Proof Mark Carney will fail as a politician

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Has there ever been a Canadian government in which your wealth has shrunk.

Depending on what you mean by wealth precisely or more accurately how you're measuring it the very first time in history where we've had a Canadian government where our wealth has substantially shrunk over an extended time is right now.

Prior to that our GDP per capita always raised except for short periods of severe financial instability such as the great depression or the great recession, but even then it was usually very short-lived and began to grow again immediately.

This is the first time in our history where GDP per capita has substantially shrunk over a matter of years without a financial crisis to explain it. And never as it ever fallen so many months consecutively on average over a Length of time.

Canadians are actually less wealthy right now than they have been buying a substantial amount and the loss is sustained without a financial crisis to explain it and that trend appears to be accelerating.

So yes it absolutely is a thing right now, but that is the very first time in our history that I'm aware of

[WestCanMan]

Every day it's something new with that guy. 

He puts out a terrible ad, he gets skewered by Poilievre and looks like a deer in the headlights, he gets caught moving jobs to within a few blocks of Trump Tower, lies about moving jobs to NYC, calls himself a European, etc.

If Poilievre did all that over the span of 3 years he'd be done like dinner, CBC would be posting memes of PP with a joker hat on, but they just blow right by all his nonsense and lies to keep blowing sunshine up his ass.

If you Google "CBC Mark Carney" you get this:

"He dominated", "America is not Canada" 🤔, "solemn duty", "scraps the carbon tax"...

Let's be honest, Carney's own FB page would look almost identical to what CBC writes about him...

Carney could literally have an AI bot copy and paste everything from the CBC website that has his name on it to his FB page, and he wouldn't have to review it, because we all know that everything's going to have the most positive spin possible. 

[impartialobserver]

Been reading the posts here. Probably not the most impartial source of info but oh well. The guy, Carney, seems to be a bit of a mess. Does not seem to be able to stick to one idea, platform, story. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 3/15/2025 at 5:40 PM, CdnFox said:

Polls indicate that it's a lot deeper than that. Trump didn't magically change the fact that people can't really afford housing. Trump didn't change the prices of the grocery stores. And those still are issues that are front and center and even more important than trump when they poll people.

In short, it's the economy stupid. And the problem for Kearney is that he just announced a cabinet that is 84% filled with the exact same people who were there in the previous cabinet under Trudeau. He has basically signaled nothing has changed. He himself was an advisor for 4 years

So you can still go after the liberal track record and the Trudeau track record successfully against Carney. and the fact people can't live or eat is still going to be front and center in their minds.

Obviously you still have to paint a picture and tell a story that people can believe it if you're going to get them to switch but I think carney is still going to have to run on the liberal track record and that's going to be negative

PP is hemorrhaging support at the moment. This should have been a landslide victory for him. One fundamental thing has changed and that is Trump. 

[ExFlyer]

16 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

PP is hemorrhaging support at the moment. This should have been a landslide victory for him. One fundamental thing has changed and that is Trump. 

And PP's love for Trump and the republicans.

IMO We are quickly becoming same as democrat vs republican with this rhetoric.

Edited March 17 by ExFlyer

[SpankyMcFarland]

On the non-Trump issues the Tories do have a strong hand and Poilievre is a capable spokesperson. It’s also likely Carney will have some major flubs, especially en français. 

[WestCanMan]

IMO Carney = Kamala.

He's a late pre-election addition to the ticket, enjoyed a "not the hated incumbent" bump in the polls, hopelessly entangled with the abject failures and lies of the outgoing boob, enough media fanfare and cover-ups to make Goebbels feel inadequate, a bit of fake polling data, and then a resounding election day flop. 

It's like they drew these things up on the board.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

PP is hemorrhaging support at the moment. This should have been a landslide victory for him. One fundamental thing has changed and that is Trump. 

I don't know how much he's actually Hemorrhaging support. If I had to take an honest guess right now it seems like he's more about 42% of the vote to about 28 for the liberals and the rest is either false reporting which I can certainly say is happening to a degree with some holsters or shine in the moment that just isn't going to stand up to scrutiny.

