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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Your saying that Canadians are ready to take a huge hit in the pocket book, to prove a point...sh!t we can't even agree to spend a little on climate change that according to environmentalist is threatening the entire planet and all life on it....i find it a little ironic...Canadian economy experts have already said this would put Canada into a recession...1 in 4 Canadians are dollars away from going to the food banks, not to mention how many jobs are at stake here...

Not to mention Canadians are way to soft to face this kind of event, back in WWII people were hard they knew how to handle adversity,today food bank usage is sky high. My point is i don't think the nation is ready for this war as you call it...and i don't think we are going to make our as well as you think...in my opinion anyways...

Canadians are going to take a hit in the pocket book regardless. Trump isn't attacking us to make our lives better.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Canadians are going to take a hit in the pocket book regardless. Trump isn't attacking us to make our lives better.

How so, what if we did just agreed to fix what broken, create more jobs, and investments, improve our security ... might at most cost a few billion dollars,Nah thats not how we role instead we are going to put in jeopardy bils of trade every day the tariffs are in place, lose countless jobs, and regular Canadians are going to suffer in the pocket book...Yep sounds like the plan we all should be voting for...

I didn't say that, but his actions are forcing us to look at many other options,that are beneficial for our country...There is talks about expanding our oil and gas exports to other nations, building more infrastructure to support all of that, not to mention all of our other resources, bringing them to other markets....( something we learned the hard way on Trump 1.0 but failed to take action on) ..Making our border more secure, along with increasing our northern defences, and increasing our over all security apparatus. Nah that plan would see us as weak, well folks we are weak, something of our own doing....

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Where did I post that?

You didn't, I quoted the quote box you used to quote Army Guy. My bad.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

Posted
1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

...sh!t we can't even agree to spend a little on climate change that according to environmentalist is threatening the entire planet and all life on it...

Who's this we you're talking about?

Yeah yeah yeah so you bought a solar panel...pffft. 

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A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

Posted
8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Who's this we you're talking about?

Yeah yeah yeah so you bought a solar panel...pffft. 

My point was Canadians like their money more than they like anything else in the world, we are a nation of takers....wait until the tariffs hit and thousands more start hitting food banks, loose their jobs, and we run into a recession , then some if not all are going to question our decision to puff our chests and call for a fight...

Which is more than what you did, and for a guy that chirps about the environment constantly your failing in your own mission...which is ironic for someone that pretends to be concerned over our environment and a lefty. PPPFFTT

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

Posted
40 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

...wait until the tariffs hit and thousands more start hitting food banks, loose their jobs, and we run into a recession.

We'll be lucky if Trump doesn't trigger a global depression.

42 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Which is more than what you did, and for a guy that chirps about the environment constantly your failing in your own mission...which is ironic for someone that pretends to be concerned over our environment and a lefty. PPPFFTT

Yup, I've only been pretending there might be a chance that we could rationally turn things around. 

I've long since been convinced the only way to cool our planets climate down is to crash our economy.

And Trump's the perfect man for the job at hand. The civilization that rises from the ashes of the interregnum will likey be burning right wingers at the stake for the next thousand years lest they try to rise again too.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

Posted
3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Your saying that Canadians are ready to take a huge hit in the pocket book, to prove a point...sh!t we can't even agree to spend a little on climate change

We've always agreed on war and addressing threats. Except Quebec but not much we can do about that.

Everyone recognizes that this isn't something that we're picking a fight on, this is trump picking a fight with us.

If we cave then we're his biatch forever, if we stand up and fight like we would with anybody who was trying to harm or take over our country then yes it's going to hurt but it's going to hurt them quite a bit too. And that sends a powerful message.

This isn't about proving a point. This is about securing our sovereignty and democracy for the future and I have to say that should be important to every single Canadian.

Do not kid yourself. This is going to hurt America a lot. More than most people would realize. And all of a sudden when those American voters wake up in the morning and their gas is substantially more, they can't get the wood they need to build their homes, there's a shortage of electricity and their workplace is slowing down because of lack of sales they are going to start asking themselves why the hell the USA is picking a fight with Canada and why did trump break his word to bring prices down. 

And the midterms are 15 months away. If the dems win the house and the senate i guarantee they'll conjure SOMETHING to impeach trump over and they'll make it stick if they control both houses with sufficient votes.  

So he has to worry about pissing off the 40 states where canada is their number 1 trading partner, many of whom are (possibly former) red states. 

We're not in as  weak a position as you think

There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data

Posted
2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

How so, what if we did just agreed to fix what broken, create more jobs, and investments, improve our security ... might at most cost a few billion dollars,

So trump gets his way right now by threatening tariffs and you think that'll be the end of it? You think he won't do the same thing in 2 months when it comes time to renegotiate NAFTA? He's already talking about things like our softwood lumber and other trade items that we have negotiated for over the years not to mention our control over our dairy and poultry Industries.

If trump gets his way it will cost us billions and billions of dollars because he will keep coming back to the table and demanding the same thing knowing that we will cave.

The only way to deal with a bully is to punch them as hard as you can in the face. I don't know how you don't understand this simple concept.

There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data

Posted
1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

We've always agreed on war and addressing threats. Except Quebec but not much we can do about that.

Everyone recognizes that this isn't something that we're picking a fight on, this is trump picking a fight with us.

If we cave then we're his biatch forever, if we stand up and fight like we would with anybody who was trying to harm or take over our country then yes it's going to hurt but it's going to hurt them quite a bit too. And that sends a powerful message.

This isn't about proving a point. This is about securing our sovereignty and democracy for the future and I have to say that should be important to every single Canadian.

Do not kid yourself. This is going to hurt America a lot. More than most people would realize. And all of a sudden when those American voters wake up in the morning and their gas is substantially more, they can't get the wood they need to build their homes, there's a shortage of electricity and their workplace is slowing down because of lack of sales they are going to start asking themselves why the hell the USA is picking a fight with Canada and why did trump break his word to bring prices down. 

And the midterms are 15 months away. If the dems win the house and the senate i guarantee they'll conjure SOMETHING to impeach trump over and they'll make it stick if they control both houses with sufficient votes.  

So he has to worry about pissing off the 40 states where canada is their number 1 trading partner, many of whom are (possibly former) red states. 

We're not in as  weak a position as you think

No we have not we don't all agree on addressing threats...Nor war...WWI conscription crises', not just in Quebec...Even in WWII there was plenty of talk about not supporting england...As for threats Quebec separation was a threat, Climate change was a threat, that we are united on, lots of threats....

Yes trump has made threats, he makes them every day....but instead of us asking why and finding a solution , we have decided to pick a fight...instead of talking we are rushing into a fight that we ca not win ever....you may do so damage to the US economy, but he is really going to hurt ours, push us into a recession at the very least...we will lose thousands of jobs Canadians will be the loser here , not trump or justin...regular Canadians like you and me...

He has already said this is phase one, with another phase to start in may once their evaluation of Canada is done, in that phase he will be looking at the complete NAFTA file....Were do think we are going to be by may...what state is our economy going to be in ? ...

He is not worried about pissing off anyone he has threaten a good chunk of the world....his team of advisor must have thought this through and think it is the best course of action to reset America....

We will talk more about this in may, and we will see if our pride is worth the cost...Issues that could have easily been fixed,by accepting our responsibility, issues that we Canadians created, issues we did not even think of fixing by ourselves. I was going to say perhaps now we will take a look at diversifying our exports and who we do business, But we are not that smart this is the third attempt first one was trump 1.0 , then there was a trade dispute with china and both times we came up with a list of things to do to prevent this from happening in the future, now pooofff here we are in the future dealing with the same shit different pile...  

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

Posted
2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So trump gets his way right now by threatening tariffs and you think that'll be the end of it? You think he won't do the same thing in 2 months when it comes time to renegotiate NAFTA? He's already talking about things like our softwood lumber and other trade items that we have negotiated for over the years not to mention our control over our dairy and poultry Industries.

If trump gets his way it will cost us billions and billions of dollars because he will keep coming back to the table and demanding the same thing knowing that we will cave.

The only way to deal with a bully is to punch them as hard as you can in the face. I don't know how you don't understand this simple concept.

He has also said he was not happy with NAFTA...and he is going to fix that...You ( we) already know this becasue of Trump 1.0, we should have been prepared or had a detailed plan before he got elected... 

You don't know that. 

You mean like we handled the Michaels and China, or Russia in Ukraine, Iran, Palestine, or Trump 1.0...did we punch anyone in the face then...NO...but because this is Trump we all of a sudden grow a pair....

I dont agree with picking the fight with a grizzly bear...it's just something you don't do...if a compromise solution is available it is the best option...Call Canada whatever you want, sometimes it is better to live and fight another day....I really hope the next government atleast does something to prevent this in the future, but we are really not that smart as a nation...

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Canadians are going to take a hit in the pocket book regardless. Trump isn't attacking us to make our lives better.

but just retaliating is not enough

you have to do everything possible to mitigate the damage

like Quebec having the same 25% tariff as Trump

on imports to Quebec from the rest of Canada;  is insane

that's not a real country

I mean, the EU is not a country, and they don't have any internal tariffs

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Posted
6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

 

Not to mention Canadians are way to soft to face this kind of event, back in WWII people were hard they knew how to handle adversity,

you don't have to go back further than the 1980's to find Canada facing an economic event like this

during the recession of our youth in 1982

unemployment was 13%, inflation was 11% and the interest rate was 18%

worst recession since the Great Depression

 

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Posted
4 hours ago, eyeball said:

We'll be lucky if Trump doesn't trigger a global depression.

Yup, I've only been pretending there might be a chance that we could rationally turn things around. 

I've long since been convinced the only way to cool our planets climate down is to crash our economy.

And Trump's the perfect man for the job at hand. The civilization that rises from the ashes of the interregnum will likey be burning right wingers at the stake for the next thousand years lest they try to rise again too.

you and most Canadians, but human nature says differently...

You should vist a war zone see what happens when there is nothing but total caus, just look at the 30 's to see what it is you think we need to do to save the planet....

 

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

Posted
52 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

No we have not we don't all agree on addressing threats...Nor war...WWI conscription crises', not just in Quebec..

Mostly in Quebec and all of Canada got behind world war II in the end.

 

53 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Yes trump has made threats, he makes them every day....but instead of us asking why and finding a solution , we have decided to pick a fight.

That is a dishonesty. We haven't picked anything. We haven't imposed any Tariffs or anything at all . And in fact we did take action on his stated concern of the border.

But we said is if he decides to attack us we will retaliate in kind. That is absolutely the correct response

55 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

He has already said this is phase one, with another phase to start in may once their evaluation of Canada is done, in that phase he will be looking at the complete NAFTA file....Were do think we are going to be by may...what state is our economy going to be in ? ...

You mean if we cave to tariffs now and he knows that he can scare us into doing anything? We will be completely underwater and completely under his control. We will have surrendered our economic sovereignty.

Is he paying you or something? Have you no pride is a Canadian?

56 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

We will talk more about this in may, and we will see if our pride is worth the cost

We will see if our freedoms and sovereignty are worth fighting for you mean.

Honestly you are one of the last people I thought would be so quick to roll over and play dead for a threat to our country  

IF we're attacked, we fight.  End of story. 

There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data

Posted
45 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

He has also said he was not happy with NAFTA...and he is going to fix that...You ( we) already know this becasue of Trump 1.0, we should have been prepared or had a detailed plan before he got elected... 

You don't know that. 

You mean like we handled the Michaels and China, or Russia in Ukraine, Iran, Palestine, or Trump 1.0...did we punch anyone in the face then...NO...but because this is Trump we all of a sudden grow a pair....

I dont agree with picking the fight with a grizzly bear...it's just something you don't do...if a compromise solution is available it is the best option...Call Canada whatever you want, sometimes it is better to live and fight another day....I really hope the next government atleast does something to prevent this in the future, but we are really not that smart as a nation...

What we should have done isn't relevant, it doesn't change what we have to do now. To the end of my days I will hate the scumbags who voted liberal and put in the coward who is left us in this position, but this is the position we are in and it doesn't change what has to happen.

And yes I absolutely know that.

As to the Michaels Etc you're right we didn't punch back. And look what happened, china walked all over us, Russia invaded Ukraine, Iran and Palestine are running amok

Your proposed Reenactment of Neville Chamberlain aside, Obviously giving in does not get us anywhere

And nobody cares what you think about grizzly bears. This is a bully. And there is only one way to handle bullies.

Honest to god I cannot believe how spineless you are about this.

No matter what we have to send a clear message that we will absolutely fight back and that if he picks a fight no matter what happens to us he's getting a bloody nose. That is the only rational response

 

And he is a hell of a lot more exposed than you're pretending. Midterms in 15 months and we can drive his inflation through the roof. If the Americans get mad over what he's doing he could find himself impeached very shortly after that if the republicans  lose the house and senate

 

There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data

Posted
4 hours ago, eyeball said:

We'll be lucky if Trump doesn't trigger a global depression.

it is ominously similar to Hawley - Smoot

but there are studies that indicate that people in the Great Depression were happier than people are today

they just weren't as materialistic, they had close knit communities and families, and a much higher trust society

Posted
5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

 and we run into a recession

thing is, the central banks don't even allow corrections into recessions anymore

it's just non stop fiscal & economic stimulus to prevent those events from happening

ever since 2008, it's just massive money printing all the time, totally debt financed economy

there is now four times as much debt as their is economic productivity 

lately Canada has been using mass immigration

the only reason we are not in a recession already, is the immigrants flooding into the economy

 

Posted
59 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

You should vist a war zone see what happens when there is nothing but total caus, just look at the 30 's to see what it is you think we need to do to save the planet....

I mean CRASH crash...more like the Roman Empire...Crash with an interregnum. The number of deaths could easily be in the billions.  This'll be far worse than climate change.

What I think we needed to do is long since far behind us.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

Posted
58 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but there are studies that indicate that people in the Great Depression were happier than people are today

Some people no doubt. The Great Depression were Halcyon Days compared to what's coming.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

Posted
6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The Great Depression were Halcyon Days compared to what's coming.

agreed.  As I've said many times, we are in the midst of a civilizational collapse

but Donald Trump is not the cause, Donald Trump is the result

so is Justin Trudeau

they're stylistically different, but operationally the same

Trudeau provokes and insults and is authoritarian effetely, while Trump is thuggish machismo

and both will come after you if you mess with them

thankfully I've already lived a good life, and I don't have children

Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

.Canadian economy experts have already said this would put Canada into a recession...1 in 4 Canadians are dollars away from going to the food banks, not to mention how many jobs are at stake here...

rest assured, the government is going to be bailing businesses and individuals out

it's not going to be as severe as shutting everything down during COVID

but many billions will spent again

and neither side can actually do what they are threatening to do

America can't replace Canada overnight, Canada can't replace America overnight

so the war is very unlikely to be as big or as long as both sides are posturing

the question is, will this be enough of a scare to incite Canada to get its shit together ?

how much new kit can DND get out of this and how fast ?

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Posted
On 1/30/2025 at 4:24 PM, Army Guy said:

Thats possible if the liberals pull all of this off...but i don't have your confidence with justin or his gang of lair's and thieves... 

Mark Carney is saying he will replace the carbon tax

by imposing carbon tariffs on imports which aren't green enough

he's literally Enviro-Trump

Posted
9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the question is, will this be enough of a scare to incite Canada to get its shit together ?

Compared to America you mean? 🤣

 

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

how much new kit can DND get out of this and how fast ?

Hundreds of billions worth before Poilievre's first term is up if he's even half serious.

To hear some people put it our military, border and law enforcement deficiency crisis makes COVID look like a flu that's only killing old farts.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

Posted
10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Compared to America you mean? 🤣

Trudeau & Ford are announcing that they will use retaliatory tariff money to fund massive COVID style stimulus

Ha !   Same old, same old

Poillievre is screwed

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