are in a terrible state. 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Fùck off. That describes your depraved state alright. Edited 12 hours ago by blackbird Quote
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