Again I point to Kamala Harris but we also saw this with John Turner, kim Campbell, etc etc you get a new leader you get massive hype but it just doesn't Have any staying power in it Fizzles as fast as it starts when they start taking a hard look.

Trump definitely throws a wrench into the mix and I think without that we would definitely be looking at a cakewalk but the moment people begin to lose any faith at all in Carney his support will collapse like a house of cards. 

Which is why campaigns matter. If you can run a campaign that keeps people excited about him and he made you very well, and if you can't or if Poilievre runs a better campaign Thenhe may very well collapse like a house of cards

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 3/18/2025 at 12:33 AM, CdnFox said:

I don't know how much he's actually Hemorrhaging support. If I had to take an honest guess right now it seems like he's more about 42% of the vote to about 28 for the liberals and the rest is either false reporting which I can certainly say is happening to a degree with some holsters or shine in the moment that just isn't going to stand up to scrutiny.

Again I point to Kamala Harris but we also saw this with John Turner, kim Campbell, etc etc you get a new leader you get massive hype but it just doesn't Have any staying power in it Fizzles as fast as it starts when they start taking a hard look.

Trump definitely throws a wrench into the mix and I think without that we would definitely be looking at a cakewalk but the moment people begin to lose any faith at all in Carney his support will collapse like a house of cards. 

Which is why campaigns matter. If you can run a campaign that keeps people excited about him and he made you very well, and if you can't or if Poilievre runs a better campaign Thenhe may very well collapse like a house of cards

Harris, Turner and Campbell didn’t have a foreign enemy threatening to take over our country. Carney also benefits from the peculiar narrative of ‘not being a politician’ which has become rooted in North American culture. A problem with Poilievre - even now he hasn’t properly pivoted to a fully pro-Canada, anti-Trump campaign. Competing more subtly with the Liberals as the better alternative to fight Trump seems to be very hard for him. He’s still obsessed with Trudeau, Carney and Liberals as the main problem for our country which is not how most people see it any more. 

Yes, Carney will see some big fluctuations. Not being a politician has a big downside in a campaign where everything said and unsaid, every gesture is remorselessly examined. He needs to be less snarky about his blind trust (although I have to laugh at some MAGA fans suddenly being concerned by such relatively minor matters compared to their hero’s ongoing mega-larceny) and Lord knows what he’ll say in French in the coming months. One thing I think can say. Trudeau’s departure and Trump’s arrival have ensured the Liberals will not be wiped out in this election. Every Liberal MP must have an energy boost thinking of that. 
 

 

 

Edited March 19 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Harris, Turner and Campbell didn’t have a foreign enemy threatening to take over our country

Well according to Harris's supporters she did. And I have to say it this moment there's a little evidence that she had at least a tiny bit of truth behind her  

And that situation flips to the conservatives favor the moment that people start to lose faith in Carney

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. Carney also benefits from the peculiar narrative of ‘not being a politician’ which has become rooted in North American culture. A problem with Poilievre - even now he hasn’t properly pivoted to a fully pro-Canada, anti-Trump campaign.

He is absolutely pivoted. For weeks now Canada first is what's on his little Podium thing and he has been clear.

And as people pay attention during the election campaign that will become more and more obvious

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Competing more subtly with the Liberals as the better alternative to fight Trump seems to be very hard for him. He’s still obsessed with Trudeau, Carney and Liberals as the main problem for our country which is not how most people see it any more. 

There's a lot of indications that that's not quite true. Nothing has changed in that respect, people are still having a tough time avoiding groceries, people are still afraid they'll never be able to afford a home. Inflation is up again last month, I will become a major problem if there's tariffs.

And the moment that people lose faith in Kearney then Poilievre becomes the obvious choice to fight trump so that support can flip on a dime

Competing more subtly with the Liberals as the better alternative to fight Trump seems to be very hard for him. He’s still obsessed with Trudeau, Carney and Liberals as the main problem for our country which is not how most people see it any more. 

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Yes, Carney will see some big fluctuations. Not being a politician has a big downside in a campaign where everything said and unsaid, every gesture is remorselessly examined. He needs to be less snarky about his blind trust (although I have to laugh at some MAGA fans suddenly being concerned by such relatively minor matters compared to their hero’s ongoing mega-larceny) and Lord knows what he’ll say in French in the coming months. One thing I think can say. Trudeau’s departure and Trump’s arrival have ensured the Liberals will not be wiped out in this election. Every Liberal MP must have an energy boost thinking of that. 

