robosmith Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ironstone said: We can revisit this aspect in 2028 when the next presidential election is due. Or perhaps in 2026 for the mid-term elections? Or do you guys expect there will never be more elections from now on?😐 You mean to check whether the sky fell? LMAO It doesn't matter whether there are more elections when Trump is ILLEGALLY dismantling the government NOW. Like Musk said, he wants to eliminate Congressionally mandated programs/institutions to make them much harder to resurrect. The POTUS has no authority to do that. It has to be done by Congress to be LEGAL. Why do you keep believing you know the law here? Edited February 16 by robosmith 1 Quote
myata Posted February 16 Author Report Posted February 16 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Trust me, in four years In alternate 1933? Just trust you, the assurance? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
robosmith Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 11 minutes ago, Legato said: Cmon sweetie I've told you 800 million times that fructooligosaccharides (FOS) are just artificial sweeteners. And I keep telling you to stop TROLLING. Quote
taxme Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 20 minutes ago, robosmith said: You need to STOP BELIEVING FOS LIES because they're PROVEN LIARS to the tune of an $800M libel penalty. Of course they never told you about that. LMAO As if CNN has never been sued for libel? CNN has been proven as liars many times, lefty. Of course CNN has never told you about that, now did they? The internet is full of libel cases against CNN. CNN is well known for lying and spreading bull chit. Laugh your ass off about that, lefty. LMAO. I will take Fox News over CNN anytime. At least with Fox News, I can get the other side of the story that trendy left wing liberals like you do not want people like me to hear or know about. Truth hurts you, doesn't it, lefty? Judging by your reply, I guess that WEF globalist Carney is the man for you to save Canada, eh? Carney is just another Trudeau that if ever elected as the PM of Canada, it will be the same old, same old because Carney is just another Trudeau. Oh the joy and thought of it all. LMAO. Quote
User Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 11 minutes ago, Radiorum said: I realize the distinction is too subtle for your feeble mind. It is a distinction without a difference. You: No one is calling Trump Hitler... next post, Trump is like Hitler! 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: And I keep telling you to stop TROLLING. That is almost entirely all you do here is troll. Quote
robosmith Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 1 minute ago, taxme said: As if CNN has never been sued for libel? CNN has been proven as liars many times, lefty. Of course CNN has never told you about that, now did they? The internet is full of libel cases against CNN. CNN is well known for lying and spreading bull chit. Laugh your ass off about that, lefty. LMAO. NO purported "news" channel has ever before LOST $800M for LYING. That is HUGE. 1 minute ago, taxme said: I will take Fox News over CNN anytime. At least with Fox News, I can get the other side of the story that trendy left wing liberals like you do not want people like me to hear or know about. Truth hurts you, doesn't it, lefty? FOS never tells the whole story. That's why right wingers here are so IGNORANT. 1 minute ago, taxme said: Judging by your reply, I guess that WEF globalist Carney is the man for you to save Canada, eh? Carney is just another Trudeau that if ever elected as the PM of Canada, it will be the same old, same old because Carney is just another Trudeau. Oh the joy and thought of it all. LMAO. What makes you believe I know anything about Canuck politics? This is US Federal forum. Quote
taxme Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 1 hour ago, robosmith said: NO purported "news" channel has ever before LOST $800M for LYING. That is HUGE. FOS never tells the whole story. That's why right wingers here are so IGNORANT. What makes you believe I know anything about Canuck politics? This is US Federal forum. One libel case against Fox News. Many dozens against CNN. They probably will all amount up too many more millions then the paltry $800 million that Fox News had to pay out. We will never hear about the many libel suits brought against and on CNN. Shocking indeed. Ha-ha-ha. Fox News has been reporting for over four years now about the border crisis at the Mexican border while BiDumb was the president. Millions of illegals entered America illegally under BiDumb and BiDumb did nothing about it while he was the president of a corrupt and incompetent democratic government. Tens of thousands of criminals were allowed into America under BiDumb. Drugs of fentanyl poured into America under BiDumb. It is left wing liberals like you that are made ignorant of the facts as to what was going on at the border under BiDumb. CNN never told you like Fox News did, now did they? There is nothing you need to know about Canadian politics. It stinks. Canadian politics is just as corrupt and incompetent as BiDumbs government was. At least Americans are learning more about how corrupt American politics has been under BiDumb. You should be happy to see Trump clean out the deep state house of horrors. 🤗 1 Quote
Legato Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 2 hours ago, myata said: In alternate 1933? Just trust you, the assurance? the alternate 1166 disguised as a Hemi tick. Try to lubricate a wicker basket. Quote
robosmith Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 3 hours ago, taxme said: One libel case against Fox News. Many dozens against CNN. They probably will all amount up too many more millions then the paltry $800 million that Fox News had to pay out. We will never hear about the many libel suits brought against and on CNN. Shocking indeed. Ha-ha-ha. Yes, I can see that you're JOKING. Paltry $800M ha-ha-ha Many libel cases against FOS LIES: CNN pays chump change for nuisance lawsuits. ha-ha-ha Here are the other legal cases Fox is entangled in. The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › fox-lawsuits-legal-cases Apr 18, 2023 — Smartmatic: Another election technology company, Smartmatic, filed a $2.7 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox in February 2021, accusing the ... 3 hours ago, taxme said: Fox News has been reporting for over four years now about the border crisis at the Mexican border while BiDumb was the president. Millions of illegals entered America illegally under BiDumb and BiDumb did nothing about it while he was the president of a corrupt and incompetent democratic government. Tens of thousands of criminals were allowed into America under BiDumb. Drugs of fentanyl poured into America under BiDumb. It is left wing liberals like you that are made ignorant of the facts as to what was going on at the border under BiDumb. CNN never told you like Fox News did, now did they? The LAW requires immigrants the RIGHT to claim ASYLUM. Duh 3 hours ago, taxme said: There is nothing you need to know about Canadian politics. It stinks. Canadian politics is just as corrupt and incompetent as BiDumbs government was. At least Americans are learning more about how corrupt American politics has been under BiDumb. You should be happy to see Trump clean out the deep state house of horrors. 🤗 You KNOW NOTHING about the law here that requires Congressional approval to dissolve Congressionally mandated institutions. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 One more step and we reach fascism! 2025 is so going to be a great year. Fùck it. They believe we think that no matter what we say. Might as well have some fun with it. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
myata Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 If the felon chooses to defy the law, the country will find itself before a clear, binary choice: depose the aspiring tyrant; or let go of the rule of law and democracy. It's just as simple as that. No words that could make it go away and no miracles that could fix it. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Michael Hardner Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 4 hours ago, myata said: If the felon chooses to defy the law, the country will find itself before a clear, binary choice: depose the aspiring tyrant; or let go of the rule of law and democracy. It's just as simple as that. No words that could make it go away and no miracles that could fix it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#:~:text=Fascism prioritizes the nation over,self-sufficiency%2C and totalitarianism. This is a good read. As they say, defining fascism is like nailing jelly to the wall. It also points out that not all authoritarian governments are fascist. My observation is that fascism is most often used in reference to Nazi Germany. As such, even though I agree that the USA government could be on the brink of ignoring Major court orders, and having aspects of direct rule from the president... I think there are still major aspects that would be missing: - murderous genocide, I don't see happening. - suspension of elections would be culturally hard to accept, and legislators would likely fight back. - militarism is an aspect that the administration explicitly rejected in various messages, and although they have made overtures for expansion of territory they have not made explicit threats in this regard If you think about the Long view, these things were not as taboo 100 years ago. I'm not predicting that they definitely won't happen, but I think it's unlikely. So in 4 years, the USA can decide how how well this government did for them. My feeling is it will be based largely on economic performance. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
myata Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: As such, even though I agree that the USA government could be on the brink of ignoring Major court orders, and having aspects of direct rule from the president... I agree that "fascism" can be a disputable definition in this case but will refrain from changing the title now. Some relevant observations: - "Murderous genocide" belongs to the definition of German Nazism, but not a necessary attribute of fascism in general. Italian fascism generally recognized as such, did not have it neither Portuguese, Argentinean and Chilean dictatorship that came very close. - An aggressive expansionism including militarism characterizes all generally accepted cases of fascism and has been expressed by Trump's administration. - Suspension of general elections is not a necessary attribute of fascism as shown by Italian early fascism, 1924 - 1939. - The idea that "elections" can mean anything without or with compromised rule of law is beyond naive, as any self-respecting dictator and I'm too bored to count factual instances will claim that they won the elections pet courts "confirming" the outcome and then use brutal force to suppress protests "legitimately". This is not an abstract thought in the US even now. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: USA can decide how how well this government did for them. My feeling is it will be based largely on economic performance And the concluding remarks. 1. An election in the environment of non-existent or compromised rule of law can be meaningless. "It can never happen" to us, the idea? 2. A society that decides the choice solely on "economic performance" can be classified as authoritarianism- and/or fascism-ready. If it stopped caring about: the rule of law; the functioning of democracy; general and universal principles of freedom and democracy; and even, the objective reality itself such a society can elect fascism and has done it, and not once. And importantly, this condition is already the past, done and sealed. Edited February 17 by myata 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Michael Hardner Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 3 hours ago, myata said: I agree that "fascism" can be a disputable definition in this case but will refrain from changing the title now. Some relevant observations: - "Murderous genocide" belongs to the definition of German Nazism, but not a necessary attribute of fascism in general. Italian fascism generally recognized as such, did not have it neither Portuguese, Argentinean and Chilean dictatorship that came very close. - An aggressive expansionism including militarism characterizes all generally accepted cases of fascism and has been expressed by Trump's administration. - Suspension of general elections is not a necessary attribute of fascism as shown by Italian early fascism, 1924 - 1939. - The idea that "elections" can mean anything without or with compromised rule of law is beyond naive, as any self-respecting dictator and I'm too bored to count factual instances will claim that they won the elections pet courts "confirming" the outcome and then use brutal force to suppress protests "legitimately". This is not an abstract thought in the US even now. All good points. I didn't mean to say that the USA administration, by avoiding these steps, would not be fascist. What I meant to say is that those steps are the worst and most feared aspects of fascism. And I'll stand by my assertion that I think the three of them are unlikely. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
myata Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: And I'll stand by my assertion that I think the three of them are unlikely. OK, but based on what rational grounds, the thinking? Minus the genocide and suspension of elections in the early phase, what isn't possible, even at the present state, now? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
taxme Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 20 hours ago, robosmith said: Yes, I can see that you're JOKING. Paltry $800M ha-ha-ha Many libel cases against FOS LIES: CNN pays chump change for nuisance lawsuits. ha-ha-ha Here are the other legal cases Fox is entangled in. The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › fox-lawsuits-legal-cases Apr 18, 2023 — Smartmatic: Another election technology company, Smartmatic, filed a $2.7 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox in February 2021, accusing the ... The LAW requires immigrants the RIGHT to claim ASYLUM. Duh You KNOW NOTHING about the law here that requires Congressional approval to dissolve Congressionally mandated institutions. So, what is your point here anyway? Who cares who sues who for libel. Fox News is still doing a great job of reporting the real and truthful news about corruption and the incompetence of the demonrat party. Before Trump took office, illegal immigration was running around tens of thousands every month. BiDumb said that there was nothing he could do about it. When Trump became the President, the border was immediately shut down. Trump did something about it right away. After three weeks in office, illegal border crossings are down to approx. 290 a day and dropping. 80 million Americans voted for Trump to clean house. The lies and bullshit that keep coming out of the demonrats and CNN mouths are incredible indeed. Trump is getting rid of big government and corruption and incompetence and saving hundreds of millions of tax dollars that the demonrats borrowed and then wasted on stupid pet socialist programs and agendas around the world. Americans wanted Trump to clean out the deep state house in Washington, and every taxpayer in America should be freaking happy about that instead of constantly attacking and mocking Trump for doing so. The demonrats know that they are in deep doo-doo and they are trying hard to cover their asses. Listen to Fox News at night and learn more. I do. 🤪 Quote
robosmith Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 1 minute ago, taxme said: So, what is your point here anyway? Who cares who sues who for libel. Fox News is still doing a great job of reporting the real and truthful news about corruption and the incompetence of the demonrat party. I stopped right ^here. You are DELUSIONAL. LYING is NOT "doing a great job of reporting." LMAO Quote
taxme Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 On 2/17/2025 at 1:57 PM, robosmith said: I stopped right ^here. You are DELUSIONAL. LYING is NOT "doing a great job of reporting." LMAO Were you parents a couple of dodo birds? Just asking. 🤣 Quote
robosmith Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 1 minute ago, taxme said: Were you parents a couple of dodo birds? Just asking. 🤣 Why? Cause you don't understand LYING is NOT "doing a great job of reporting." Did FOS LIES not tell you they had to pay $800M FOR LYING? LMAO Quote
taxme Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 8 minutes ago, robosmith said: Why? Cause you don't understand LYING is NOT "doing a great job of reporting." Did FOS LIES not tell you they had to pay $800M FOR LYING? LMAO I know what you are trying to do here, bird brain. You are trying to make Fox News look bad by constantly bringing up some libel suit against Fox News over and over again. Enough already. So, if that is all you have on Fox News, you should give up, tweety. Joey BiDumb said that there were no problems at the Mexican/American border. What a lying bastard he was just like you. Only tens of millions of illegals crossed over from Mexico into America while BiDumb was dictator. President Trump had to close the border to fix up the illegal immigration problem at the border caused by your dear leader, BiDumb. Hardly any problems now with illegal aliens at the border. Trump is the man, man. 😛 You never seem to learn that you will never win against me or with Fox News. I am too good for you to try and beat. But if you want to keep wasting your useless time with me, bird brain, then bring it on. 🤪🤣🤡 Quote
taxme Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 On 2/16/2025 at 12:08 PM, robosmith said: You mean to check whether the sky fell? LMAO It doesn't matter whether there are more elections when Trump is ILLEGALLY dismantling the government NOW. Like Musk said, he wants to eliminate Congressionally mandated programs/institutions to make them much harder to resurrect. The POTUS has no authority to do that. It has to be done by Congress to be LEGAL. Why do you keep believing you know the law here? You are the one that does not know the law, bird brain. BiDumb committed plenty of illegal things and got away with it. BiDumb defied some Supreme Court rulings. Trump and Musk are doing a fine job of getting rid of corruption and incompetence in the deep state Washington government, and all you seem to want to do is attack both of them for doing so. All i can see here is that you must have a part in all of that corruption and incompetence going on in the Washington government swamp. Are you really that dumb? Why yes, i do believe that you are. 🤪 Your stupid logic here appears to be that where you live, someone decides to come help you to clean up your mess in your home, and you tell them not to bother. I want to leave as it is and make things worse.👎 Thank gawd that your leftist liberal ilk is not running America anymore. A real man has taken over. Live with it, girlie man. LOL. Quote
robosmith Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 23 minutes ago, taxme said: You are the one that does not know the law, bird brain. BiDumb committed plenty of illegal things and got away with it. BiDumb defied some Supreme Court rulings. Trump and Musk are doing a fine job of getting rid of corruption and incompetence in the deep state Washington government, and all you seem to want to do is attack both of them for doing so. All i can see here is that you must have a part in all of that corruption and incompetence going on in the Washington government swamp. Are you really that dumb? Why yes, i do believe that you are. 🤪 Your stupid logic here appears to be that where you live, someone decides to come help you to clean up your mess in your home, and you tell them not to bother. I want to leave as it is and make things worse.👎 Thank gawd that your leftist liberal ilk is not running America anymore. A real man has taken over. Live with it, girlie man. LOL. Biden found a way around the SCOTUS by using a different method. Perfectly fair and square, but FOS LIES didn't tell you about that. LMAO Quote
robosmith Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 36 minutes ago, taxme said: I know what you are trying to do here, bird brain. You are trying to make Fox News look bad by constantly bringing up some libel suit against Fox News over and over again. Enough already. So, if that is all you have on Fox News, you should give up, tweety. Joey BiDumb said that there were no problems at the Mexican/American border. What a lying bastard he was just like you. Only tens of millions of illegals crossed over from Mexico into America while BiDumb was dictator. President Trump had to close the border to fix up the illegal immigration problem at the border caused by your dear leader, BiDumb. Hardly any problems now with illegal aliens at the border. Trump is the man, man. 😛 You never seem to learn that you will never win against me or with Fox News. I am too good for you to try and beat. But if you want to keep wasting your useless time with me, bird brain, then bring it on. 🤪🤣🤡 I don't have to make FOS LIES look bad, they did that ALL BY THEMSELVES. Except they did a great job of HIDING IT FROM YOU, cause your sources are SO LIMITED and you buy their EXCUSES. Duh Quote
taxme Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 On 2/18/2025 at 4:15 PM, robosmith said: Biden found a way around the SCOTUS by using a different method. Perfectly fair and square, but FOS LIES didn't tell you about that. LMAO Fox News has already told me about the corruption and incompetence of Joe BiDumb. He was one of the most disliked and dishonest presidents America ever had. No matter what method BiDumb used, he still is an sob. 👎 Quote
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