Columbia turns back deportation flights

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Thank you for the link, but i did not find ANY thing in that link that said US military could not assist other government departments, IE providing transport or any other assistance other than they were not authorized to conduct Civil law enforcement without authorization from the law...

DO you have proof they were not authorized by law....That being said nobody said they were involved in civilian law enforcement only providing a mode of transportation of unwanted people that were in violation of your laws...

Military assist many government departments all the time, without getting involved in civil law enforcement...We have the same laws up here. And our military provide assistance all the time to civilian governmental agencies.... 

Transporting prisoners is clearly spelled out as illegal due to "participating in civilian law enforcement "   

[herbie]

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but i did not find ANY thing in that link that said US military could not assist other government departments

and you won't find anything anywhere that says the US can enforce it's policies in other sovereign countries either.

FOAD Donnie Diaper, FOAD

[User]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Transporting prisoners is clearly spelled out as illegal due to "participating in civilian law enforcement "   

How are you this dumb?

Guess what Trump did? He declared a national emergency. 

In the link you provided: "except when expressly authorized by law."

 

[User]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

and you won't find anything anywhere that says the US can enforce it's policies in other sovereign countries either.

We are not. 

Do you have any other irrelevant and useless commentary you want to add?

 

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

and you won't find anything anywhere that says the US can enforce it's policies in other sovereign countries either.

FOAD Donnie Diaper, FOAD

I don't know that the transportation of deport cheese would be considered participation in law enforcement. Especially not outside of the united states where police would not have jurisdiction. It would seem to be more along the lines of simply moving cargo.

I think that they absolutely should have cleared this with columbia before they sent them down there rather than just telling them they were on their way but I don't think there's anything illegal about using military aircraft to do so

[User]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I think that they absolutely should have cleared this with columbia before they sent them down there rather than just telling them they were on their way but I don't think there's anything illegal about using military aircraft to do so

This was cleared beforehand. 

Trump did not just blindly send aircraft down to Colombia hoping they would let them land at last minutes notice as they were on approach. 

It was the Colombian President who decided to turn them back AFTER this was already agreed to. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, User said:

This was cleared beforehand. 

 

That does not appear to be the case. You keep saying that but frankly there's no evidence of it that I can see. And if it was and they were expecting the flight why would they turn it back.

 

[User]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

That does not appear to be the case. You keep saying that but frankly there's no evidence of it that I can see. And if it was and they were expecting the flight why would they turn it back.

 

Sigh...

Yes, it was the case. 

The NYT wrote a lengthy article explaining this timeline. These deportations flights are not new, they have been going on for years. Trump didn't just start flying people down to countries like Colombia without saying anything. 

What happened is that Trump did start using military aircraft and a flight going to Brazil had some issues before these ones where they were all upset down in Brazil because the put people in handcuffs and cried about it all being a human rights violation that how dare their people be treated like criminals. 

The Colombian President seen that, then said no to the planes landing as they were already in flight on the way. 

You want to play this dumb evidence game, fine, what evidence were you basing your claim on that Trump did not have any authorization before the flights left?

 

[User]

"“The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants like criminals,” he said, announcing that he was withdrawing authorization for U.S. military planes to land in Colombia."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/27/world/americas/colombia-trump-deportation-flights-migrants.html

You see, they had the authorization BEFORE and it was revoked AFTER by the Colombian President. 

 

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Transporting prisoners is clearly spelled out as illegal due to "participating in civilian law enforcement "   

Could you provide a source that states that using military aircraft to transport people back to their countries or origin is illegal....because the last one did not state that.

14 hours ago, herbie said:

and you won't find anything anywhere that says the US can enforce it's policies in other sovereign countries either.

FOAD Donnie Diaper, FOAD

which policies are you going on about....

[User]

Just now, Army Guy said:

Could you provide a source that states that using military aircraft to transport people back to their countries or origin is illegal....because the last one did not state that.

The stupid part is that if you read into the case law on this, these things are spelled out that the military can be used in tangent functions to support civilian law enforcement. It is the actual "enforcement" where the lines start to get very clear. 

Military setting up a command center for LE use = OK
Military setting up logistics, supplies, food, etc... to supply LE = OK
Military advisors riding along with LE to provide intelligence, help gather intelligence, etc... = OK
Military lining up with guns with the breach team to go in on American in their home to effect an arrest = NOT OK

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, User said:

Sigh...

Yes, it was the case. 

The NYT wrote a lengthy article explaining this timeline. These deportations flights are not new, they have been going on for years. Trump didn't just start flying people down to countries like Colombia without saying anything. 

