Humans Living on Mars vs Robots on Venus

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, August1991 said:

LOL.

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I admire Elon.  But humans living on Mars?

Let's send robots to Venus and figure out what happened.

Fergawdsakes, let's pay for satellites with high precision cameras to see the potential asteroids.  

We have satellites with high Precision cameras. We had hubble, and that was amazing. and now we have james webb. 

Why do you keep spouting this illiterate nonsense? You're making endless stupid statements that are demonstrably wrong, demanding things that are scientifically impossible at this time and suggesting we should do things we've already done.

What the hell is the matter with you right now? Don't you have anything intelligent to bring to the table? You're not usually this dumb

[August1991]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We have satellites with high Precision cameras. We had hubble, and that was amazing. and now we have james webb.

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We don't have such "cameras".

We don't have "robots" on Venus. We don't know what happened on Venus.

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Let me repeat: No human will ever live on Mars.

We are wasting resources to live on Mars rather than wondering why life on Venus is not possible. 

[August1991]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We have satellites with high Precision cameras. We had hubble, and that was amazing. and now we have james webb.

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On a separate note, we now have a Vera Rubin telescope.

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, August1991 said:

 

Let me repeat: No human will ever live on Mars.

 

We should focus on educating those among us who think the world is flat, or that the greenhouse effect isn't real. 

 

[August1991]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

We should focus on educating those among us who think the world is flat, or that the greenhouse effect isn't real. 

 

Disagree. The world is obviously not flat.

As to the greenhouse effect, true.

But does it matter?

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, August1991 said:

We don't have such "cameras".

We don't have "robots" on Venus. We don't know what happened on Venus.

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Let me repeat: No human will ever live on Mars.

We are wasting resources to live on Mars rather than wondering why life on Venus is not possible. 

We absolutely do have those cameras. I just gave you their names.

And we can't put robots on venus at this time. The technology just isn't there. But we have had satellites nearby examining it and probably will again.

I don't know why you insist on lying

i don't know why @Michael Hardner is happy about you lying other than he's just generally supportive of lies i guess?  

4 hours ago, August1991 said:

On a separate note, we now have a Vera Rubin telescope.

You literally just insisted that we didn't have any cameras. Couldn't you wait at least one post before you contradicted yourself?   

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

Disagree. The world is obviously not flat.

As to the greenhouse effect, true.

But does it matter?

 

Our public sphere is designed for there to be experts, that we believe and listen to.

If there are too many flat earthers, we get shamans and flakes instead of experts.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Our public sphere is designed for there to be experts, that we believe and listen to.

If there are too many flat earthers, we get shamans and flakes instead of experts.

Our public sphere has no such thing. 

We have experts who provide evidence and offer interpretation. We ASSUME THEY MAY BE WRONG AND ATTEMPT TO VERIFY.  In fact that's how the whole system is designed.  We don't just blindly believe them at all. 

Further the public uses their findings and opinions to influence it's decisions but does NOT blindly follow the experts at all. 

The fact is the experts are often wrong.  That is a simple truth.  Einstein himself said that 'spooky action at a distance' wasn't happening and so did Schrodinger (made a little story about a cat about it as you may have heard)  and those are two of our most expert experts. 

The nobel prize was won 2 years ago or thereabouts by a team who proved conclusively that they were wrong and it does. 

So there you go. 

Pretty much every climate change model has already proven to be wrong, usually by admission from the scientists who developed them (and often with them saying it was too forgiving).   So we know that following the experts is not smart.

It is wise to consider what the experts say. It is wise to give appropriate weight to their comments and conclusions and findings. But it is beyond foolish to follow them blindly.  

[August1991]

On 9/20/2025 at 2:18 PM, CdnFox said:

Our public sphere has no such thing. 

We have experts who provide evidence and offer interpretation. We ASSUME THEY MAY BE WRONG AND ATTEMPT TO VERIFY.  In fact that's how the whole system is designed.  We don't just blindly believe them at all. 

