How effective was the Carbon tax...

[Army Guy]

This article breaks down Canada's efforts on the climate crises...."one of the first of liberal parties talking points was even if Canada stop using fossil fuels all together it would NOT affect global emissions at all"....Which leaves the question of Why even have a policy that does nothing more than punish Canadians,knowing that the Liberal party went ahead and implemented that policy anyways....

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But it’s clear a carbon tax in Canada wouldn’t be effective at lowering global emissions. That’s because Canada only makes up 1.4 per cent of global emissions, a fact former prime minister Justin Trudeau acknowledged.

“Even if Canada stopped everything tomorrow, and the other countries didn’t have any solutions, it wouldn’t make a big difference,” Trudeau said in 2018.

Or as the Parliamentary Budget Officer said, “Canada’s own emissions are not large enough to materially impact climate change.”

 

one of the reasons why Canada's contribution would be useless...is 70 % of the globe does not have a carbon tax, despite Justins failed attempts to convince other nations to jump on board, he continued with punishing Canadians.

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About 70 per cent of countries don’t have a national carbon tax, according to World Bank data. Four of the five largest emitting countries — the U.S., India, Russia and Brazil — don’t impose national carbon taxes.

One of the major reasons why Trudeau failed to sell Canadians on the carbon tax being a legitimate environmental solution was because he failed to sell carbon taxes to the international community, including the United States.

The U.S. federal government doesn’t impose carbon taxes. Democratic presidents and candidates ranging from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden to Kamala Harris, didn’t impose or run on carbon taxes. Republicans haven’t either.

But that didn’t stop Trudeau from trying to convince the rest of the world. At the United Nations 2021 Climate Conference (COP26), Trudeau announced his government’s attempt to push carbon taxes on other countries.

 

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He admitted that citizens in countries with a carbon tax are being penalized. Global carbon taxes would “ensure that those who are leading on pricing pollution don’t get unfairly penalized,” Trudeau said.

Key words here are Justins remarks, unfairly penalized....and yet the liberal party continues to support Carbon taxes. 

Carbon taxes put our nation at a competitive disadvantage,with 70 percent of the global nations.

 

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If the carbon tax was not nationwide, then businesses in provinces with no carbon tax would have a competitive advantage over businesses that were forced to pay the tax. This would encourage more businesses to produce in the provinces where there was no carbon tax.

That same rationale extends globally.

 

 

 

To illustrate this point, take a look at B.C.’s experiment with carbon taxes, a model for Trudeau’s tax. B.C. imposed its carbon tax in  2008. The provincial government claimed it would reduce emissions by a third in 12 years.

“By 2020 and for each subsequent calendar year, B.C. greenhouse gas emissions will be at least 33 per cent less than the level of those emissions in 2007,” reads the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Targets Act.

As of 2022, the latest year that government data has been published, B.C.’s emissions are higher than they were before its carbon tax was imposed.

 

The takeaway is clear: politicians promised the carbon tax would reduce emissions, but emissions went up. At the federal level, the government doesn’t even know how much the carbon tax is reducing emissions, if at all.

Conservative MP Dan Mazier asked if the federal government measures “the annual amount of emissions that are directly reduced from federal carbon pricing.”

Here’s the response from former environment minister Steven Guilbeault, on Jan. 29, 2024: “The government does not measure the annual amount of emissions that are directly reduced by federal carbon pricing.”

One would think that a government that convinced Canadians that there is a Climate emergency, and we as a nation take this very seriously or risk our planet burning up....that our government would atleast bring in policy that would make a difference...But they knew all along that any policy they developed would be useless, and just punish Canadians....but they went ahead with it anyways....

Just a note here the US does not have a carbon tax and somehow they managed to reduce their emissions further than Canada did, with 10times the population...

And although carbon taxes have been canceled for individuals, it is still applied to industry...with Carney already telling us he has no intentions on scrapping it but increasing it ....KNOWING it does not make a difference in climate change....

Liberals promised the carbon tax would reduce emissions, but emissions went up

[Army Guy]

And here we go again Mark Carney will try to convince the globe that carbon pricing is the next new thing....DId justin not already try and sell them on carbon pricing....not like this....Carneys carbon pricing will be more confusing, more double speak so no one understands what it is trying to do....it's is the liberals carbon pricing with a huge amount of lipstick on it...and it is designed once again to punish all those that take part in it...And liberal voters are eating this up....like a fat kid eating smarties...

