The US population will start declining in the next 10-20 years. What should the US be doing to prepare for this?

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, User said:

1. I am just pointing out that there is just as much an effort to push the normalization of drag queens into society as there is to oppose it. 

2. In fact, the point is that the culture war to oppose this started in response to those pushing it. 

1. I am not sure but I wouldn't argue against your point here either.  I think any culture war issue splits down the middle 50/50 as you say.

2. I think it's called 'resistance', yes.  But to define what is 'natural' is a tough go. 

I just tried to think of some cultural things that are 'natural' vs 'unnatural' but with every one, I came up with counter arguments that disproved the example.

Murder ?  Natural ?  It took collectives to create common law to forbid it.  So there's an example we could discuss and change sides on over and over again.  I find the so-called dawn of civilization from 10000 BCE to, say, 3000 BCE intriguing because these are the people who set up large/mass societies with no template.  In a way, anything they invented, any social convention, is not 'natural' but only an adaptive response to people collecting in large groups.


So if people adopt a cultural practice, what are the dominant forces that cause the practice to be adopted, possibly tolerated, or rejected ?  Maybe some example of failed social trends would suffice.

I'm thinking out loud, or in writing here.... not arguing.  There's only opinion to be put out on a lot of this stuff.

 

 

 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

why were we there? My wife is fairly liberal and feels that our kids should see these folks as people.. no more and no less. 

Ah, there's the rub. 

If you don't teach kids irrational hatred when they are young, how are they ever gonna learn it. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Ah, there's the rub. 

If you don't teach kids irrational hatred when they are young, how are they ever gonna learn it. 

You don't need to take kids to see often scantly clad grown-ass men pretending to be women dressing as clown hookers read to them in order for them to understand that they are still people... 

Why, it is almost like you guys just want to push this garbage on kids to normalize the behavior and help these men get their jollies and validation off kids. 

[Matthew]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

People are free to pursue their life goals, and given the culture of convenience, consumerism, hedonism, or - more generously - self actualization... having kids is not a life goal.

User's obvious transgender fetish notwithstanding, most of this is not about hedonism.

A. The people with the wherewithal to actually form relationships and plan their life and get decent jobs etc are often waiting until they are settled into those jobs to start having kids and that's basically too late. It often means just one or maybe two kids before the woman gets too old.

B. Then you have the large numbers of society who just aren't baby making material in one way or another. They aren't in relationships but want to be, they aren't in relationships but aren't even looking, they are in relationships but don't want kids. Some of group B here will end up having kids anyway.

Neither of these groups is a recipe for a sustainable population.

[A Freeman]

On 1/29/2025 at 10:16 PM, Matthew said:

Hi Freeman, welcome! If the info you found is accurate that's quite a leap from other predictions that have long been forcasting that the tipping point won't happen until after 2100 (such as the current census bereau data published in 2023). But I agree that the conditions leading toward this population decline are accelerating and I wouldn't be shocked if the decline becomes so rapid that it emerges as a major policy concern.

Hello back Matthew. Thanks for your reply.

 

The forecast in the Deagel report seems interesting given the correlation between vaccination rates in the wake of the magic virus scam and projected population declines, particularly the declines in the G7 countries. And, with the present situation in both Ukraine and the counterfeit-Jewish state of Israel preparing the world for a direct conflict between the East (led by Russia and China) and the West (led by the U.S. and U.K.) in our immediate future, this seemingly far-fetched prediction may be closer to reality than most think.

 

As for this predicted population decline becoming a major policy concern, it likely will be much worse than that given the fact the U.S. and U.K. would be outgunned and outmanned in the war against Russia and China that the West seems so desperate to start.

 

 

[impartialobserver]

On 1/30/2025 at 11:36 AM, Hodad said:

Ah, there's the rub. 

If you don't teach kids irrational hatred when they are young, how are they ever gonna learn it. 

Ahh.. but according to some those kids are being scarred for life, molested, etc. Well.. my kids were falling asleep. That really meets the threshold for being scarred for life. 

[User]

On 1/30/2025 at 4:46 PM, Matthew said:

User's obvious transgender fetish notwithstanding, most of this is not about hedonism.

First, the discussion here was about drag queens, not transgenders. 

Second, as have repeatedly called out @impartialobserver for... he was the one who brought it up. 

[Matthew]

On 1/31/2025 at 4:07 PM, A Freeman said:

it likely will be much worse than that given the fact the U.S. and U.K. would be outgunned and outmanned in the war against Russia and China that the West seems so desperate to start.

Russia's population is in a far more dire crisis and has seen two periods of sharp decline.