Further the public uses their findings and opinions to influence it's decisions but does NOT blindly follow the experts at all. 

The fact is the experts are often wrong.  That is a simple truth.  Einstein himself said that 'spooky action at a distance' wasn't happening and so did Schrodinger (made a little story about a cat about it as you may have heard)  and those are two of our most expert experts. 

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I won't get into Einstein and cats.

I simply note that Science and Politics are obviously linked. Someone paid for Galileo's lens to see the moons of Jupiter.

(Hint: Venetian traders wanted to see which ship was arriving first. I think Michael Lewis has based several books on this concept.) 

Edited September 21, 2025 by August1991

[August1991]

On 9/20/2025 at 12:31 AM, CdnFox said:

We absolutely do have those cameras. I just gave you their names.

And we can't put robots on venus at this time. The technology just isn't there. But we have had satellites nearby examining it and probably will again.

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I agree.

We have robots and cameras that we can send to Mars - and even to Venus.

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No human will ever live on Mars.

[August1991]

We are foolishly wasting resources to send people to live where it is impossible to live - planets, moons, space-stations.

And we are also foolishly looking for life on other planets, exo-planets.

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We rather should send robots to find what happened on Venus.

And make sure another asteroid doesn't arrive from the Sun side.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

I won't get into Einstein and cats.

At least not till they get a dr seuss book on it? LOL

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

We are foolishly wasting resources to send people to live where it is impossible to live - planets, moons, space-stations.

But they're living there. So it's possible to live there. It's a ridiculous statement to say we're sending people to live and they're living in a place where they couldn't possibly live and yet they're living. You have to see how ridiculous that is

And it's not a waste of resources, a crap ton of Research is done in those places that simply couldn't be done anywhere else. I know you're not a fan of science but a lot of people are

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

And we are also foolishly looking for life on other planets, exo-planets.

Why would that be foolish? You seem to inherently hate expanding our knowledge. Are you secretly a Luddite or Amish or something? Have you upgraded your clothing to have buttons yet?

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

simply note that Science and Politics are obviously linked. Someone paid for Galileo's lens to see the moons of Jupiter.

Yeah, Galileo did. Austin is money came from being a teacher and a few side gigs. Occasionally some wealthy person or family would give him some cash for patronage but he didn't get government money and paid for most of the stuff he bought himself. Reportedly he was often tight on cash

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

We have robots and cameras that we can send to Mars - and even to Venus.

What robot do we have that we can send to venus? Name that one.

And we know what happened on venus

You just being completely retarded. You're talking like a 6 year old trying to explain to someone that santa is real. What you're saying is simply wrong it's not a matter of opinion you're just wrong. Read up on it a bit

[August1991]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

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But they're living there. So it's possible to live there. It's a ridiculous statement to say we're sending people to live and they're living in a place where they couldn't possibly live and yet they're living. You have to see how ridiculous that is

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True, humans can live in space, zero-gravity. Within the protection of Earth's shell. LEO.

The Sun and universe send various waves.

No human has lived -long term- outside the shell of our Earth's radioactive shield. The Apollo astronauts managed a few days. We humans are not designed for such.

[August1991]

A critical test of the Gemini project was humans going outside the Van Allen belt.

Gemini XI went highest.

The Gemini VII went longest.

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Only America has launched a human beyond LEO.

Edited September 22, 2025 by August1991

[August1991]

Van Allen belt is incorrect. Our planet has a weird magnetic field. It works, then doesn't - then does.

Can someone better/smarter explain? 

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, August1991 said:

True, humans can live in space, zero-gravity. Within the protection of Earth's shell. LEO.

The Sun and universe send various waves.

No human has lived -long term- outside the shell of our Earth's radioactive shield. The Apollo astronauts managed a few days. We humans are not designed for such.

