gatomontes99 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 TPUSA is a Charlie Kirk founded organization that goes to college campuses with a "Prove me wrong about..." sign and then videos and publishes the debates that occur. It is a great way for both sides to exercise free speech. So the left did this: UC Davis did nothing to stop it. No one will be arrested because the cops did nothing to prevent the crime or apprehend anyone that participated. All because they wanted to have a public debate about topics. And they call us fascists. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CdnFox Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 That's pretty disgusting. The lefties do love their canceled culture and if that means somebody's got to get attacked then so be it. There just damn lucky they didn't drive a Tesla onto the campus Quote
robosmith Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 "Prove me wrong" is NOT DEBATE. It is an ARROGANT ASSUMPTION of SUPERIORITY. 🤮 1 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 1 minute ago, robosmith said: "Prove me wrong" is NOT DEBATE. It is an ARROGANT ASSUMPTION of SUPERIORITY. 🤮 No, it's an invitation to discuss the topic. And you attacked it because you know that if you had stepped to the mic the whole internet would have seen what a fool you are. Why didn't you denounce the attack? Your post seems to excuse it. Are you for violence over debate? 3 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
WestCanMan Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 12 hours ago, robosmith said: "Prove me wrong" is NOT DEBATE. It is an ARROGANT ASSUMPTION of SUPERIORITY. 🤮 It's absolutely debate. It is the essence of polite, informative debate. They give people the opportunity to come and talk about whatever they want to, they let them have their full say, and then they politely reply with all of the pertinent facts. How is that not debate? Your problem is that actual debate is anathema to leftists. You want to watch a CNN monologue or a Demi demagogue's rant, commit their screed to memory, and then set your confirmation bias filter to 'scorched earth'. That's why you still believe that Fauci is science incarnate... CNN hasn't said anything to the contrary, and nothing that you see from the other tribe will ever register in your 'brain'. You're incapable of learning from them. Here's how leftists debate: ask Kamala Harris a question and she'll start filibustering, dodging, lying, and at the end of it, you're no closer to having your question answered than if you wrote it on rice paper and threw it in a volcano. That's what she did for the whole election cycle and you were enthralled every time she spoke. And as far as you're concerned, anyone who disproves her drivel is just a racist. "BUT SHE WASN'T THE BORDER CZAR! AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WAS COMPLETELY UNDER CONTROL, 24/7! NO CRIMINALS AND NO DRUGS CAME ACROSS THE BORDER, YOU'RE JUST A RACIST!" It's sad how close to the presidency that pathetic formula actually got you clowns. In an ideal world, she would have gotten 3% of the vote with that BS. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 (edited) 12 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Why didn't you denounce the attack? Your post seems to excuse it. Are you for violence over debate? Leftists are dead against the free flow of information, period, and they'll go to any length to fight it. They were thrilled with a social media ban on the truth about the BSL4 lab and the laptop. If they managed to get Fox News shut down in 2020, while Twitter was still a member of TNI, giving 100% control of every narrative to CNN and TNI, they would have been in their glory. When they all turned on Elon Musk for buying Twitter, it was just proof that they valued their disinformation cartel more than they cared about global warming. If those guys killed Charlie Kirk he'd be hoping that they all got away with it, and that the message was received loud and clear by anyone who dared to challenge leftard dogma. Edited April 9 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
robosmith Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 48 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: It's absolutely debate. It is the essence of polite, informative debate. They give people the opportunity to come and talk about whatever they want to, they let them have their full say, and then they politely reply with all of the pertinent facts. How is that not debate? Your problem is that actual debate is anathema to leftists. You want to watch a CNN monologue or a Demi demagogue's rant, commit their screed to memory, and then set your confirmation bias filter to 'scorched earth'. That's why you still believe that Fauci is science incarnate... CNN hasn't said anything to the contrary, and nothing that you see from the other tribe will ever register in your 'brain'. You're incapable of learning from them. Here's how leftists debate: ask Kamala Harris a question and she'll start filibustering, dodging, lying, and at the end of it, you're no closer to having your question answered than if you wrote it on rice paper and threw it in a volcano. That's what she did for the whole election cycle and you were enthralled every time she spoke. And as far as you're concerned, anyone who disproves her drivel is just a racist. "BUT SHE WASN'T THE BORDER CZAR! AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WAS COMPLETELY UNDER CONTROL, 24/7! NO CRIMINALS AND NO DRUGS CAME ACROSS THE BORDER, YOU'RE JUST A RACIST!" It's sad how close to the presidency that pathetic formula actually got you clowns. In an ideal world, she would have gotten 3% of the vote with that BS. You're an ignorant a-hole. Prove me wrong. Because ^this proves me right. They come in with a pre-researched topic and make a claim THEY ARE RIGHT, prove me wrong. Others are NOT equally prepared for a specific topic and thus have NO EVIDENCE prepared. Then THEY present "the FACTS" with no BURDEN of evidence. AKA NOT DEBATE. Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 8 hours ago, robosmith said: You're an ignorant a-hole. Prove me wrong. Because ^this proves me right. They come in with a pre-researched topic and make a claim THEY ARE RIGHT, prove me wrong. Others are NOT equally prepared for a specific topic and thus have NO EVIDENCE prepared. Then THEY present "the FACTS" with no BURDEN of evidence. AKA NOT DEBATE. FYI campuses are highly toxic environments, as displayed by violent riots in Berkeley back in 2017, just like the crap we're talking about in this thread, just like the pro-Hamas riots in Columbia et al, violent BLM riots in 2020, etc, etc. Cancel culture on campuses really goes hard at conservatives, and they have leftist BS forced on them on a daily basis. The threat of ostracism is serious for kids who left home and have to create a new social/support group on campus. If two leftards call someone a racist, as leftists are wont to do for no good reason, that person will face years of violence instead of having the time of their life. Charlie Kirk goes onto college campuses and pushes back on those overzealous cultists, and you'll note that none of the leftist profs who punch down on their students at those universities have the balls to talk to Charlie Kirk face-to-face. You wouldn't know an honest debate from kristallnacht you sick little cultist. You still think that Kamala's "I was raised in a middle-class neighbourhood" is the perfect answer for every question. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
robosmith Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: FYI campuses are highly toxic environments, as displayed by violent riots in Berkeley back in 2017, just like the crap we're talking about in this thread, just like the pro-Hamas riots in Columbia et al, violent BLM riots in 2020, etc, etc. Cancel culture on campuses really goes hard at conservatives, and they have leftist BS forced on them on a daily basis. The threat of ostracism is serious for kids who left home and have to create a new social/support group on campus. If two leftards call someone a racist, as leftists are wont to do for no good reason, that person will face years of violence instead of having the time of their life. Charlie Kirk goes onto college campuses and pushes back on those overzealous cultists, and you'll note that none of the leftist profs who punch down on their students at those universities have the balls to talk to Charlie Kirk face-to-face. You wouldn't know an honest debate from kristallnacht you sick little cultist. You don't have the slightest idea how a real debate works. It's NOT Kirk verbally bullying the unprepared. 10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: You still think that Kamala's "I was raised in a middle-class neighbourhood" is the perfect answer for every question. Everyone KNOWS you're LYING when you start CLAIMING what other people think. Duh And they're right. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 37 minutes ago, robosmith said: You don't have the slightest idea how a real debate works. It's NOT Kirk verbally bullying the unprepared. You clearly haven't seen one of these. If you have, then your definition of bullying is asserting facts and opinions are correcting when someone disagrees. If that's the case, then you are on here bullying people all the time. But, so am I and everyone else on this page. If you are using the traditional (and most correct) definition of bullying, then you can easily show me Charlie being a bully. Or find your own. You are applying intent where you don't know the intent. Can prove me wrong be arrogant or combative? Sure. But it can also be an invitation to inform and instruct. These are debates. They aren't formal, graded debates with note cards and judges. They are debates where real people get to come to him and play stump the chump. And they know well in advance so if they are unpreparrwd, that's on