What happened is that Trump did start using military aircraft and a flight going to Brazil had some issues before these ones where they were all upset down in Brazil because the put people in handcuffs and cried about it all being a human rights violation that how dare their people be treated like criminals. 

The Colombian President seen that, then said no to the planes landing as they were already in flight on the way. 

You want to play this dumb evidence game, fine, what evidence were you basing your claim on that Trump did not have any authorization before the flights left?

 

So in other words you have no evidence that this was cleared before the flight left with the authorities. All you're saying is they filed a flight plan.

And you have no evidence to back up your claim. And you're demanding that I provide evidence to prove that your claim isn't accurate even though you can't provide evidence that your claim was.

Well there you go.

[User]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So in other words you have no evidence that this was cleared before the flight left with the authorities. All you're saying is they filed a flight plan.

And you have no evidence to back up your claim. And you're demanding that I provide evidence to prove that your claim isn't accurate even though you can't provide evidence that your claim was.

Well there you go.

Try again, I posted my link to the NYT. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, User said:

Try again, I posted my link to the NYT. 

 

two things 

You posted it AFTER my reply. 

And 

It proves you were not telling the truth. 

It's quite clear in there that the president of columbia and his administration had NOT been informed that military flights would be carrying prisoners. 

And no where at all does it mention that THIS flight had been properly agreed upon in advance. 

Which means you are 100 percent wrong. This had NOT been cleared with the authorities in Columbia. They found out about it when the us filed the flight plan obviously, and not before. 

They say in the article that NOW there are proper protocols in place for the us to follow so misunderstandings like this don't happen again. Meaning there wasn't before hand and the us didn't alert them.

Hey. It's bad enough that you didn't post evidence to begin with, but posting proof you were wrong is something we usually only see from the lefties here. Be smarter than the lefties  

[User]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

two things 

You posted it AFTER my reply. 

And 

It proves you were not telling the truth. 

It's quite clear in there that the president of columbia and his administration had NOT been informed that military flights would be carrying prisoners. Literally in the article it says:

And no where at all does it mention that THIS flight had been properly agreed upon in advance. 

Which means you are 100 percent wrong. This had NOT been cleared with the authorities in Columbia. They found out about it when the us filed the flight plan obviously, and not before. 

They say in the article that NOW there are proper protocols in place for the us to follow so misunderstandings like this don't happen again. Meaning there wasn't before hand and the us didn't alert them.

Hey. It's bad enough that you didn't post evidence to begin with, but posting proof you were wrong is something we usually only see from the lefties here. Be smarter than the lefties  

First, I posted it before your reply. 

Second, it proves exactly what I said, that these flights had been approved before. 

Third, you are moving the goal posts to specifically challenge their being military approved, which they were:

""“The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants like criminals,” he said, announcing that he was withdrawing authorization for U.S. military planes to land in Colombia."

Not only am I not 100% wrong, you are so pathetically unable to admit you are full of shit and have nothing to back up your claim. 

 

Edited January 28 by User

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Could you provide a source that states that using military aircraft to transport people back to their countries or origin is illegal....because the last one did not state that.

which policies are you going on about....

You believe providing the transport is NOT "participating" ? That is the PRIMARY FUNCTION of deportation. 

The law is very clear.

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, User said:

First, I posted it before your reply. 

 

I see it appearing after my reply

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Second, it proves exactly what I said, that these flights had been approved before. 

It does no such thing. As mentioned it specifically states that the president and his people had no idea that military transports were now allowed to be used for this kind of activity. It notes that that was a change under trump

 

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Third, you are moving the goal posts to specifically challenge their being military approved, which they were:

No you misunderstand. I never made that argument. What I said was that the government of Columbia was unaware that the rules had changed to allow military cargo planes to be used in this fashion. Which kind of proves that they hadn't discussed it with them before doing it.

It's paintedly obvious that they didn't and even your own sources dispute what you're saying. Maybe they didn't think they needed to but it's quite obvious that they didn't in any case. And it's obvious that the government of Columbia had some concerns about what was happening which was a surprise to him.

This is why I said they should have worked it out before they went and made sure everybody was on the same page rather than just filing a flight plan.

According to the article they have now put protocols in place to make sure that kind of mistake doesn't happen again, and part of the deal was that do you ask guaranteed good treatment of the deportees. If they had done this to begin with there wouldn't have been a problem.

