Bettors strongly back Conservative win, despite a Liberal polling lead

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Dave L said:

No but Carney killed both the Carbon tax and Trudeau stepped aside.  These were the only things PP wanted to do.  Polls from that day on were fairly accurate.

Ecos Skewed the poles in the election. Virtually all of the polling experts who spoke up about it agreed. They wanted to encourage the hard left voters to move to the liberals and convince people that the liberals were going to win a landslide to discourage CPC support. So they have the liberals at 12 or 15 points above the conservatives.

We can see from the results that obviously was never the case. Setting aside the other parties the liberals and conservatives are very close to 50/50. The real difference was minor differences in voter efficiency. Well I'm sure the liberals were slightly ahead at some points it's quite obvious that the whole double digit lead was a complete fabrication

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Dave L said:

I don't hate PP.  I never said anything of the sort. 

I never said you did. I said it would be hard to. Your reaction kind of makes me wonder if perhaps you do have some negative feelings towards him after all

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When the Conservative movement installs a leader, people will follow they will get elected as the government.  The only person to blame, for the CPC is PP.  Excuses are just that, excuses.  The failure of PP to adjust to the circumstances is not a valid reason to blame anyone else.  Did you ever notice that the name calling from you is your only real consistency.  The spin cycle is over, time to put it in the dryer.

Well that's just not the way it works. Let's get real, you and I both know that if jagmeet had actually called an election in November of last year when trudeau was around we would be sitting on a Huge conservative majority.

We both know that the only reason the liberals won this time is because the block and the NDP collapsed and gave them their voters, largely thanks to trump.

There is no doubt that the conservatives made some serious mistakes, most of them last year long before the election started. Making everything about Justin instead of the liberals was a mistake, going after the NDP was a mistake, and making the election about one single issue that the liberals could get rid of with a stroke of a pen was a mistake

But we did add 25 seats. And we had more people voting for us than ever before going back to the 80s. And the block and the NDP are going to want their voters back next time and trump won't be there because the free trade agreement one way or another will have already been negotiated.

Unless put a point on it. Canada by and large voted conservative. Ontario voted liberal. And part of that was thanks to Doug Ford.

So all we need to do to win next time is rework things a little bit to be more appealing in Ontario and if the NDP elects a new leader and gets their voters back then we have a very reasonable chance the majority next time.

[Chrissy1979]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ecos Skewed the poles in the election. Virtually all of the polling experts who spoke up about it agreed. They wanted to encourage the hard left voters to move to the liberals and convince people that the liberals were going to win a landslide to discourage CPC support. So they have the liberals at 12 or 15 points above the conservatives.

We can see from the results that obviously was never the case. Setting aside the other parties the liberals and conservatives are very close to 50/50. The real difference was minor differences in voter efficiency. Well I'm sure the liberals were slightly ahead at some points it's quite obvious that the whole double digit lead was a complete fabrication

You think there was a conspiracy among all the pollsters where they all forecast a CPC supermajority and they all, in lockstep, gave the vote to the Liberals?

No wonder you guys are so easily manipulated. You will literally believe anything rather than admit you're a loser. 😂 

[Dave L]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The west absolutely voted for change. Something like 3/4 of the seats in the west went conservative.

The liberals won of minority, and they had almost the same number of people vote for them as the conservatives did

Carney is absolutely just like Justin and is going to run the country the same way with a few cosmetic differences. This was not change, the same liberals doing the same job with the same program and platform are still in power

And we don't need a lefty liberal like yourself telling us who should run our party. The guy won more seats, and did the best boat wise from any conservative going back to Mulroney. If trump hadn't scared the ndp and bloc voters so badly this would be a huge cpc majority 

Hard to hate someone who delivered close to 41 percent of the vote. 

 

7 minutes ago, Dave L said:

I don't hate PP.  I never said anything of the sort.  When the Conservative movement installs a leader, people will follow they will get elected as the government.  The only person to blame, for the CPC is PP.  Excuses are just that, excuses.  The failure of PP to adjust to the circumstances is not a valid reason to blame anyone else.  Did you ever notice that the name calling from you is your only real consistency.  The spin cycle is over, time to put it in the dryer.

The election is over and I hope the new government succeeds in it's job.  To not want them to succeed would be anti Canadian.  Had it went the other way I would hope the same for the Conservatives.  i wish you all the best.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You think there was a conspiracy among all the pollsters where they all forecast a CPC supermajority and they all, in lockstep, gave the vote to the Liberals?

 

No, but I understand that you're not smart enough to be able to understand the difference

Some posters like ecos have their own reasons for skewing the results. When Poilievre was elected leader the owner Frank Greaves said that he would do everything in his power including using his polling company to make sure Poilievre never won an election "And i don't make idle threats".  He later walked that back but it's very obvious that he did exactly that. His polling questions before asking who you were voting for were unbelievably anti cpc.  Like "Do you think PP will sel us to the Americans, yes a little no.    