If he fluctuates he's dead. Assuming the election is called next week as most people suggest if he starts to dip he's going to crash and crash hard. He hasn't got time for fluctuations.

I think what will happen is he'll either be able to carry this momentum and hype through an election and win and he would win at least a minority probably a majority, or it will go the other way and he will lose very hard. Trump's arrival has definitely given the liberals at least a chance but I think it's going to be boom or bust. 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Here’s a Globe piece making the same obvious point:

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Mr. Poilievre is fundamentally misreading the climate in Canada. Despite his efforts, Canadians don’t see Mr. Carney as the enemy; that’s how they view Mr. Trump. And while Mr. Carney is travelling abroad, trying to strengthen our relationships with foreign allies and fortify our response to U.S. tariffs, Mr. Poilievre is at home complaining about “Carbon Tax Carney” and his supposed plan to continue Mr. Trudeau’s policy agenda. It makes the Conservative Leader look sophomoric and out-of-touch, while Mr. Carney comes off as above-the-fray – a real leader.
 

 

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Mr. Poilievre could shift his tone to start acting more “prime ministerial,” which would mean talking more policy than smack, and also dropping the tired, 2024-era slogans. That might help to regain him some momentum. But the reality is that Mr. Poilievre isn’t “prime ministerial” by nature. His strength is as an attack dog: someone who will go for the jugular and not back down, often channeling the angst and frustrations of the electorate. That’s what defined him as a cabinet member in Stephen Harper’s government, and what fuelled his popularity as Opposition Leader. Canadians were angry about tone-deaf Liberal moralizing at a time when many were struggling to afford groceries, and Mr. Poilievre expertly echoed that. Now they’re angry about Mr. Trump levying punishing tariffs and threatening to make Canada the 51st state – but Mr. Poilievre, noticeably, is not echoing that. He’s directing almost all of his ire at Mr. Carney.
 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-pierre-poilievres-strength-is-as-an-attack-dog-but-hes-growling/

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I think what will happen is he'll either be able to carry this momentum and hype through an election and win and he would win at least a minority probably a majority, or it will go the other way and he will lose very hard. Trump's arrival has definitely given the liberals at least a chance but I think it's going to be boom or bust. 

That prediction covers most possible outcomes other than a small loss for Carney. FPTP greatly exacerbates small swings in the popular vote anyway. 

Again Poilievre is not fully committing to an attack on Trump. He’s not a newbie. We know the level of snark he is capable of. 
 

 

Edited March 19 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

That prediction covers most possible outcomes other than a small loss for Carney. FPTP greatly exacerbates small swings in the popular vote anyway. 

No, there's a pretty huge gap there. Either a win for him, or a major massive loss.  There's a lot of daylight between those options. 

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Again Poilievre is not fully committing to an attack on Trump. He’s not a newbie. We know the level of snark he is capable of. 

Oh wait....  are you saying he should be calling trump personal names or something? 

Exactly how stupid are you? NOBODY'S doing that, not even ford, and that's becasue that would be the stupidest thing you could do. 

Other than that his position is the same as carney's and everyone else's ,  canada first, canada soverign, reciprocal tarrifs. 

Yeash. 

[taxme]

On 3/14/2025 at 2:43 PM, ExFlyer said:

Nope, I owe you no answers. LOL

This thread is about Carney, not you LOL

Poor Baby... your shitty diapers startin to smell or they been smellin for a long time LOL

By the way...Carny just cancelled the Carbon Tax.

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2025/03/14/prime-minister-mark-carneys-cabinet-terminates-consumer-carbon-price/?

Oh, yes you do. I am still waiting, stink bug. 

I don't give a shit what this thread is all about, stink bug. 

Not funny, stink bug. Are you trying to appear to be some kind of a funny comedian here, stink bug? Not working. 🤡

It was PP that has mentioned it many times for months now long before your WEF globalist ass kisser decided to use it also. Typical lying liberal, just like you stink bug, that has to try and steal other peoples platforms. Phkn losers.