The Ukraine Was Started Under Biden, 100%. He Never Even Tried To End It. Stop Blaming Trump for Ukraine's Losses.

[Hodad]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's just hilarious to see you squirm like that.

1. Either you're right, and Putin only attacked Ukraine because he's a bully and he knew that Biden was so weak that he would be able to gain territory
2. Or you're wrong, and Putin attacked to keep NATO out of Ukraine, and Biden was too dumb to negotiate peace. 

In either scenario, Biden in the WH caused that war.

That would require Trump winning the 2020 election.

Stop crying about everything. 

America wanted out of that war, and Trump's not like Biden, so he ended that war.

The country didn't fall apart until weak-ass Biden got into the WH. The Taliban were scared shitless of Trump.

Watching you struggle to find things to complain about is sickening. Even peace is bad if it's because of Trump 🤣

Obama's weakness and stupidity caused war. Trump brought peace.

Biden's weakness and stupidity caused 2 wars. Trump brought peace to one, and got the hostages back from the other.

Squirm away, Hodad. You're just dragging on a topic that's not good for your worthless, stupid, feckless "heroes". 

Squirm? You're a certified dolt. 

No, Joe Biden is not responsible for Putin's aggression. And he was a staunch ally of the democratic underdogs in this fight. 

The super sub narrative that Putin was "forced" to invade a sovereign neighbor because that neighbor was taking steps to avoid being invaded is just asinine. 

I'm the product of a country whose entire identity is (or was) based on the virtue of self determination by a free people--freedom hard won in fire and blood to throw off an oppressor. Of course we understand why Ukraine was fighting. 

The fact that the struggle to be free is beyond your comprehension is honestly just sad. You fundamentally can't understand someone like Patrick Henry. 

You must be a hoot on movie night. "I don't understand why Andy fought the Sisters. He should have saved himself the trouble and taken it--or maybe negotiated for just the tip!"

"Remember in Braveheart how the villain Wallace forced poor King Edward to attack? Why are they even fighting."

The people of Ukraine know what it is to live without freedom, and now that they have it, they aren't going back without a flight. 

You may be a sniveling farking worm, but the world will make more sense if you accept that other people have values so dearly held that they will fight to preserve them.

 

[ExFlyer]

14 hours ago, Matthew said:

Lol what?

Name a recent "war"

14 hours ago, User said:

Do you just make stuff up and not care if it is true or not?

A nation doesn't have to be a member of NATO or the European Union to get support or intervention. 

 

In context, there was no requirement to support or intervene in a conflict with a non member nation.

Edited February 21 by ExFlyer

[User]

15 hours ago, I am Groot said:

We did. That was why when the Russians invaded, expecting a cakewalk, they got their asses kicked and forced back to the east and north.

No, we did not. If we did, then we would not have had to spend the next several years slowly deciding to release more and more weapons systems to Ukraine. 

The argument is not that we gave zero aid before, but that we did not give them anything significant enough before. We could obviously have done much much more. 

Russia did not get their asses kicked either. They overextended thinking they could overwhelm and take Kursk at the outset of the war, they came pretty close to doing so, but took too long, exposed their flanks, and had to pull back and they have been slowly grinding down Ukraine ever since. 

At the time, the NATO nations were all assessing that Ukraine would get taken on the initial invasion, so much so, we were offering to evacuate Zelensky. 

 

[User]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

No, Joe Biden is not responsible for Putin's aggression. And he was a staunch ally of the democratic underdogs in this fight. 

100% Biden was President when Putin invaded. 100% Biden watched for months as Russia built up an invasion. 100% Biden could have and should have done more BEFORE the invasion to prevent, discourage, and thwart it. 

Putin certainly did not invade on Trumps watch. 

[User]

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

And yes, Trump is trying to "end" the war in Ukraine exactly how he ended the war in Afghanistan: by simply abandoning the Democratic governments to be devoured by oppressive authoritarian regimes. 

You live in some perverse alternate reality with no care for facts at all. 

Trump did not end the war in Afghanistan, Biden did. Trump did not abandon the government of Afghanistan to be devoured... Biden did. 

Biden was told and knew that the Taliban had reneged on the peace deal, Biden knew if he pulled out like he did the Taliban would almost certainly regain control, Biden knew he was leaving Americans and Allies behind. Biden stood by and watched the failure of the withdrawal happening. Biden watched as we left behind all our military equipment to be taken by the Taliban. 

Biden did not care. He just wanted out. Period. 

 

[User]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

In context, there was no requirement to support or intervene in a conflict with a non member nation.

This is not context, you outright made a false statement. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Squirm? You're a certified dolt. 

No, Joe Biden is not responsible for Putin's aggression. And he was a staunch ally of the democratic underdogs in this fight. 

The super sub narrative that Putin was "forced" to invade a sovereign neighbor because that neighbor was taking steps to avoid being invaded is just asinine. 

