West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hodad said: That's a complete non sequitur (nothing whatsoever to do with executive actions and injunctions) and there was never FISA warrant for Trump. Splitting hairs. I imagine you'd suggest differently if the Trump admin used questionable methods to get a secret warrant on their political adversaries. Edited March 21 by West 2 Quote
Hodad Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 7 hours ago, West said: Splitting hairs. I imagine you'd suggest differently if the Trump admin used questionable methods to get a secret warrant on their political adversaries. Anybody--anybody--who is back channeling with Russian intelligence isn't a "political adversary" but rather a security risk. The paperwork should have been done better, but the pretense that it was politically motivated is nonsense. And, again, it is entirely irrelevant to executive action and injunction. You took a left turn into a corn field. Quote
West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hodad said: Anybody--anybody--who is back channeling with Russian intelligence isn't a "political adversary" but rather a security risk. The paperwork should have been done better, but the pretense that it was politically motivated is nonsense. And, again, it is entirely irrelevant to executive action and injunction. You took a left turn into a corn field. That's entirely a false narrative. And its not entirely irrelevant. Biden appointed hundreds of activist judges on his way out the door to harass an incoming Administration and his supporters, subverting the will of the voters and ultimately serving the same function as tying Trump up with the collusion delusion the first go around. It's a pattern of behavior Edited March 21 by West 1 Quote
Hodad Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, West said: That's entirely a false narrative. And its not entirely irrelevant. Biden appointed hundreds of activist judges on his way out the door to harass an incoming Administration and his supporters, subverting the will of the voters and ultimately serving the same function as tying Trump up with the collusion delusion the first go around. It's a pattern of behavior Bullshit. That is a completely true narrative. The Trump campaign was, beyond any question or dispute, in frequent contact with Russian intelligence. Our intelligence services, naturally and responsibly, were justified to keep tabs on it. And you are lying in obvious and stupid ways: 1. Biden appointed 235 judges in total. Not "hundreds on the way out the door." Trump appointed 234, in term 1, btw. 2. Biden hit 200 appointees by May of 2024-- and only a small handful after he lost the election. 3. "Activist judges" is an absurdly broad brush to paint with for a fool who knows nothing about even a single one of those judges. -- And they're not Aileen Cannon, FFS. 4. How many of these injunctions are from Biden appointees, let alone post-election appointments? I'm going to answer that myself in two parts A. You have no earthly idea. 5. There's no relationship or "pattern of behavior" between injunctions filed in response to Trump's demo job and the investigation of (now proven factual) dealings with foreign intelligence. Apples and watermelons. Edited March 21 by Hodad Quote
gatomontes99 Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 4 minutes ago, Hodad said: Bullshit. That is a completely true narrative. The Trump campaign was, beyond any question or dispute, in frequent contact with Russian intelligence. Our intelligence services, naturally and responsibly, were justified to keep tabs on it. You are seriously delusional if you believe that. 2 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said: You are seriously delusional if you believe that. I agree. It's beyond absurd to keep believing the collusion lie at this point. Gone are the days where you debate about policy and legislate by consensus. The new brand of politics is stacking the deck with a radical judiciary who doesn't give a shit about the laws of the land and just makes decisions based on political ideology. 1 Quote
Hodad Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 22 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: You are seriously delusional if you believe that. I'm sure you think that. Probably hard to read the senate report with your head up your ass. No doubt you've missed many things over the years. I hope someone comes up with a cure for your condition. Edited March 21 by Hodad Quote
West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Hodad said: I'm sure you think that. Probably hard to read the senate report with your head up your ass. No doubt you've missed many things over the years. I hope someone comes up with a cure for your condition. They were only trying to cover their own asses from their vile attempt to overthrow a sitting president. That's another pattern of behavior. Quote
West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 When you cross over from normal political discourse and debate to attempted sabotage and destruction of the oppositions family members, businesses, or personal property (i.e. decades long lawsuits which ultimately end in vindication but financial ruin or lengthy prison sentences by whacked out judges) you no longer live in a normal democracy but rather totalitarian state. At this point the US and Canada look more like China than they do a beacon of freedom Quote
Deluge Posted March 21 Author Report Posted March 21 (edited) 18 hours ago, Hodad said: 1. Josh Hawley is a ball-licking crap sack with no spine or conscience whatsoever. 2. But setting that aside, just do the math. No president has EVER attempted faster or more widespread legally questionable (when not outright illegal) actions. What is happening now is wildly unprecedented. Of course those things are going to result in an equally large spike in injunctions. Action and reaction scale together. It's not a sudden outbreak of judges gone wild. It's just courts doing business as usual, dealing with a massive uptick in cases commensurate with Trump's actions. 1. Leave it to a brainwashed pronoun cuck like whoredad to trash his superiors. 