Others did some slightly less sketchy things but still had bad methods which they didn't address tll much later in the campaign 

I think for many of the others they had weighting and sample methods that they knew weren't working, but others (like ekos) were reporting such high numbers they didn't want to make massive changes and look like they were wrong.  We saw that in the states with many polling companies during the US election. 

I mean lets get real. Some people changed their minds during the campaign but are you REALLY telling me pp's campaign was SOOOO good that he convinced 12 percent of all canadians to switch votes and come to him? Nope!

As i predicted and as we saw in the last week of the election magically everyone's polls tightened up considerably, many closing by 6 points or more pretty much overnight.  that's them correcting so they don't look so wrong in the end. 

And in the end it was damn near a tie, with the cpc getitng about 41 percent of the vote and the libs getting just over 42. 

So obviously the polling earlier on was very very very wrong, and for some of them it wasn't an accident. 

8 minutes ago, Dave L said:

 

The election is over and I hope the new government succeeds in it's job.  To not want them to succeed would be anti Canadian.  Had it went the other way I would hope the same for the Conservatives.  i wish you all the best.

It's not about hope.  I know what the liberals are going to do. we've seen 10 years of the liberals and it's the same people who are running the show now as then. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is insane. 

And you're not qualified to say what is or isn't Canadian for anyone else you arrogant ignorant prat. 

[Chrissy1979]

Yes, polling is difficult, but if the pollsters had a conspiracy to tank the CPC campaign, they wouldn't have been saying they're 25 points ahead the last two years. You don't always have to look for a conspiracy every time you lose. You should try growing up and accepting that sometimes you lose fair and square 

[Barquentine]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I know what the liberals are going to do.

Oh, of course you do.

 

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

you arrogant ignorant prat. 

Mirror, mirror.....

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Dave L said:

The wool was pulled over Conservative voters eyes with the "vote for change" 3 word liner that Poilievre was saying.  The west didn't vote for change, they voted for the status quo.  Sending more Liberal MPs to Ottawa would have been a vote for change and made the voice of the west heard within the government.  When a leader can't win his own seat, they need a new leader, the people have spoken.

What you said was so stupid that even your fellow left4rds are laughing at you, imbecile. 

Of course change doesn't mean "give the the same party that was just in power for the last 9 years, and ran it into the ground, even more power".

Edited Tuesday at 04:24 PM by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

43 minutes ago, Dave L said:

The election is over and I hope the new government succeeds in it's job. 

Careful what you wish for, imbecile. You have no idea what Carney's vision for "Canada" is.

All that we know for sure is that:

1. he's a liar
2. Xi and Trump - the leaders of the two countries that we're in trade wars with - both wanted Carney elected PM. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:28 PM by WestCanMan

[Chrissy1979]

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Careful what you wish for, imbecile. You have no idea what Carney's vision for "Canada" is.

All that we know for sure is that:

1. he's a liar
2. Xi and Trump - the leaders of the two countries that we're in trade wars with - both wanted Carney elected PM. 

You think Trump would never lie about something like that after watching the CPC collapse in the polls? 😂 

The only thing we know for sure is Polievre was hand-picked by Modi and he couldn’t get security clearance.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You think Trump would never lie about something like that after watching the CPC collapse in the polls? 😂 

Trump is watching Canada collapse, dumbass. That was his plan from the start. Did you miss it?

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The only thing we know for sure is Polievre was hand-picked by Modi and he couldn’t get security clearance.

 

OMG are you ever stupid. You're even embarrassing the leftards here 🤣

You should post more.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Yes, polling is difficult, but if the pollsters had a conspiracy to tank the CPC campaign, they wouldn't have been saying they're 25 points ahead the last two years. You don't always have to look for a conspiracy every time you lose. You should try growing up and accepting that sometimes you lose fair and square 

Why do you keep saying things about conspiracies? You're the only person mentioning that.

52 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You think Trump would never lie about something like that after watching the CPC collapse in the polls? 😂 

The only thing we know for sure is Polievre was hand-picked by Modi and he couldn’t get security clearance.

I hate to break it to you Chrissy but poilievre had his security clearance for many many years under the harper government.

He wouldn't sign the gag order that the liberals insisted he would sign if he got his clearance now. That is very different

And we know that trump prefers the liberals in power. Remember that when carney moved his business to the states he rented the building from Kushner. He already does business with trump

[Chrissy1979]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Why do you keep saying things about conspiracies? You're the only person mentioning that.

I hate to break it to you Chrissy but poilievre had his security clearance for many many years under the harper government.