them. 2 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CdnFox Posted Thursday at 04:15 PM Report Posted Thursday at 04:15 PM 14 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: You clearly haven't seen one of these. If you have, then your definition of bullying is asserting facts and opinions are correcting when someone disagrees. If that's the case, then you are on here bullying people all the time. But, so am I and everyone else on this page. If you are using the traditional (and most correct) definition of bullying, then you can easily show me Charlie being a bully. Or find your own. You are applying intent where you don't know the intent. Can prove me wrong be arrogant or combative? Sure. But it can also be an invitation to inform and instruct. These are debates. They aren't formal, graded debates with note cards and judges. They are debates where real people get to come to him and play stump the chump. And they know well in advance so if they are unpreparrwd, that's on them. It absolutely is debate by any reasonable definition, even if not "formal" style. However it is fair to say its debate specifically designed to get people to think rather than necessarily change people's minds. I'm sure it does change minds especially for observers and such and for a number of the people speaking but it's also intended to cause people to question their echo chamber beliefs and re examine them more critically and see if they have the right conclusions, and that is so critical. Challenging beliefs like that makes people stronger and teaches them to think better. They learn to make better arguments and dig deeper before parroting talking points and it challenges them. And they have a chance to become much better critical thinkers as a result. My phylosophy teacher in university told us when we got to the section involving religion that "if you come by your faith for the right and honest reasons this is not going to weaken your faith at all, if anything it may make it stronger. But if you come by your faith for the WRONG reasons.... this is going to probably kill it. " Every college and university kid should have their beliefs shaken one way or another and this is an excellent, non violent, well structured way to do that. Quote
Nationalist Posted Thursday at 04:32 PM Report Posted Thursday at 04:32 PM (edited) 15 hours ago, robosmith said: You don't have the slightest idea how a real debate works. It's NOT Kirk verbally bullying the unprepared. Everyone KNOWS you're LYING when you start CLAIMING what other people think. Duh And they're right. LOL...I can hear you squirming and stretching reality just to argue this. Face it robo...you and your Libbie friends will do and say anything to justify your fascist desires. Edited Thursday at 04:58 PM by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
gatomontes99 Posted Thursday at 04:40 PM Author Report Posted Thursday at 04:40 PM 21 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It absolutely is debate by any reasonable definition, even if not "formal" style. However it is fair to say its debate specifically designed to get people to think rather than necessarily change people's minds. I'm sure it does change minds especially for observers and such and for a number of the people speaking but it's also intended to cause people to question their echo chamber beliefs and re examine them more critically and see if they have the right conclusions, and that is so critical. Challenging beliefs like that makes people stronger and teaches them to think better. They learn to make better arguments and dig deeper before parroting talking points and it challenges them. And they have a chance to become much better critical thinkers as a result. My phylosophy teacher in university told us when we got to the section involving religion that "if you come by your faith for the right and honest reasons this is not going to weaken your faith at all, if anything it may make it stronger. But if you come by your faith for the WRONG reasons.... this is going to probably kill it. " Every college and university kid should have their beliefs shaken one way or another and this is an excellent, non violent, well structured way to do that. And yet the voters of collegiate age voted far more conservative than any of the current generations. Now, Kirk did not do all of that. But he definitely helped. These videos took conversations amongst a small group and brought in thousands of listeners. I've said it here. I'm debating the libs, but my audience is the third party that we don't know is reading. The same is true, on a much bigger scale, with the "Prove Me Wrong" events. Those videos went viral and the next election went far more conservative for that age group. That's not coincidence. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