We can live as long outside of the earth's shield as we can inside. It's really not that hard. We have this stuff now called metal that those waves can't pierce and the suggestion has been we could make our space stations out of that 🙄🙄🙄

The biggest thing that the earth's magnetic shield does for us is keep our atmosphere from being stripped away by solar winds. But it turns out you can do that with metal too

[August1991]

On 9/22/2025 at 1:34 PM, CdnFox said:

We can live as long outside of the earth's shield as we can inside. It's really not that hard. We have this stuff now called metal that those waves can't pierce and the suggestion has been we could make our space stations out of that 🙄🙄🙄

The biggest thing that the earth's magnetic shield does for us is keep our atmosphere from being stripped away by solar winds. But it turns out you can do that with metal too

Disagree.

Solar waves are one thing.

Random waves from the rest of the universe another.

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We humans live in a remarkable shell that protects us. Intelligent Design?

Humans who say such nonsense have no idea of how large the universe is. I have always thought that Richard Dawkins should study cosmology.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Solar waves are one thing.

Random waves from the rest of the universe another.

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Random waves?  What the hell 'random waves' are you talking about?

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We humans live in a remarkable shell that protects us. Intelligent Design?

No.

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Humans who say such nonsense have no idea of how large the universe is. I have always thought that Richard Dawkins should study cosmology.

How large the universe is wouldn't be relevant. Design could take place either way. it just doesn't. 

[August1991]

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Random waves?  What the hell 'random waves' are you talking about?

Humans can see light. Our eyes have evolved to see.  We are surrounded by many other waves.

We have micro-waves. We use phones. X-rays - scary. 

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Our sun sends rays. And the other suns in our galaxy also sends rays, randomly.

We on this Earth are protected.

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Anyone living on Mars, the Moon will suffer from Sun rays - and the random rays from stars outside our solar system, even our galaxy.

We humans have evolved  to live on Earth.

Edited September 24, 2025 by August1991

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Humans can see light. Our eyes have evolved to see.  We are surrounded by many other waves.

So you're worried about random light hitting us from distant sources and damaging us if there was no magnetic shield 

Soooo.. turns out the shield lets light through.  Otherwise we couldn't see the sun. 

24 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Anyone living on Mars, the Moon will suffer from Sun rays - and the random rays from stars outside our solar system, even our galaxy.

You are patently insane.  Go to bed, you're drunk. 

[August1991]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

So you're worried about random light hitting us from distant sources and damaging us if there was no magnetic shield 

Soooo.. turns out the shield lets light through.  Otherwise we couldn't see the sun. 

You are patently insane.  Go to bed, you're drunk. 

Drunk, maybe.

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Any human who travels beyond the protection of LEO will suffer sun rays, and random rays from the rest of the Universe.

The sun rays are sort of predictable. The other rays are not.

The only people who have travelled beyond LEO are the Apollo astronauts and a few Gemini astronauts.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Drunk, maybe.

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Any human who travels beyond the protection of LEO will suffer sun rays, and random rays from the rest of the Universe.

The sun rays are sort of predictable. The other rays are not.

The only people who have travelled beyond LEO are the Apollo astronauts and a few Gemini astronauts.

 

I think you're suffering from random rays......

[SpankyMcFarland]

Let the robots make the trip to Mars a routine thing, eg a hundred consecutive uneventful flights and help within a week for any human expedition, before we consider sending anybody but Elon Musk there. 

Edited December 22, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[August1991]

On 12/21/2025 at 10:00 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Let the robots make the trip to Mars a routine thing, eg a hundred consecutive uneventful flights and help within a week for any human expedition, before we consider sending anybody but Elon Musk there. 

Agreed.

No human will live on Mars. Our DNA is not designed for such a planet.

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1. Climate change? Let's send robots to Venus to figure out what happened. 

2. Impending doom? Let's send satellites to detect incoming asteroids.

[CdnFox]

On 12/25/2025 at 6:49 PM, August1991 said:

Agreed.

No human will live on Mars. Our DNA is not designed for such a planet.

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1. Climate change? Let's send robots to Venus to figure out what happened. 

2. Impending doom? Let's send satellites to detect incoming asteroids.

Repeating stupid things again and again doesn't make the things smart. It makes you stupid