2. President Trump is cleaning house, or we lose this country. It's that simple. Now get over it, or get the f*ck out of the country. Edited March 21 by Deluge 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 8 hours ago, Hodad said: Anybody--anybody--who is back channeling with Russian intelligence isn't a "political adversary" but rather a security risk. The paperwork should have been done better, but the pretense that it was politically motivated is nonsense. And, again, it is entirely irrelevant to executive action and injunction. You took a left turn into a corn field. The paperwork was done poorly because it was a political motivated event There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the pursuit of trump as a Russian agent has been politically motivated. If it turned out to be true that would be blind luck. Read the story about the boy who cried trump Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Hodad Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, West said: They were only trying to cover their own asses from their vile attempt to overthrow a sitting president. That's another pattern of behavior. No, the REPUBLICAN-led Senate Intelligence report was not trying to "cover" anything. The Republicans voted not to hold Trump accountable for his abuses of power. They had nothing political to gain from acknowledging that the Trump campaign was working with Russian intelligence while Russian intelligence attempted to influence the election. The report is damning, but if anything, they soft-sold it. The history books will not say this was a "witch hunt." The history books will record: Manafort campaign strategy-->Kilimnik--> Soviet intelligence. Edited March 21 by Hodad Quote
West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Hodad said: No, the REPUBLICAN-led Senate Intelligence report was not trying to "cover" anything. The Republicans voted not to hold Trump accountable for his abuses of power. They had nothing political to gain from acknowledging that the Trump campaign was working with Russian intelligence while Russian intelligence attempted to influence the election. The report is damning, but if anything, they soft-sold it. The history books will not say this was a "witch hunt." The history books will record: Manafort campaign strategy-->Kilimnik--> Soviet intelligence. The Bush Republicans were the initial people who funded the oppo research from Christopher Steele which was the basis for the FISA warrant. They had every reason to sew suspicion because they were just as dirty as Obama. Clinton ended up having to pay a fine because they misrepresented (likely intentionally) to cover up from the fact they in part funded it.. Really the whole thing was pretty dumb. At that time, the US was trying to normalize relations with Russia. Hence that bizzare photo opp with the Obama administration and the "reset" button. Clinton as SOS was meddling in the affairs of Eastern Europe. Any "interference" was more than likely payback for America's meddling in Eastern Europe and had very little to do with Trump. Clinton and the Bush Republicans in the senate used it as a mechanism to sew discord and confusion leading up to the 2018 midterms. The goal? To keep the large scale grift going funding wars that Trump was trying to end. Hence the attacks on Musk and Doge Edited March 21 by West Quote
User Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 48 minutes ago, Hodad said: No, the REPUBLICAN-led Senate Intelligence report was not trying to "cover" anything. The Republicans voted not to hold Trump accountable for his abuses of power. They had nothing political to gain from acknowledging that the Trump campaign was working with Russian intelligence while Russian intelligence attempted to influence the election. The report is damning, but if anything, they soft-sold it. The history books will not say this was a "witch hunt." The history books will record: Manafort campaign strategy-->Kilimnik--> Soviet intelligence. Holy crap, you are still pushing these lies. The "Trump campaign" did not work with Russian intelligence nor was there any collusion with the Russians in influencing the election. 2 Quote
Hodad Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, West said: The Bush Republicans were the initial people who funded the oppo research from Christopher Steele which was the basis for the FISA warrant. They had every reason to sew suspicion because they were just as dirty as Obama. Clinton ended up having to pay a fine because they misrepresented (likely intentionally) to cover up from the fact they in part funded it.. Really the whole thing was pretty dumb. At that time, the US was trying to normalize relations with Russia. Hence that bizzare photo opp with the Obama administration and the "reset" button. Clinton as SOS was meddling in the affairs of Eastern Europe. Any "interference" was more than likely payback for America's meddling in Eastern Europe and had very little to do with Trump. Clinton and the Bush Republicans in the senate used it as a mechanism to sew discord and confusion leading up to the 2018 midterms. The goal? To keep the large scale grift going funding wars that Trump was trying to end. Hence the attacks on Musk and Doge This is mostly bizarre speculation and innuendo that makes no sense. It's alarming that you think this word-salad opinion is more believable that our US intelligence services and senate reports. Like you'll do anything to keep deluding yourself. What's your theory for why Manafort was holding secret meeting (like literally sneaking in and out), foldering emails and using encrypted/burner communications and deletion routines to share intelligence with a known Russian intelligence officer? Is that how you have a casual chat with a pal? 🤪 Jeebus. Manafort literally admitted to sharing the information (because he was caught doing it) but he claimed to not know what everyone else knew about his "buddy." And, of course, Gates was like "Oh, yeah, we all knew." At any rate, whether or not you can manufacture the enormous suspension of disbelief to swallow Manafort's attempt to play this off as casual or accidental contact, it's a documented fact that he WAS doing these things. That's not even a question. And given that he was doing these things, it's not just reasonable for the FBI to investigate, it would be treasonous negligence to NOT investigate. That's not political. It's a matter of national security. But hey, Putin got his puppet in office and that's paying great dividends, so you folks are all happy. Edited March 21 by Hodad Quote