robosmith Posted Thursday at 05:06 PM Report Posted Thursday at 05:06 PM 32 minutes ago, Nationalist said: LOL...I can hear you squirming and stretching reality just to argue this. Face it robo...you and your Libbie friends will do and say anything to justify your fascist desires. Face it gnat Girl, you don't understand what real debate is; and you prove that HERE everyday. LMAO Quote
WestCanMan Posted Thursday at 05:36 PM Report Posted Thursday at 05:36 PM 16 hours ago, robosmith said: You don't have the slightest idea how a real debate works. It's NOT Kirk verbally bullying the unprepared.. Bobo: "😭 WAAAAH! HE WUZ UNPWEPAWED!!!!" Guess what, genius, no one forces those kids to go to the mic. If they're unprepared then they can stand there with their mouths shut and no one will ever know how unprepared they are because no one will hear them speak, get it? You hate those debates because the kids there getting dummied remind you of yourself. They, like you, go into debates feeling like they have all the answers and everyone else is wrong, and then they find out the hard way that they just had a bunch of mistaken beliefs. But unlike you, they can't just pretend that they never heard the answer and leave a thread never to return when they get embarrassed. Their faces are on camera, and they have to put their tail between their legs and do the walk of shame past all of the people who they thought they were better than. My advice to you: if you're ever at a campus (trying to pick up young boys is my guess) and you see a TPUSA setup, stay away from the mic. Just wallow in your ignorance, put on your best frowny face, and stay silent. Very, very silent. Eventually the truth will go away and you can speak libtard again. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
robosmith Posted Thursday at 05:38 PM Report Posted Thursday at 05:38 PM Just now, WestCanMan said: Bobo: "😭 WAAAAH! HE WUZ UNPWEPAWED!!!!" Guess what, genius, no one forces those kids to go to the mic. If they're unprepared then they can stand there with their mouths shut and no one will ever know how unprepared they are because no one will hear them speak, get it? You hate those debates because the kids there getting dummied remind you of yourself. They, like you, go into debates feeling like they have all the answers and everyone else is wrong, and then they find out the hard way that they just had a bunch of mistaken beliefs. But unlike you, they can't just pretend that they never heard the answer and leave a thread never to return when they get embarrassed. Their faces are on camera, and they have to put their tail between their legs and do the walk of shame past all of the people who they thought they were better than. My advice to you: if you're ever at a campus (trying to pick up young boys is my guess) and you see a TPUSA setup, stay away from the mic. Just wallow in your ignorance, put on your best frowny face, and stay silent. Very, very silent. Eventually the truth will go away and you can speak libtard again. My advice to you is to stop making a fool of yourself and learn what real debate is. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted Thursday at 05:42 PM Report Posted Thursday at 05:42 PM 1 minute ago, robosmith said: My advice to you is to stop making a fool of yourself and learn what real debate is. That should have been the point where you crawled away to pretend you didn't see my reply. Again: those kids don't have to step up to the mic and get dummied if they don't want to. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
robosmith Posted Thursday at 06:23 PM Report Posted Thursday at 06:23 PM 39 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: That should have been the point where you crawled away to pretend you didn't see my reply. Again: those kids don't have to step up to the mic and get dummied if they don't want to. ^Doesn't change the FACT that it's NOT REAL DEBATE and it PROVES NOTHING. Duh 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted Thursday at 07:39 PM Author Report Posted Thursday at 07:39 PM 1 hour ago, robosmith said: ^Doesn't change the FACT that it's NOT REAL DEBATE and it PROVES NOTHING. Duh It's a real debate. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CouchPotato Posted Thursday at 08:21 PM Report Posted Thursday at 08:21 PM On 4/9/2025 at 12:02 AM, robosmith said: "Prove me wrong" is NOT DEBATE. It is an ARROGANT ASSUMPTION of SUPERIORITY. 🤮 So in your opinion "prove me wrong" does not debate properly. How does this relate to the topic at hand? Do you support them tearing down their setup and members of TPUSA? Quote
robosmith Posted Thursday at 08:45 PM Report Posted Thursday at 08:45 PM (edited) 24 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: So in your opinion "prove me wrong" does not debate properly. It is FACT which you would know if you looked it up. Prove me wrong. LMAO Of course ^these rules don't mention that the subject is known in advance and time is given to PREPARE. 24 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: How does this relate to the topic at hand? Do you support them tearing down their setup and members of TPUSA? Apparently no laws were broken. How did they "tearing down... members of TPUSA"? I have no problem with disrupting the SPREAD of PROPAGANDA. The fact that you oppose it just shows how little you understand about the spreading of propaganda. Real debate illuminates. That is obviously not the goal of Kirk. Edited Thursday at 08:46 PM by robosmith 1 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted Thursday at 09:01 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:01 PM 4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: And yet the voters of collegiate age voted far more conservative than any of the current generations. Now, Kirk did not do all of that. But he definitely helped. These videos took conversations amongst a small group and brought in thousands of listeners. I think anytime you get kids to question their echo chamber beliefs you are playing a large role in making the country a more healthy place mentally and yes, a lot of those kids are going to find the facts and truths of the right appealing when they really start to look at things and break free of the talking points. And i do believe he does play a significant' role in that. The waves in a pond the rock causes are still there long after the rock is gone. And here's a point many don't realize - even if a person who believed differently than they do goes away , does some research and still believes the way they do, there is a MUCH better chance they will be less angry and violent and more tolerant of others, because they will be more confident and comfortable with their beliefs and with others feeling a different way. If your beliefs have been put through the acid test and you feel confident in them you dont' tend to find other people's beliefs nearly as threatening. Quote I've said it here. I'm debating the libs, but my audience is the third party that we don't know is reading. The same is true, on a much bigger scale, with the "Prove Me Wrong" events. Those videos went viral and the next election went far more conservative for that age group. That's not coincidence. True. Quote
CouchPotato Posted Thursday at 09:01 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:01 PM 9 minutes ago, robosmith said: It is FACT which you would know if you looked it up. Prove me wrong. LMAO Once again, your opinion as to whether or not Turning Point USA's 'Prove Me Wrong' qualifies as valid debate is irrelevant to the topic at hand. There are no laws about debate. You just posted an image of general rules for debate. Way to go, Robes. Quote Apparently no laws were broken. There were masked people tearing down their setup and engaging with them physically. The fact that the cops did nothing does not mean no laws were broken. If you really believe that then next time a left-wing group sets up some sort of activist tent or whatever on a campus, then it will be perfectly fine for conservative college students to tear it all down. Quote
CdnFox Posted Thursday at 09:03 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:03 PM 3 hours ago, robosmith said: My advice to you is to stop making a fool of yourself and learn what real debate is. Dude you misused the term Dunning-Kruger and Cognitive dissonance for like 6 months straight and couldn't figure it out. The chances of you getting what "real" ANYTHING is seems pretty damn small. Quote
robosmith Posted Thursday at 09:42 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:42 PM 32 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: Once again, your opinion as to whether or not Turning Point USA's 'Prove Me Wrong' qualifies as valid debate is irrelevant to the topic at hand. There are no laws about debate. IN FACT there are rules regarding debate. If they are not followed, it's NOT DEBATE. 32 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: You just posted an image of general rules for debate. Way to go, Robes. So now you know there are rules. Congrats. 32 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: There were masked people tearing down their setup and engaging with them physically. I don't believe the cops would ignore the situation if there was a physical altercation. You can't even cite there was any kind of violence. 32 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: The fact that the cops did nothing does not mean no laws were broken. In reality, no charges, no laws were broken. AKA you're just speculating. 32 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: If you really believe that then next time a left-wing group sets up some sort of activist tent or whatever on a campus, then it will be perfectly fine for conservative college students to tear it all down. Conservatives going to a college to incite trouble, are just asking for it. Like the neo-Nazis parading in Skokie, IL which is a KNOWN elderly Jewish neighborhood with a lot of holocaust survivors. You're just applauding troublemakers cause you believe they are pushing YOUR AGENDA. Quote
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