Terence Corcoran: Mark Carney’s plan for ‘superpower’ Canada tricks voters

[taxme]

On 4/11/2025 at 10:21 AM, Army Guy said:

This article breaks down Canada's efforts on the climate crises...."one of the first of liberal parties talking points was even if Canada stop using fossil fuels all together it would NOT affect global emissions at all"....Which leaves the question of Why even have a policy that does nothing more than punish Canadians,knowing that the Liberal party went ahead and implemented that policy anyways....

one of the reasons why Canada's contribution would be useless...is 70 % of the globe does not have a carbon tax, despite Justins failed attempts to convince other nations to jump on board, he continued with punishing Canadians.

Key words here are Justins remarks, unfairly penalized....and yet the liberal party continues to support Carbon taxes. 

Carbon taxes put our nation at a competitive disadvantage,with 70 percent of the global nations.

 

 

To illustrate this point, take a look at B.C.’s experiment with carbon taxes, a model for Trudeau’s tax. B.C. imposed its carbon tax in  2008. The provincial government claimed it would reduce emissions by a third in 12 years.

“By 2020 and for each subsequent calendar year, B.C. greenhouse gas emissions will be at least 33 per cent less than the level of those emissions in 2007,” reads the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Targets Act.

As of 2022, the latest year that government data has been published, B.C.’s emissions are higher than they were before its carbon tax was imposed.

 

The takeaway is clear: politicians promised the carbon tax would reduce emissions, but emissions went up. At the federal level, the government doesn’t even know how much the carbon tax is reducing emissions, if at all.

Conservative MP Dan Mazier asked if the federal government measures “the annual amount of emissions that are directly reduced from federal carbon pricing.”

Here’s the response from former environment minister Steven Guilbeault, on Jan. 29, 2024: “The government does not measure the annual amount of emissions that are directly reduced by federal carbon pricing.”

One would think that a government that convinced Canadians that there is a Climate emergency, and we as a nation take this very seriously or risk our planet burning up....that our government would atleast bring in policy that would make a difference...But they knew all along that any policy they developed would be useless, and just punish Canadians....but they went ahead with it anyways....

Just a note here the US does not have a carbon tax and somehow they managed to reduce their emissions further than Canada did, with 10times the population...

And although carbon taxes have been canceled for individuals, it is still applied to industry...with Carney already telling us he has no intentions on scrapping it but increasing it ....KNOWING it does not make a difference in climate change....

Liberals promised the carbon tax would reduce emissions, but emissions went up

It was effective in stealing and blowing more of my tax dollars. Many thieves in Ottawa made plenty of money from that carbon scam. It's criminal as to what the Marxist in Ottawa have done to Canada. And yet, there are still buffoons and fools who will still vote for those thieves. 🙄

[CdnFox]

On 4/11/2025 at 10:39 AM, Army Guy said:

And here we go again Mark Carney will try to convince the globe that carbon pricing is the next new thing....DId justin not already try and sell them on carbon pricing....not like this....Carneys carbon pricing will be more confusing, more double speak so no one understands what it is trying to do....it's is the liberals carbon pricing with a huge amount of lipstick on it...and it is designed once again to punish all those that take part in it...And liberal voters are eating this up....like a fat kid eating smarties...

Terence Corcoran: Mark Carney’s plan for ‘superpower’ Canada tricks voters

I have no doubt that right now the liberals are not sitting back and thinking that the carbon tax was a mistake, they are saying that doing it in a way that Canadians could see it on a regular basis was a mistake. I have no doubt that they will say they are going to put a price on carbon in that at saving the universe but then bury it somewhere where everyone can forget about it and yet it will pour money into their coffers to be able to funnel into worldwide groups and Charities and climate activists organizations which will all hire him as a board member when he retires from politics and he will make tens of millions a year for doing absolutely nothing. Which is what Justin Trudeau is doing right now

Which basically means at the end of the day the liberal party has discovered a way to turn the population into serfs who labor for their benefit and richness just like in the old days and yet somehow made it socially acceptable

[cougar]

On 4/11/2025 at 10:21 AM, Army Guy said:

This article breaks down Canada's efforts on the climate crises...."one of the first of liberal parties talking points was even if Canada stop using fossil fuels all together it would NOT affect global emissions at all"....Which leaves the question of Why even have a policy that does nothing more than punish Canadians,knowing that the Liberal party went ahead and implemented that policy anyways....

one of the reasons why Canada's contribution would be useless...is 70 % of the globe does not have a carbon tax, despite Justins failed attempts to convince other nations to jump on board, he continued with punishing Canadians.

 

These are two separate items:

1. Is there climate emergency and should we do what it takes to help the environment and climate recover?

2. Was carbon pricing achieving any environmental protection function and should it continue?

On 1, I am sure most would agree the answer is Yes.