I'm the product of a country whose entire identity is (or was) based on the virtue of self determination by a free people--freedom hard won in fire and blood to throw off an oppressor. Of course we understand why Ukraine was fighting. 

The fact that the struggle to be free is beyond your comprehension is honestly just sad. You fundamentally can't understand someone like Patrick Henry. 

You must be a hoot on movie night. "I don't understand why Andy fought the Sisters. He should have saved himself the trouble and taken it--or maybe negotiated for just the tip!"

"Remember in Braveheart how the villain Wallace forced poor King Edward to attack? Why are they even fighting."

The people of Ukraine know what it is to live without freedom, and now that they have it, they aren't going back without a flight. 

You may be a sniveling farking worm, but the world will make more sense if you accept that other people have values so dearly held that they will fight to preserve them.

 

@WestCanMan see how upset they get when someone threatens to take their toys away?

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Scott75 said:

As I think we can agree, this war was an absolute tragedy for everyone doing the actual fighting from start to finish. As to the powers behind those fighting the war, I think an agreement may finally be in reach soon. Unlike Biden et al, who were deeply entrenched in the Ukraine war gravy train, Trump has no such ties, as far as I know. As an indication of this, I just read that as soon as Trump came into office, he stopped the United States' support of bombing Russia:

**

since January 20, the new president’s inauguration, there have been no attacks on Russia with American HIMARS and ATACMS missiles. The assumption is that Kiev received such an order from Trump, who replaced and fired people who dealt with Ukrainian issues in the State Department and the Pentagon.

**

Source:

Even with Western aid drying up, corruption continues to flourish in Ukraine | infobrics.org

As a result of Trump's lack of ties to Ukraine's gravy train, he has no reason to continue funding it. Combined with the fact that Ukraine's soldier count is severely depleted, I think any reasonble person must conclude that this war can't last much longer.

infobrics,  you must be joking. Obviously dominated by dictators with money. LMAO

Find a CREDIBLE source and then we'll talk

 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Scott75 said:

In Kiev, the main culprit behind these corruption schemes is Zelensky, who officially has a monthly salary of 28,000 hryvnias, about $664. Undoubtedly, he has other income because he bought a house for his parents and in-laws, a yacht, and more.  According to media reports, Zelensky purchased a villa in Italy and acquired an estate in Britain—the former residence of King Charles and Princess Diana—while Zelensky’s wife has an apartment in London. In addition, the couple owns real estate in Cyprus and Miami. This, according to some sources, is not a complete list.

An Egyptian journalist who wrote about the purchase of the Italian villa in the name of Zelensky’s mother-in-law, worth almost $5 million, was found dead under unclear circumstances. As for the castle in the UK, these allegations are made by Ukrainian sources and still need to be verified. However, there is nothing secret that does not become public, and the Trump administration is certainly monitoring the movement of money.

I'm not saying this stuff is certain to be false, but there were FB posts before about Zelensky's newfound wealth which were allegedly false. 

Nothing would surprise me less than if Zelensky actually did get rich from all this, but if he's sloppy enough to let people know I imagine it will cost him his life, because a lot of people lost a lot of family members in that war. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

@WestCanMan see how upset they get when someone threatens to take their toys away?

@Hodad see how they post blubbering lDIOCY when they can't refute your points?

As if being upset about LIES TOLD is a pejorative. Pathological LIARS are never upset about being told LIES. 🤮

IN FACT they are here posting and defending LIES.

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So you think Trump should have just sent another $60B in weapons then.

Is that it? 

Would another $60B do the trick? Just regain all that lost territory? 

If that's what you think he shoulda done, just say it. 

Say: "Trump was wrong to demand peace, he should have kept the war going, like Biden would have." Is that so hard? 

We, as humans, need to understand that war is a last resort.

Biden should have tried to do something, anything, to avoid that war, and failing that, he should have at least tried to get peace.

Russia isn't going to f around until America gets another weakling like Biden in the WH.

Ukraine is out of soldiers. The Ukrainian people have no more stomach for war. They are having more desertions this winter than at any other time in the war, and now they're like a horse that smells the barn because Trump said he would bring peace and that's all the people care about now. 

1. Ukraine can say that they won their independence,
2. Russia can say that they gained territory,
3. Russia can say that they staved off NATO in Ukraine,
4. and all of the people who are still alive get to keep on living. 

As long as they all feel like they won something, who cares who's right about any of that? The f'ing war is over. Let them all crow. Yay for everyone. That war was so worth it 👎

The whole point is the make it NOT WORTH IT to BULLYING DICTATORS.

Xi is watching and will march into Taiwan and probably destroy the vast majority of their super high tech chip manufacturing, thus plunging the entire world into a major depression.

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, User said:

This is not context, you outright made a false statement. 

Why argue with me?

I never made a false statement, it is you that seems to have imagined situations LOL

[User]

16 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Why argue with me?

I never made a false statement, it is you that seems to have imagined situations LOL

Why do you make false statements?