You're really going nowhere with this. It is painfully obvious that the US did not clear this with the government of Columbia before proceeding and that created this conflict. They have corrected that problem which is great and now the crisis is over. But pretending that this had all been worked out beforehand when it very clearly was not makes no sense

[User]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I see it appearing after my reply....

Enough of your dumb games.

Before:

 

After:

As to the rest of your nonsense, here is the quote you keep ignoring, now where is your evidence?

""“The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants like criminals,” he said, announcing that he was withdrawing authorization for U.S. military planes to land in Colombia."

[gatomontes99]

10 minutes ago, User said:

Enough of your dumb games.

Before:

 

After:

As to the rest of your nonsense, here is the quote you keep ignoring, now where is your evidence?

""“The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants like criminals,” he said, announcing that he was withdrawing authorization for U.S. military planes to land in Colombia."

Fify withdrawing was the key word.

Edited January 29 by gatomontes99

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, User said:

Enough of your dumb games.

Before:

 

After:

As to the rest of your nonsense, here is the quote you keep ignoring, now where is your evidence?

""“The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants like criminals,” he said, announcing that he was withdrawing authorization for U.S. military planes to land in Colombia."

Hey stupid.  He withdrew authorization for all us military planes. That does not say this specific flight had been cleared ahead of time. 

That does NOT mean they had cleared this flight of deportees prior to them being loaded on a plane and shipped. 

Show me ANYWHERE that says the us had previously advised the Columbians that a flight of deportees would be sent by military aircraft to columbia. 

Everything you're showing says the columbians didn't know  this one was coming. They banned ALL flights. They did NOT KNOW the us was now using military flights because trump just changed that.  NOTHING you are posting talks about the us clearing this flight ahead of time. 

God damn you're stupid.  Your own quotes are proving you are wrong.  IF you're done with your self colonoscopy exam get your head back out and start using it. 

[User]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Hey stupid.  He withdrew authorization for all us military planes. That does not say this specific flight had been cleared ahead of time. 

Wow, you really are incapable of just admitting you were wrong. 

If he withdrew the authorization that led to them turning around and not landing... that means there was authorization before hand. 

Stop being such a dishonest person. 

Also... I notice you have yet to back up your claims. Where is the proof or evidence you have?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, User said:

Wow, you really are incapable of just admitting you were wrong. 

 

So in other words you just realized i'm right and you're big mad about it. 

3 hours ago, User said:

If he withdrew the authorization that led to them turning around and not landing... that means there was authorization before hand

read it again stupid.  Military aircraft are always allowed to land in columbia.  Canada has the same deal with the us. You just require a flight plan. For many countries you can't land a military aircraft without diplomatic activity first ever. 

It literally means they didn't need to ask permission first by law.  So it's the opposite of what you're suggesting for this specific flight. They didn't seek prior permission because they didn't normally need it. 

However that has NOTHING to do with authorizing a specific flight carrying columbian citizens for repatriaton.   At all. This was clearly not authorized before hand. The columbians specifically stated they did NOT know that us policy had changed under trump to allow this. It says so right in your article. 

So they didn't arrange it, they didn't get clearance in advance, they filed a flight plan as they're taking off and the columbians said "what do you MEAN you're hauling our people around like cattle, forget it". 

Because the us did not bother to advise and clear it before hand.. 

Which they have NOW AGREED TO DO moving forward. 

What was that about not being capable of admitting you're wrong? Holy shit kid. 

Edited January 29 by CdnFox

[User]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So in other words you just realized i'm right and you're big mad about it. 

Since you want to ignore this:

""“The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants like criminals,” he said, announcing that he was withdrawing authorization for U.S. military planes to land in Colombia."

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Military aircraft are always allowed to land in columbia. 

You have to be the most obstinate pathological liar on this forum, and that is saying a lot when we have folks like Black Dog, Robo, and others on here. 

If military aircraft are always allowed... then your entire argument here is wrong and I am right. 

Again, where is your evidence these flights were not authorized?

 

 

Edited January 29 by User

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, User said:

Since you want to ignore this:

""“The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants like criminals,” he said, announcing that he was withdrawing authorization for U.S. military planes to land in Colombia."

 

Where does that say they cleared the flight beforehand? 

Highlight that part.  Can't find it? Me either. 

You're a retarded ape. 

Edited January 29 by CdnFox

[User]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Where does that say they cleared the flight beforehand? 

You can't be this dumb or dishonest. You can't. 

If he withdrew authorization, there had to be authorization to withdraw. 

Stop being whatever you are. Get some integrity. 

Also... you still have yet to provide the evidence you have to back up your assertion there was no authorization.