On 2, most will agree the answer is No.

There you have it with few words.

[August1991]

On 4/11/2025 at 1:21 PM, Army Guy said:

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The takeaway is clear: politicians promised the carbon tax would reduce emissions, but emissions went up. At the federal level, the government doesn’t even know how much the carbon tax is reducing emissions, if at all.

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Disagree.

If you tax something, people will stop doing it.

If the price is higher, people will do less.

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How did the federal Liberals sell this incentive idea?

(Note where Steve Guilbault is now.)

[cougar]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

If the price is higher, people will do less.

The main carbon polluters are not individuals but the industries - mining, forestry, oil and gas, transportation, construction etc.   None of these will be "doing less".  They will pass the carbon tax on to you and you deal with it!

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, cougar said:

These are two separate items:

1. Is there climate emergency and should we do what it takes to help the environment and climate recover?

2. Was carbon pricing achieving any environmental protection function and should it continue?

On 1, I am sure most would agree the answer is Yes.

On 2, most will agree the answer is No.

There you have it with few words.

Actually more and more are beginning to doubt number one. If that were true why didn't the liberals take it seriously in the last 10 years? Presumably they have access to even more science than the average individual and yet they did nothing substantial to try and address the issue in any meaningful way.

I also noticed that a number of people including myself here very frequently ask those who say that it is a climate emergency to provide any scientific research That shows that it is a climate emergency and an urgent circumstance or to provide any evidence whatsoever that anything we could possibly do would make a difference. Despite numerous conversations with people who supposedly are knowledgeable and pretend to care not one has ever produced a single scientific document or research showing that it is a climate emergency at all .  Just websites that say 'trust the science' without providing any science,  or graphs about carbon without any science attached. 

But hey  maybe you can break the cycle !   Could you post some actual research papers that conclusively demonstrate this is an emergency and even better something that would show we could do anything about it?

but yes, it would seem that people have realized that carbon taxes were useless. But seeing as the government and Kearney are so adamant about them, knowing that they are useless, and yet they did nothing else you have to wonder if there really is a  climate emergency  They certainly don't seem to think so

 

Edited Sunday at 04:03 AM by CdnFox

[August1991]

3 hours ago, cougar said:

The main carbon polluters are not individuals but the industries - mining, forestry, oil and gas, transportation, construction etc.   None of these will be "doing less".  They will pass the carbon tax on to you and you deal with it!

Disagree. Strongly.

The theory of climate warming (now, climate change) is based on the greenhouse effect.

In this theory, our problem is not carbon. It is excess "carbon dioxide".

cougar, do you know the difference between carbon and CO2?

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree. Strongly.

The theory of climate warming (now, climate change) is based on the greenhouse effect.

In this theory, our problem is not carbon. It is excess "carbon dioxide".

cougar, do you know the difference between carbon and CO2?

Hold it for a sec you two....  i want to get some popcorn for this....  

[August1991]

On 4/13/2025 at 4:08 AM, CdnFox said:

Hold it for a sec you two....  i want to get some popcorn for this....  

CdnFox,

We should be sending probes to Venus to figure out what happened.

No human will ever live on Mars.

 

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, August1991 said:

CdnFox,

We should be sending probes to Venus to figure out what happened.

No human will ever live on Mars.

 

What do you mean what happened? What events are you thinking will solve by going to venus? Do you think there was a third kennedy shooter hiding from behind venus or something?

[August1991]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What do you mean what happened? What events are you thinking will solve by going to venus? Do you think there was a third kennedy shooter hiding from behind venus or something?

Apparently, the planet Venus suffered from "climate change". Too much CO2.

Kennedy?

Check out:

 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Apparently, the planet Venus suffered from "climate change". Too much CO2.

I'm not sure who told you that but that is actually factually wrong.

Venus did not suffer from climate change. Venus's climate was the same from the beginning. It is true that they are suffering from a runaway greenhouse effect, but that is not because of CO2. The reason for that is their atmosphere is over 100 times as dense as our own. That's like going to bed and instead of having one blanket have somebody come and dump 100 blankets on top of you. Of course you're going to overheat. There's a slightly higher carbon content in their air but it's utterly meaningless, they're hot because their atmosphere is unbelievably dense and traps every ounce of heat from the sun, coupled with the fact that they're a hell of a lot closer to the sun so they get way more heat energy. 

Venus did not become a victim of climate change. By the way we have actually sent probes there.

7 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Kennedy?

Check out:

Oh shut up.