He wouldn't sign the gag order that the liberals insisted he would sign if he got his clearance now. That is very different

And we know that trump prefers the liberals in power. Remember that when carney moved his business to the states he rented the building from Kushner. He already does business with trump

He got his clearance years ago. The “gag order” was the fact that you’re not allowed to share secret information. He could have gotten security clearance just to prove to the electorate he could get it and chosen not to receive secret information—-then there would be no gag order. He didn’t because he would never get it after his shenanigans with Modi.

It’s hilarious that the Trumper who championed his rapes is now trying to make Ttump the bogeyman. 😂 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

He got his clearance years ago. The “gag order” was the fact that you’re not allowed to share secret information.

Exactly, he's had his clearance he can get it easily it's not really an issue. And the gag order is you're not allowed to talk about anything that you have knowledge of. Even Thomas More care, previous leader of the NDP, said Poilievre is doing the right thing and that he wouldn't have signed it either

 

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He could have gotten security clearance just to prove to the electorate he could get it and chosen not to receive secret information

Nah you can't do that. He would be sent to briefings that's part of the deal. But I understand why you feel the need to lie about it

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It’s hilarious that the Trumper who championed his rapes is now trying to make Ttump the bogeyman. 😂 

The only one who championed rape around here was you with your wanting support of the clintons rapes. All I said was that trump had never been convicted of rape which you claimed he had.

But I don't think there's any doubt that trump is the Boogeyman. The liberals and the NDP and virtually every pundit in Canada is saying the same thing and it's really not much of a mystery.

Sounds like you're entering your denial phase   

[Chrissy1979]

On 4/29/2025 at 3:23 PM, CdnFox said:

 

 Nah you can't do that. He would be sent to briefings that's part of the deal. 

That is a blatant lie.

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

That is a blatant lie.

It's the absolute truth.

This is why he didn't want to sign it. If he signs that he gets the briefings. He gets the briefings he can't talk about them. He can't even ask questions that he knows the answers to.

Foreign interference is a massive issue for us right now yet how much was it discussed at the debates or during the campaign? Poilievre brought it up but everybody else was silent

I understand that very frequently reality does not match what you wanted to be. But that does not change the fact that it's still reality

[Chrissy1979]

If it were true, you could prove it. If you knew what you're talking about, you would have a source of information. Which part of your ass did you pull it out of?

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

If it were true, you could prove it. 

If it wasn't you could prove it wasn't. If you knew what you were talking about you would have a source of information

But we know you're a liar.

you get on the list, you're responsible for staying up to date and if you talk you go to jail. 

That's why Justin wanted him to get the damn thing so badly. He was desperate to shut him up

[eyeball]

On 4/28/2025 at 8:48 PM, CdnFox said:

First past the post is the best possible system we could have even though it's not perfect. All others are worse. Which is pretty much what you could say about democracy as well

Well so long as everybody is comfortable circling the drain.

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well so long as everybody is comfortable circling the drain.

I know, you hate the idea of Elections at all. You've mentioned how useless they are and that you feel that they have no value and we shouldn't be bothering.

But for those of us that believe in democracy first past the post is the best form of representative democracy that currently exists

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I know, you hate the idea of Elections at all. You've mentioned how useless they are and that you feel that they have no value and we shouldn't be bothering.

I did? I bet you can't show anyone. That's just how useless you are.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I did? I bet you can't show anyone. That's just how useless you are.

Everyone seen it. You've gone on for ages about how trying to hold governments to account at elections is stupid and that elections are stupid and so on and so forth

Let's face it, if it wasn't true you'd have just denied it.   that's how guilty you are  

And I see you got an endorsement from moonbox, the other guy on this forum who spends most of his time trying to find a way to rewrite what he said in the past   

[Legato]

On 4/28/2025 at 11:52 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

FPTP makes voting a waste of time in many constituencies and reduces alternatives to what we have. if we were more mature we would have formal coalitions and be honest about the compromises needed to run a country. 

 

You do know when the unicorn was designed the plans were  given to a bunch of formal coalitions and committee's to implement.

We ended up with a monkeykangorillapig and a camel. Even then they couldn't agree on one or two humps.

Imagine a government like this board.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You've gone on for ages about how trying to hold governments to account at elections is stupid

I've certainly mocked your endless claims and bottomless faith that an x on a ballot every 4-5 years is all takes.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And I see you got an endorsement from moonbox, the other guy on this forum who spends most of his time trying to find a way to rewrite what he said in the past 

Prove it.

l

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I've certainly mocked your endless claims and bottomless faith that an x on a ballot every 4-5 years is all takes.

You mean you've certainly mocked the idea of voting an elections. Thank you for coming clean at least.

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Prove it.

Prove it? You left you a reaction it's right in the bottom corner of that post. You are mentally retarded