Yes, this was false:

"Oh and Ukraine was not in NATO or the European Union so, there would and could not be any intervention."

[ExFlyer]

24 minutes ago, User said:

Why do you make false statements?

Yes, this was false:

"Oh and Ukraine was not in NATO or the European Union so, there would and could not be any intervention."

Oh? Ukraine is in NATO?    No.

Has it yet been granted EU standing?    No.    It asked for it in 2022 and "the European Council granted Ukraine the status of a candidate for accession to the EU."

[User]

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh? Ukraine is in NATO?    No.

Has it yet been granted EU standing?    No.    It asked for it in 2022 and "the European Council granted Ukraine the status of a candidate for accession to the EU."

This part... "so, there would and could not be any intervention"

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

@Hodad see how they post blubbering lDIOCY when they can't refute your points?

As if being upset about LIES TOLD is a pejorative. Pathological LIARS are never upset about being told LIES. 🤮

IN FACT they are here posting and defending LIES.

Looks very much like this war will end very much as I'd predicted a long time ago.

[ExFlyer]

3 hours ago, User said:

This part... "so, there would and could not be any intervention"

Yes, there could not be any intervention. They did not belong.

Ukraine could ask for help but, the other nations could not intervene.

Intervention:

1. interference by a country in another's affairs.

2. the interference of a country in the affairs of another country for the purpose of compelling it to do or forbear doing certain acts

Intervene :

1. to interfere usually by force or threat of force in another nation's affairs especially to compel or prevent an action

2. come between so as to prevent or alter a result or course of events.

 

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Looks very much like this war will end very much as I'd predicted a long time ago.

Yes, we know you've been advocating for SURRENDER TO BULLIES all your life. 🤮

@WestCanMan "The Ukraine Was Started Under Biden" we know Biden is old, but he's not THAT OLD, but maybe you ARE. LMAO.

[herbie]

23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What did Ukraine gain from this war, herbie? 

What a dumb question to ask. Duh! Think about it. They still exist.... not a good enough reason for you?

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

What a dumb question to ask. Duh! Think about it. They still exist.... not a good enough reason for you?

And they will still exist after the war is over, so why are you against ending the war? 

Technically they could still be overtaken if the war doesn't end... They haven't crossed the finish line until the war stops. 

[Nationalist]

35 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Yes, we know you've been advocating for SURRENDER TO BULLIES all your life. 🤮

@WestCanMan "The Ukraine Was Started Under Biden" we know Biden is old, but he's not THAT OLD, but maybe you ARE. LMAO.

We? I believe I've challenged you in the past and you were a no-show. Meh...

It's sometimes hard to imagine you're older than 12.

Edited February 21 by Nationalist

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Looks very much like this war will end very much as I'd predicted a long time ago.

It's funny how we can predict the war, when they think it won't happen, and then we can predict the end when they think it's not coming, but they are going to tell us that they are the experts on the subject 🤣

And remember the part about: "There are 15,000 Russian soldiers dead, less than 1,000 Ukrainian civilians, and less than 1,000 Ukr soldiers: IT'S A GENOCIDE!"...

Because that makes so much sense. 

And then: "The Ukrainians are winning everything all the time!" but I look at the map and the battle lines keep moving further into Ukraine...

This war is like every other topic under the Sun... Leftists just don't feel right if they're not lying about it in some way.

35 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Yes, we know you've been advocating for SURRENDER TO BULLIES all your life. 🤮

@WestCanMan "The Ukraine Was Started Under Biden" we know Biden is old, but he's not THAT OLD, but maybe you ARE. LMAO.

You must have been drinking with Contrarian. 

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

What a dumb question to ask. Duh! Think about it. They still exist.... not a good enough reason for you?

In a rather diminished capacity.

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's funny how we can predict the war, when they think it won't happen, and then we can predict the end when they think it's not coming, but they are going to tell us that they are the experts on the subject 🤣

And remember the part about: "There are 15,000 Russian soldiers dead, less than 1,000 Ukrainian civilians, and less than 1,000 Ukr soldiers: IT'S A GENOCIDE!"...

Because that makes so much sense. 

And then: "The Ukrainians are winning everything all the time!" but I look at the map and the battle lines keep moving further into Ukraine...

This war is like every other topic under the Sun... Leftists just don't feel right if they're not lying about it in some way.

You must have been drinking with Contrarian. 

It is weird. It's like watching a Chihuahua fight a German Shepard...or a Bear. 

I don't understand how anyone could have seen this develop and finally blow, and really believe Ukraine was gonna win anything. They're lucky Kiev is still there.

 

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You must have been drinking with Contrarian. 

I'm not the one who said " "The Ukraine Was Started Under Biden"

Since you don't understand what that means (despite writing it) then you ARE THAT OLD.

 

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Originally a term for a borderland or frontier used by Ukrainians, Russians, and Poles, the term ukraïna came to encompass the Cossack lands of the Dnieper River basin in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries.