10 Symptoms of the Woke Mind Virus for right wingers who imagine it's something else

[CdnFox]

Just now, Barquentine said:

You haven't defined woke. You just made a list of things you think are wrong. 

I absolutely defined woke. 

quote "And the definition of woke usually boils down to being simply left-wing ideology taken to an extreme where the outcome or proposal is more focused on ideological factors rather than practical or reasonable ones."

 

And you cut that out. 

Sigh.  If you didn't have dishonesty you'd have no honesty. 

[CouchPotato]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I absolutely defined woke. 

quote "And the definition of woke usually boils down to being simply left-wing ideology taken to an extreme where the outcome or proposal is more focused on ideological factors rather than practical or reasonable ones."

That's a pretty good definition. I have often thought of making a post where I present several pairs of statements or actions and ask which one from each pair do you think most closely represents woke ideology. Sort of a multiple choice woke test for the leftists who claim there is no definition. I have no doubt that if I did this everyone would be able to answer it. Even if they only do so in their own heads. Even Michael Hardner who claims to be mystified by the concept would get 100% easily. But then that is exactly why I don't do it. It's pointless. They know. We know they know. They know they know. They know we know they know.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

That's a pretty good definition. I have often thought of making a post where I present several pairs of statements or actions and ask which one from each pair do you think most closely represents woke ideology. Sort of a multiple choice woke test for the leftists who claim there is no definition. I have no doubt that if I did this everyone would be able to answer it. Even if they only do so in their own heads. Even Michael Hardner who claims to be mystified by the concept would get 100% easily. But then that is exactly why I don't do it. It's pointless. They know. We know they know. They know they know. They know we know they know.

To a degree I think most people would say that it's like the judges answer to what is pornography, "it's hard to define but I certainly know it when I see it"  

There's a lot of left-wing or left-leaning ideas that have merit or are worth discussing. But many are taken to absurdum infinitum and are about ideology and extremeism rather than practical or sensible or even reasonable policy. And we all recognize those as being 'woke' left ideas.  Policy for the sake of ideology not to solve a problem. 

I think you're quite right. I think this absolutely childish effort on the left to claim that nobody can define what woke is simply demeans and debases the left. I think they recognize it when they see it just as well as we do.

At the end of the day I think they do it for the same reason they try and dehumanize their opponents. If you don't have to listen to someone's argument if they're a self-human, so they always try and present those who oppose them as such human. They are chuds, or Nazis, or Maga, or deplorables etc. So they don't have to address their critisizms, nobody has to answer someone who's a nazi!

SO they claim there's no such thing as woke and we don't know what we mean by woke so that they don't have to actually address the issue but rather they can just dismiss it.  "This woke ideology is causing problems!"  Oh... well.. umm... woke doesn't exist so i don't have to answer that  seeyabye! (runs away, slams door to room, puts headset on, turns up woodie guthrie as loud as it can go  ) 

Much easier than using your brain   

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Sorry but you don't get to define "woke"

Sure I do.

Woke: A condition of people who require social acceptance and approval, regardless of the position taken.

[CouchPotato]

32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

To a degree I think most people would say that it's like the judges answer to what is pornography, "it's hard to define but I certainly know it when I see it"

I feel like if I try to define it I will be leaving something out. But I think you did a very good job. 

To the leftist, I suppose, woke originally meant "aware" kinda like "hip" or "hep". Though I think it was more of a countercultural term originally than political. In the political sense though that would be less about being cool and fashionable and more like "aware" and "enlightened" about social justice issues, etc. Basically to those on the left who haven't disowned the term, it means all those wonderful things robosmith outlines in his OP.  They see themselves as the nice guys and they view their own ideas about how to deal with social issues as enlightened. Woke was coopted by conservatives as a term of derision to describe a lack of awareness and common sense by these people who see themselves and their ideas as enlightened. The woke people are not woke to how extreme their ideas are.

Edited March 21 by CouchPotato

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

quote "And the definition of woke usually boils down to being simply left-wing ideology taken to an extreme where the outcome or proposal is more focused on ideological factors rather than practical or reasonable ones."

Oh! Oh! OH! Teacher! He didn't cite the quote!!!

" usually boils down to"? Pretty INDEFINITE definition. Wanna try again?

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Oh! Oh! OH! Teacher! He didn't cite the quote!!!

" usually boils down to"? Pretty INDEFINITE definition. Wanna try again?

Oh kid.  You've lost this one so bad already. Its bad enough to crap yourself, rolling in it doesn't make it better. 

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

quote "And the definition of woke usually boils down to being simply left-wing ideology taken to an extreme where the outcome or proposal is more focused on ideological factors rather than practical or reasonable ones."

Woke: An awareness and acknowledgement that there has been, and still is, systemic discrimination against certain segments of the population, particularly minorities.

That's it. Simple enough even for you.

BUT if you won't take my word for it:

Merriam Webster: Woke is now defined in this dictionary as “aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice),”

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) defines "woke" as originally meaning "awake," but now extends to describe someone who is aware of and actively attentive to issues of social and racial injustice.

Got a wife? How would she feel if the guy in the desk next to her, doing the same job, with the same education and experience, made 20% more in salary than her?

Got a daughter? Thank God we're Canadian, but what if she moves to the US to find old white men have passed laws, not applicable to all citizens, but just young women, telling them what the can and can't do?

What if you're black and landlords won't rent to you just because you're black?

What if you're black and afraid every time your son goes out, some white cop is gonna shoot him (and more often than not, get away with it)?

Woke? What you guys are talking about are laws and policies that attempt to ameliorate these condition. You can argue about their necessity, their efficacy, or if they're taken too far, but what you guys are mostly talking about are white men's grievances, not about being woke.

 

- Franklin Leonard

“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”

 

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Woke: An awareness and acknowledgement that there has been, and still is, systemic discrimination against certain segments of the population, particularly minorities.

That's it. Simple enough even for you.

BUT if you won't take my word for it:

Merriam Webster: Woke is now defined in this dictionary as “aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice),”

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) defines "woke" as originally meaning "awake," but now extends to describe someone who is aware of and actively attentive to issues of social and racial injustice.

Got a wife? How would she feel if the guy in the desk next to her, doing the same job, with the same education and experience, made 20% more in salary than her?

Got a daughter? Thank God we're Canadian, but what if she moves to the US to find old white men have passed laws, not applicable to all citizens, but just young women, telling them what the can and can't do?

What if you're black and landlords won't rent to you just because you're black?

What if you're black and afraid every time your son goes out, some white cop is gonna shoot him (and more often than not, get away with it)?

Woke? What you guys are talking about are laws and policies that attempt to ameliorate these condition. You can argue about their necessity, their efficacy, or if they're taken too far, but what you guys are mostly talking about are white men's grievances, not about being woke.

 

- Franklin Leonard

“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”

 

Sure.  And "Gay" means "Happy and carefree". 

I'm sorry, what year did you think it was?

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sure I do.

Woke: A condition of people who require social acceptance and approval, regardless of the position taken.

Not at all. 

That is what YOU require.

Woke means you have woken up and faced injustice that you always just accepted for your whole life.

Of course you STILL accept injustice cause you're STILL SLEEPING.

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure.  And "Gay" means "Happy and carefree". 

I'm sorry, what year did you think it was?

Glad you asked for help. It's ok to ask for help. Here are some up to date definitions for you.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), "gay" as an adjective can mean "of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex". It also has other meanings, including "cheerful" or "bright".

According to Merriam-Webster, "gay" can mean "of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex" or "happily excited; merry". While the latter meaning is also valid, the former is more commonly used to describe a person who is attracted to the same sex. 

You are disappointingly dishonest. I'm choosing that explanation, 'cause I can't believe you're that stupid.

Woke, gay - need any more current definitions. (There's a thing called the internet. You can look things like definitions up there. Ask your kids.)

[robosmith]

12 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Glad you asked for help. It's ok to ask for help. Here are some up to date definitions for you.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), "gay" as an adjective can mean "of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex". It also has other meanings, including "cheerful" or "bright".

According to Merriam-Webster, "gay" can mean "of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex" or "happily excited; merry". While the latter meaning is also valid, the former is more commonly used to describe a person who is attracted to the same sex. 

You are disappointingly dishonest. I'm choosing that explanation, 'cause I can't believe you're that stupid.

Woke, gay - need any more current definitions. (There's a thing called the internet. You can look things like definitions up there. Ask your kids.)

You need to learn about CdnLIAR, he is COMPULSIVE. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Not at all. 

That is what YOU require.

Woke means you have woken up and faced injustice that you always just accepted for your whole life.

Of course you STILL accept injustice cause you're STILL SLEEPING.

Lol...you're dream is dying.

[CouchPotato]

7 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Woke: An awareness and acknowledgement that there has been, and still is, systemic discrimination against certain segments of the population, particularly minorities.

That's it. Simple enough even for you.

We all know that's what you mean by it. When you ask us to define what we mean when we say "woke" it's a sarcastic term of derision for ideology and for certain policies that go to far. You clearly understand this because you were able to explain it yourself.

I would argue, though, that something is missing from your definition, because most people are aware that discrimination has existed and still exists, but leftists would not define most people as woke, now would they? This is because we often disagree on whether or not certain things meet the definition of discrimination. So, it's not really simply an awareness, is it?. If we are really honest about it, to be "woke" requires some acceptance of leftwing ideas of what discrimination is, or else most people would be woke. So, there is ideology behind it. It seems ironic to us (and perhaps a bit conceited) that people on the left consider themselves "woke", because we think that they are often pretty whacked and that things they view as examples of discrimination are often pretty whacked. This is why we have turned the term into an insult. And now that you have admitted that you understand this, you can no longer play dumb about it.

Edited March 22 by CouchPotato

[gatomontes99]

@robosmith, you claim to be for science. What do you call someone with XX chromosomes? XY?

I'm waiting with bated breath.

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I absolutely defined woke. 

quote "And the definition of woke usually boils down to being simply left-wing ideology taken to an extreme where the outcome or proposal is more focused on ideological factors rather than practical or reasonable ones."

 

And you cut that out. 

Sigh.  If you didn't have dishonesty you'd have no honesty. 

Pretty good definition.

 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

We all know that's what you mean by it. When you ask us to define what we mean when we say "woke" it's a sarcastic term of derision for ideology and for certain policies that go to far. You clearly understand this because you were able to explain it yourself.

I would argue, though, that something is missing from your definition, because most people are aware that discrimination has existed and still exists, but leftists would not define most people as woke, now would they? This is because we often disagree on whether or not certain things meet the definition of discrimination. So, it's not really simply an awareness, is it?. If we are really honest about it, to be "woke" requires some acceptance of leftwing ideas of what discrimination is, or else most people would be woke. So, there is ideology behind it. It seems ironic to us (and perhaps a bit conceited) that people on the left consider themselves "woke", because we think that they are often pretty whacked and that things they view as examples of discrimination are often pretty whacked. This is why we have turned the term into an insult. And now that you have admitted that you understand this, you can no longer play dumb about it.

You guys have purposely distorted the meaning to turn it into an insult, because its real meaning is an INSULT TO YOU.

You accept injustice and that damns you.

Sorry right wingers don't get to redefine what a term that did NOT originate with your group just to INSULT people.

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Pretty good definition.

But like all bastardized definitions from the right invented to INSULT, it is an INACCURATE DISTORTION from what it ORIGINALLY MEANS.

[CouchPotato]

21 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Sorry right wingers don't get to redefine what a term that did NOT originate with your group just to INSULT people.

Sure we can redefine it, and we did. You don't own the word. The word "woke" was originally the past tense of "wake". And long before the political definition of "woke" found a place in Merriam Webster, it was basically a counterculture slang term. People invented this definition and tacked it on. If you can add your own meaning for the word "woke" so can we. Leftists redefine words all the time. But really we don't need to redefine it at all in order to use it as an insult. We just point to the people who fancy themselves woke and by that association alone it becomes an insult.

Edited March 22 by CouchPotato

[User]

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

But like all bastardized definitions from the right invented to INSULT, it is an INACCURATE DISTORTION from what it ORIGINALLY MEANS.

Says the guy who can't define what a woman is in any meaningful way... 

[CouchPotato]

38 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You accept injustice and that damns you.

No. I just don't agree with all the things leftists consider injustice, and they damn me for that. But I couldn't really care less.

Edited March 22 by CouchPotato

[robosmith]

12 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

No. I just don't agree with all the things leftists consider injustice, and they damn me for that. But I couldn't really care less.

Yes you could care less instead of enough to post about it HERE.

Thanks for admitting you don't believe racism and LTGBQ discrimination is injustice, since that is the vast majority of injustice to which "woke" refers.

Edited March 22 by robosmith

[robosmith]

41 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Sure we can redefine it, and we did. You don't own the word. The word "woke" was originally the past tense of "wake". And long before the political definition of "woke" found a place in Merriam Webster, it was basically a counterculture slang term. People invented this definition and tacked it on. If you can add your own meaning for the word "woke" so can we. Leftists redefine words all the time. But really we don't need to redefine it at all in order to use it as an insult. We just point to the people who fancy themselves woke and by that association alone it becomes an insult.

The left OWNS THE WORD when used to refer to the LEFT. Duh

Your bastardized ownership is an INSULT of the LEFT nothing more.

[CouchPotato]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Thanks for admitting you don't believe racism and LTGBQ discrimination is injustice, since that is the vast majority of injustice to which "woke" refers.

Once again, I just don't agree with every nonsensical thing people on the left consider to be racist or discrimination.

Quote

The left OWNS THE WORD when used to refer to the LEFT. Duh

Your bastardized ownership is an INSULT of the LEFT nothing more.

Awwww. There there, now.

Edited March 22 by CouchPotato

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Once again, I just don't agree with every nonsensical thing people on the left consider to be racist or discrimination.

No one says you have to agree with everything. But when you use woke as an INSULT, you are agreeing that you don't recognize racism and discrimination as injustice since that is real meaning of the word.