CdnFox Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 1 hour ago, User said: Holy crap, you are still pushing these lies. The "Trump campaign" did not work with Russian intelligence nor was there any collusion with the Russians in influencing the election. Not True!!!! At one point at least they DID in fact share polling numbers! With a guy! Admittedly that guy wasn't russian intelligence but he KNEW some!! And think about it, if the russians had access to polling numbers they could.... er... they could.. have... TAKEN OVER POLAND!!! YEAH! that's likely what that means! So it was super important critical dangerous information that was sort of almost shared! -the left, probably. 2 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Hodad said: This is mostly bizarre speculation and innuendo that makes no sense. It's alarming that you think this word-salad opinion is more believable that our US intelligence services and senate reports. Like you'll do anything to keep deluding yourself. What's your theory for why Manafort was holding secret meeting (like literally sneaking in and out), foldering emails and using encrypted/burner communications and deletion routines to share intelligence with a known Russian intelligence officer? Is that how you have a casual chat with a pal? 🤪 Jeebus. Manafort literally admitted to sharing the information (because he was caught doing it) but he claimed to not know what everyone else knew about his "buddy." And, of course, Gates was like "Oh, yeah, we all knew." At any rate, whether or not you can manufacture the enormous suspension of disbelief to swallow Manafort's attempt to play this off as casual or accidental contact, it's a documented fact that he WAS doing these things. That's not even a question. And given that he was doing these things, it's not just reasonable for the FBI to investigate, it would be treasonous negligence to NOT investigate. That's not political. It's a matter of national security. But hey, Putin got his puppet in office and that's paying great dividends, so you folks are all happy. Manafort shared readily available polling data with a person he knew from the business world. Not Russian intelligence. There's no evidence he knew the guy was Russian intelligence and was put up on paper work related charges not related to "collusion" so that Hillary Clinton could save face. The Democrats destroyed the reputation of Jeff Sessions for simply taking a meeting with the Russian ambassador to the United States in his role as us senator. Pretty vile Ironically Hillary Clinton's campaign finance manager's brother was also in business with Manafort and no doubt had the same business connections. Nice try Edited March 21 by West Quote
West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 26 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Not True!!!! At one point at least they DID in fact share polling numbers! With a guy! Admittedly that guy wasn't russian intelligence but he KNEW some!! And think about it, if the russians had access to polling numbers they could.... er... they could.. have... TAKEN OVER POLAND!!! YEAH! that's likely what that means! So it was super important critical dangerous information that was sort of almost shared! -the left, probably. Exactly. Manafort knew a guy who knew a Russian therefore "collusion". Quote
robosmith Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 23 hours ago, West said: Lol.. considering the Obama administration took questionable FISA warrants out on Trump I would say you are stretching Your don't know what you're talking about, AGAIN. The FBI is NOT "the Obama administration" and ALL you know about it, is the "questionable" (AKA FALSE) reporting of FOS LIES. Quote
West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 Just now, robosmith said: Your don't know what you're talking about, AGAIN. The FBI is NOT "the Obama administration" and ALL you know about it, is the "questionable" (AKA FALSE) reporting of FOS LIES. The FBI falls ultimately under the leadership of the President. You are A FOOL if you do not believe high ranking politicians ie THE PRESIDENT were not fully aware of a political campaign being monitored by their agencies. Quote
robosmith Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 48 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Not True!!!! At one point at least they DID in fact share polling numbers! With a guy! Admittedly that guy wasn't russian intelligence but he KNEW some!! And think about it, if the russians had access to polling numbers they could.... er... they could.. have... TAKEN OVER POLAND!!! YEAH! that's likely what that means! So it was super important critical dangerous information that was sort of almost shared! -the left, probably. Kilimnik turned everything he got from Manafort over to Russian intellegence. KONSTANTIN VIKTOROVICH KILIMNIK FBI.gov https://www.fbi.gov › wanted › counterintelligence › k... Kilimnik, who is assessed by the FBI to have ties to Russian Intelligence, allegedly assisted with a multi-million dollar lobbying campaign in the United States ... 1 Quote
robosmith Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, West said: The FBI falls ultimately under the leadership of the President. You are A FOOL if you do not believe high ranking politicians ie THE PRESIDENT were not fully aware of a political campaign being monitored by their agencies. Thanks for demonstrating that YOU'RE THE FOOL who believes a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. Unlike Trump, Democrats treat the DoJ as INDEPENDENT because JUSTICE demands that. That's why you NEVER hear a Democratic POTUS talking about HIS DOJ, like Trump does ROUTINELY. 1 Quote
User Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: Thanks for demonstrating that YOU'RE THE FOOL who believes a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. Unlike Trump, Democrats treat the DoJ as INDEPENDENT because JUSTICE demands that. That's why you NEVER hear a Democratic POTUS talking about HIS DOJ, like Trump does ROUTINELY. Biden routinely issued directives to his DOJ on what to do, what to focus on, and his press secretary threatened Republicans with the DOJ if they dared to stop their transing the kids madness. Quote
West Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 3 minutes ago, User said: Biden routinely issued directives to his DOJ on what to do, what to focus on, and his press secretary threatened Republicans with the DOJ if they dared to stop their transing the kids madness. He clearly doesn't understand how government works. 1 Quote
User Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 6 minutes ago, West said: He clearly doesn't understand how government works. He ususally doesn't understand many things and outright lies or posts ignorant garbage... then he runs away. Quote
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