Modernization of Canadian political system becomes a matter of urgency

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're just a silly troll who says that about everyone who doesn't fawn over PP the way you constantly do.

I point out specific examples frequently. What's worse, so do others.

Since the day I came here people have been pointing out that you're a lying sack of shit whose default setting is dishonesty.

And not only do you defend the liberals, but you go so far as to blame harper for the liberal crimes because he didn't try hard enough to prevent future governments from committing them. And then you have a little freak out when I point out that snc was a future government being caught breaking a law that harper passed.

You keep going on about accountability but then get big mad whenever I point out that we have accountability right now, we know the crimes the government is committing and people like you still keep voting them in. We all knew about agacon, we all knew about snc, we all knew about the WE scandals. And yet you continue and get mad whenever anybody suggests that this should be grounds for destroying that government as soon as legally possible and that the people who voted for them at the last election bear responsibility for their crimes.

You're scummy little person and you get mad when people point out your behaving scummy. Don't behave scummy and I guarantee the problem will substantially reduce.

In the meantime don't pretend that you care about accountability while you prop up a government he's committed more crimes that we know about than any other before it

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It isn't doing a damn thing to harm society, we know most of what's going on in society doesn't give a crap anyway.

Yup, corruption is good for society.

 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yup, corruption is good for society.

 

Based on your voting histories the left must truly believe this

[eyeball]

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

...he's committed more crimes that we know about than any other before it.

I look forward to the day PP is elected and he has Trudeau arrested.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Based on your voting histories the left must truly believe this

Maybe, I'm basing the value Canadians place on corruption from listening to you and your observation that no one cares. But in case you're feeling left out,  @ExFlyer, @herbie and @Queenmandy85 have all had a good hand in bringing me around too.

Good job all of you. Thanks.

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I look forward to the day PP is elected and he has Trudeau arrested.

It would break your heart

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Maybe, I'm basing the value Canadians place on corruption from listening to you and your observation that no one cares.

Then you would be observing yourself. You've shown a million times over that you don't care and never have.

My point was that until you and the others you mentioned and other liberal supporters start to care and actually believe in wiping out corrupt governments then what we're going to get is corrupt governments

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

My point was that until you and the others you mentioned and other liberal supporters start to care and actually believe in wiping out corrupt governments then what we're going to get is corrupt governments.

So...your point is that no one cares more about doing anything to prevent corruption than you?

It must be lonely in your saddle.

 

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So...your point is that no one cares more about doing anything to prevent corruption than you?

I suppose if you were a lying scumbag who thrived on dishonesty you might read that into what I said   

What I said was that you guys don't care at all and until you do this is what we get. There are plenty of conservative supporters who care a great deal and it really doesn't matter who cares the most. As long as people like you are tolerant of corruption we get corruption.

If every party knew that being caught at any level of corruption would mean they would be utterly wiped out at the next election they would do everything humanly possible to avoid even the appearance of corruption. We would have a more or less honest government. Instead we get trudeau and Jaggers, one of which is corrupt and the other is happy to support corruption.

 

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Maybe, I'm basing the value Canadians place on corruption from listening to you and your observation that no one cares. But in case you're feeling left out,  @ExFlyer, @herbie and @Queenmandy85 have all had a good hand in bringing me around too.

Good job all of you. Thanks.

"had a good hand in bringing me around too.".... to what?? LOL

Edited February 11 by ExFlyer

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

"had a good hand in bringing me around too.".... to what?? LOL

That corruption is a nothing-burger and likely even good for the country.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That corruption is a nothing-burger and likely even good for the country.

They didn't bring you around. That's where the short bus dropped you off ages ago and you're still waiting   

[ExFlyer]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

That corruption is a nothing-burger and likely even good for the country.

Who ever said that???

And when?

And where?

Edited February 11 by ExFlyer

[eyeball]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

Who ever said that???

And when?

And where?

It's the impression I get - based on being told ad nauseam that it's none of my business what politicians and governments do.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's the impression I get - based on being told ad nauseam that it's none of my business what politicians and governments do.

It's the impression you give based on being told ad nauseam what the politicians have done and still not giving a crap or wanting to actually throw out the criminal governments in question.

Your hypocrisy is overwhelming

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's the impression I get - based on being told ad nauseam that it's none of my business what politicians and governments do.

So again:

Who ever said that???

And when?

And where?

The impression you should be getting is much of business, public or private is non of your business. You may feel entitled to know but the fact is, you are not.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

The impression you should be getting is much of business, public or private is non of your business. You may feel entitled to know but the fact is, you are not.

The impression I get from government and politicians however is that the public is entitled to know what they're doing...until the rubber hits the road somewhere and raises a stink.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

So again:

Who ever said that???

And when?

And where?

You.

Now.

This post.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

The impression I get from government and politicians however is that the public is entitled to know what they're doing...until the rubber hits the road somewhere and raises a stink.

You.

Now.

This post.

Gee look, eyeball is lying again to try and pretend he has some sort of point and isn't just a useless twat. Yawn.

Sure kid.

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

The impression I get from government and politicians however is that the public is entitled to know what they're doing...until the rubber hits the road somewhere and raises a stink.

 

You are under the wrong impression.

The public is eligible to know what it is doing as long as no personal, private , proprietary or security issues are divulged.

 

Edited February 12 by ExFlyer

[ExFlyer]

 

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

You.

Now.

This post.

Wrong again.

So, once again, prove it.

"Who ever said that???

And when?

And where?"

[Nationalist]

On 2/10/2025 at 9:30 PM, eyeball said:

So...your point is that no one cares more about doing anything to prevent corruption than you?

It must be lonely in your saddle.

 

No. I care. So do millions of Canadians. Apparently...you're not one of them.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

You are under the wrong impression.

The public is eligible to know what it is doing as long as no personal, private , proprietary or security issues are divulged.

Which is virtually always when the arbiter of these things is at the heart of the issue or being lobbied.

The FOI Act should require that the government applies to make things secret rather than the public having to apply to find things out.

All too often the automatic excuse given for secrecy is to allow for frank discussions which is simply code for talking about things that are controversial and that politicians don't want to be seen or heard engaging in.

At every least there should be serious criminal consequences for people who abuse and break the rules. As it stands now the system of accountability we employ to protect the public's interest is worse than any catch and release program - we don't even try to catch them. And when we do consequences are all to typical of that reserved for white-collar crime where a slap on the wrist often suffices.

And public mistrust just spreads like cancer.  It's simply unsustainable. 

In the meantime the federal government is only doubling down on keeping things secret.

Delays still rampant

Delays are still common in the federal system. According to the data, roughly 28 per cent of access requests (excluding those to IRCC) were completed outside legislated timelines, meaning the government broke the law on request timelines in close to a third of cases. The report also notes that just 54 per cent of institutions met the Treasury Board’s performance target on timeliness, which aims for 90 per cent of all access requests to be closed within legislated deadlines.

https://www.secretcanada.com/news/federal-access-to-information-statistics-2023

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. I care. So do millions of Canadians. Apparently...you're not one of them.

Sure, how could anyone conclude I don't care about accountability or transparency given what I post on the topic?

Oh right, its because I express doubts that an x on a ballot every 4-5 years is all we need to keep our government above board and squeaky clean.

LMAO!

[ExFlyer]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Which is virtually always when the arbiter of these things is at the heart of the issue or being lobbied.

The FOI Act should require that the government applies to make things secret rather than the public having to apply to find things out.

All too often the automatic excuse given for secrecy is to allow for frank discussions which is simply code for talking about things that are controversial and that politicians don't want to be seen or heard engaging in.

At every least there should be serious criminal consequences for people who abuse and break the rules. As it stands now the system of accountability we employ to protect the public's interest is worse than any catch and release program - we don't even try to catch them. And when we do consequences are all to typical of that reserved for white-collar crime where a slap on the wrist often suffices.

And public mistrust just spreads like cancer.  It's simply unsustainable. 

In the meantime the federal government is only doubling down on keeping things secret.

Delays still rampant

Delays are still common in the federal system. According to the data, roughly 28 per cent of access requests (excluding those to IRCC) were completed outside legislated timelines, meaning the government broke the law on request timelines in close to a third of cases. The report also notes that just 54 per cent of institutions met the Treasury Board’s performance target on timeliness, which aims for 90 per cent of all access requests to be closed within legislated deadlines.

https://www.secretcanada.com/news/federal-access-to-information-statistics-2023

LOL Get over yourself. Suck it up and get real.

You are not entitled to know any contractual, personal, proprietary or competitive business info..... let alone things designated secret.

"Under Canada's Access to Information laws, citizens can access most government records held by federal institutions, including information about government spending, programs, policies, and activities, unless the information falls under specific exemptions related to national security, personal privacy, commercial confidentiality, or other sensitive areas that could harm public interest; essentially, most government information is accessible except for limited exceptions that are clearly defined in the law. "

https://accessible.canada.ca/transparency/ATIP

https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/services/access-information-privacy/access-information-act.html

 

Key points about access to information in Canada:

• Who can access:

  Canadian citizens, permanent residents, and individuals present in Canada. 

•  
• What is accessible:

  General government records related to operations of federal institutions, including information on programs, policies, spending, and government activities. 
•  
• Exceptions:

  Information that could harm national security, individual privacy, commercial confidentiality, federal-provincial relations, and certain cabinet documents. 
•  
• Accessing personal information:

  To access personal information about yourself held by a government institution, you must use the Privacy Act, not the Access to Information Act. 

Edited February 12 by ExFlyer

[eyeball]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

You are not entitled to know any contractual, personal, proprietary or competitive business info..... let alone things designated secret.

You mean eligible - according to the people entitled to their secrecy.

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You mean eligible - according to the people entitled to their secrecy.

Yes and, according the the laws and policies and procedures which you seem to be completely unaware of

"Under Canada's Access to Information laws, citizens can access most government records held by federal institutions, including information about government spending, programs, policies, and activities, unless the information falls under specific exemptions related to national security, personal privacy, commercial confidentiality, or other sensitive areas that could harm public interest; essentially, most government information is accessible except for limited exceptions that are clearly defined in the law. "

https://accessible.canada.ca/transparency/ATIP

https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/services/access-information-privacy/access-information-act.html

 

 

Key points about access to information in Canada:

• Who can access:

  Canadian citizens, permanent residents, and individuals present in Canada. 

   

•  
• What is accessible:

  General government records related to operations of federal institutions, including information on programs, policies, spending, and government activities. 

   
•  
• Exceptions:

  Information that could harm national security, individual privacy, commercial confidentiality, federal-provincial relations, and certain cabinet documents. 

   
•  
• Accessing personal information:

  To access personal information about yourself held by a government institution, you must use the Privacy Act, not the Access to Information Act. 

 

https://accessible.canada.ca/transparency/ATIP

https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/services/access-information-privacy/access-information-act.html

 

Edited February 12 by ExFlyer