And it seems to me that it is Russia starting unprovoked invasions over the past 20 years under Putin, not the West.

20 hours ago, User said:

First, the discussion here was about drag queens, not transgenders. 

Yeah, we all know what you're into.

[User]

22 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Yeah, we all know what you're into.

Were you not complaining the other day about posting quality on here?

Be better. 

 

[Matthew]

2 hours ago, User said:

Were you not complaining the other day about posting quality on here?

Im not the one hijacking a thread with many off topic rants about drag queens, which suggests you have more than a passing interest in men dressed as women.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Im not the one hijacking a thread with many off topic rants about drag queens, which suggests you have more than a passing interest in men dressed as women.

You are now.

[User]

42 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Im not the one hijacking a thread with many off topic rants about drag queens, which suggests you have more than a passing interest in men dressed as women.

Holy shit. I already pointed this out to you. I was not the one who brought up drag queens. 
 

Do I need to hire a guy dressed like a big purple dinosaur to sing and dance it out before you grasp that? 

[A Freeman]

9 hours ago, Matthew said:

Russia's population is in a far more dire crisis and has seen two periods of sharp decline.

And it seems to me that it is Russia starting unprovoked invasions over the past 20 years under Putin, not the West.

"Unprovoked invasions"? The U.S. staged a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and proceeded to arm and build up the Ukrainian military for the next 8 years to until it dwarfed every other military power in Europe.

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/reports/us-foreign-policy-the-ukrainian-factor/

The Russian-speaking people of the Donbass region, who were being terrorized and murdered en masse by the U.S. funded and armed neo-Nazi Ukrainian military cried to Moscow for eight years for assistance before the Russian SMO commenced.

 

Only if someone were to ignore the overt meddling by Victoria Nuland and company in Ukraine, and the countless millions the Bidens laundered through that country in the process, could they arrive at the erroneous conclusion that the Russians invaded Ukraine unprovoked. The build-up of armed forces in Ukraine was failed U.S. foreign policy and regime change hard at work, with the intention of using those forces as a proxy battering ram against Russia.

 

If the Russians were to have done the same in a neighboring North or Central American country as the U.S. has done in Ukraine, we would be in the midst of the second Cuban missile crisis instead of throwing "special advisors" and billions in military hardware at Russia's closest neighbor, which just happens to be both the breadbasket and natural gas pipeline to Europe.

 

The U.S. cannot win a war against Russia, much less against Russia and China, and that's exactly what we're facing in the immediate future because of this suicidal foreign policy, regardless of which figurehead politician happens to be at the wheel of the U.S. government.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, A Freeman said:

"Unprovoked invasions"? The U.S. staged a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and proceeded to arm and build up the Ukrainian military for the next 8 years to until it dwarfed every other military power in Europe.

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/reports/us-foreign-policy-the-ukrainian-factor/

The Russian-speaking people of the Donbass region, who were being terrorized and murdered en masse by the U.S. funded and armed neo-Nazi Ukrainian military cried to Moscow for eight years for assistance before the Russian SMO commenced.

 

Only if someone were to ignore the overt meddling by Victoria Nuland and company in Ukraine, and the countless millions the Bidens laundered through that country in the process, could they arrive at the erroneous conclusion that the Russians invaded Ukraine unprovoked. The build-up of armed forces in Ukraine was failed U.S. foreign policy and regime change hard at work, with the intention of using those forces as a proxy battering ram against Russia.

 

If the Russians were to have done the same in a neighboring North or Central American country as the U.S. has done in Ukraine, we would be in the midst of the second Cuban missile crisis instead of throwing "special advisors" and billions in military hardware at Russia's closest neighbor, which just happens to be both the breadbasket and natural gas pipeline to Europe.

 

The U.S. cannot win a war against Russia, much less against Russia and China, and that's exactly what we're facing in the immediate future because of this suicidal foreign policy, regardless of which figurehead politician happens to be at the wheel of the U.S. government.

Very astute. I would propose a twist to your end game though.

What would happen if the USA developed an alliance with Russia?

[A Freeman]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Very astute. I would propose a twist to your end game though.

What would happen if the USA developed an alliance with Russia?

It would be great if such an alliance could happen, but it is highly improbable, if not impossible for that to happen for several reasons:

 

1) The U.S. has a track-record of breaking its agreements with other countries. So much so that Russian officials have openly commented that Russia will not enter into negotiations with the U.S. because it's pointless to do so.

 

2) The U.S. views China as its greatest threat, both economically and militarily, so much so that they've driven the Chinese to seek alliances with Russia, which have greatly benefited both countries. Russia and China have also been conducting joint military exercises every year since August 2005, in anticipation of an eventual, if not inevitable direct conflict with the U.S., which they see from the build up of NATO bases on the borders of both countries. This makes any alliance between the U.S. and Russia even less likely, as it would need to be a package deal with China.

 

3) If it isn't self-evident by now, the U.S. is a vassal state of the counterfeit-Jewish state of Israel. The undeniable influence of AIPAC on both sides of the aisle, and a $36 trillion (which is probably closer to £300+ trillion when unfunded liabilities are included) national debt to the international banking cartel should leave no doubt this is the case. So it doesn't matter whether it's Trump or Biden, the U.S. government is beholden to its Israeli/Ashkenazi/counterfeit-Jewish paymasters, and will do whatever is takes to "Make (FAKE) Israel Great Again".

Most may not know that Ukraine is part of the former Khazarian empire, and thus is viewed by many "Jews" as their Khazarian/Ashkenazi motherland, with the land in the Middle East that they stole through the Rothschild sponsored and co-authored Balfour Declaration being a front to keep the illusion going that they are allegedly descendants of the Biblical Jews, which they very obviously are not. That is the overriding factor in both the war in Ukraine and in the Middle East (in Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq and in Syria), and yet another reason why there won't be an alliance between the East and the West.

 

4) The West and its financial system are being systematically destroyed to make the transition between the East and its financial system (BRICS), because the Chinese model of total surveillance and social credit ratings to gain access to state benefits has been chosen to succeed U.S. hegemony. Obviously Russia and China are the R and the C in "BRICS", which make an alliance between the U.S. (and U.K.) and Russia (and China) impossible if the goal is to destroy the western financial system in favor of the eastern.

 

It's understood this is a lengthy post to the twist you've proposed, but the situation in the U.S. is much worse than most have considered, or are even willing to consider.

[User]

5 hours ago, A Freeman said:

"Unprovoked invasions"? The U.S. staged a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and proceeded to arm and build up the Ukrainian military for the next 8 years to until it dwarfed every other military power in Europe.

This is an outright lie. The US did not stage a coup and Russia proceeded to take Crimea and start a shadow war in the Donbas... so yeah, NATO helped equip Ukraine so that Russia would not continue to piece away at them. 

 

[Nationalist]

42 minutes ago, A Freeman said:

It would be great if such an alliance could happen, but it is highly improbable, if not impossible for that to happen for several reasons:

 

1) The U.S. has a track-record of breaking its agreements with other countries. So much so that Russian officials have openly commented that Russia will not enter into negotiations with the U.S. because it's pointless to do so.

 

2) The U.S. views China as its greatest threat, both economically and militarily, so much so that they've driven the Chinese to seek alliances with Russia, which have greatly benefited both countries. Russia and China have also been conducting joint military exercises every year since August 2005, in anticipation of an eventual, if not inevitable direct conflict with the U.S., which they see from the build up of NATO bases on the borders of both countries. This makes any alliance between the U.S. and Russia even less likely, as it would need to be a package deal with China.

 

3) If it isn't self-evident by now, the U.S. is a vassal state of the counterfeit-Jewish state of Israel. The undeniable influence of AIPAC on both sides of the aisle, and a $36 trillion (which is probably closer to £300+ trillion when unfunded liabilities are included) national debt to the international banking cartel should leave no doubt this is the case. So it doesn't matter whether it's Trump or Biden, the U.S. government is beholden to its Israeli/Ashkenazi/counterfeit-Jewish paymasters, and will do whatever is takes to "Make (FAKE) Israel Great Again".

Most may not know that Ukraine is part of the former Khazarian empire, and thus is viewed by many "Jews" as their Khazarian/Ashkenazi motherland, with the land in the Middle East that they stole through the Rothschild sponsored and co-authored Balfour Declaration being a front to keep the illusion going that they are allegedly descendants of the Biblical Jews, which they very obviously are not. That is the overriding factor in both the war in Ukraine and in the Middle East (in Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq and in Syria), and yet another reason why there won't be an alliance between the East and the West.

 

4) The West and its financial system are being systematically destroyed to make the transition between the East and its financial system (BRICS), because the Chinese model of total surveillance and social credit ratings to gain access to state benefits has been chosen to succeed U.S. hegemony. Obviously Russia and China are the R and the C in "BRICS", which make an alliance between the U.S. (and U.K.) and Russia (and China) impossible if the goal is to destroy the western financial system in favor of the eastern.

 

It's understood this is a lengthy post to the twist you've proposed, but the situation in the U.S. is much worse than most have considered, or are even willing to consider.

Ahhh...someone who knows the story. Good on ya. Yes, the Ashkenazi have been a bit of a thorn in the side of humanity for multiple millenia now. And no, I'm not a huge fan of Zionism. But Isreal exists now and there's not a lot anyone can do about that. It would take a complete failure of the USD and a replacement with the BRICS financial system, to come between Israel and the USA. I'm not sure how or even if that would affect the general population but if it comes with more migration from failed nations to my nation...

I'm afraid I'll have to object.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, A Freeman said:

"Unprovoked invasions"? The U.S. staged a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and proceeded to arm and build up the Ukrainian military for the next 8 years to until it dwarfed every other military power in Europe.

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/reports/us-foreign-policy-the-ukrainian-factor/

The Russian-speaking people of the Donbass region, who were being terrorized and murdered en masse by the U.S. funded and armed neo-Nazi Ukrainian military cried to Moscow for eight years for assistance before the Russian SMO commenced.

 

Only if someone were to ignore the overt meddling by Victoria Nuland and company in Ukraine, and the countless millions the Bidens laundered through that country in the process, could they arrive at the erroneous conclusion that the Russians invaded Ukraine unprovoked. The build-up of armed forces in Ukraine was failed U.S. foreign policy and regime change hard at work, with the intention of using those forces as a proxy battering ram against Russia.

 

If the Russians were to have done the same in a neighboring North or Central American country as the U.S. has done in Ukraine, we would be in the midst of the second Cuban missile crisis instead of throwing "special advisors" and billions in military hardware at Russia's closest neighbor, which just happens to be both the breadbasket and natural gas pipeline to Europe.

 

The U.S. cannot win a war against Russia, much less against Russia and China, and that's exactly what we're facing in the immediate future because of this suicidal foreign policy, regardless of which figurehead politician happens to be at the wheel of the U.S. government.

Sorry but almost every fact you mentioned there is either entirely wrong or grossly misleading. 

The ukrainians did NOT have 500k men in their army. At the start of the conflict for example they had 196,600 active military personel and they were very poorly trained. Russia had about 1.5 million and they were better trained, plus almost another million in reservists. 

They did not have thousands of actual tanks. They had less than a thousand functional tanks left over from when the Russians ran the place, so most of them were 1960's varians like the t72 which simply cannot stand up to modern warfare. 

And so on. And they didn't get them from the us.  And the airforce was a joke. 

Oriignally all of europe and america thought the russians would win in a week.  this is what you're calling the most powerful military in europe? 

The US could easily win a conventional war against china and russia and at this point russia is so depleated they don't even count. Their navy is old and they've lost many ships, their air force is badly hurt and they can't make replacements, they have almost no modern tanks left, they have no men left, they're a shell. 

China is better armed but still lacks the technology to make the size of their military mean anything. 

[NAME REMOVED]

On 1/28/2025 at 11:39 AM, impartialobserver said:

Some states are growing... Idaho, Utah, Nevada, and Montana being the best examples. Wyoming, Alabama, Alaska, West Virginia, and Mississippi are already not all that populated and are either low growth or declining. Basically kicking them while they are down. These are states that have the double whammy of low birth rates and low in-migration (even if you take undocumented immigrants) into account. 

 

From this map, it appears the rust belt states are stagnant in growth. As I expected Texas, Florida, the Carolinas, Idaho, Arizona, Nevada, and Utah are all gaining population faster than average.  New York, Illinois, and California are inn decline. 

Edited February 2 by DUI_Offender

[A Freeman]

46 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ahhh...someone who knows the story. Good on ya. Yes, the Ashkenazi have been a bit of a thorn in the side of humanity for multiple millenia now. And no, I'm not a huge fan of Zionism. But Isreal exists now and there's not a lot anyone can do about that. It would take a complete failure of the USD and a replacement with the BRICS financial system, to come between Israel and the USA. I'm not sure how or even if that would affect the general population but if it comes with more migration from failed nations to my nation...

I'm afraid I'll have to object.

The "migration" issue is a euphemism for a planned invasion, which is exactly what it really is.

 

It is karmic though, because of all of the wars that the U.S. and U.K. have started over the years to hold on to or expand their empires.

[Matthew]

14 hours ago, User said:

I was not the one who brought up drag queens. 

You were the one so easily baited by his very minor passing comment. Being THAT easily triggered by someone mentioning "drag queens" suggests a level of insecurity about that topic.

[Matthew]

8 hours ago, A Freeman said:

The U.S. staged a coup in Ukraine in 2014

The US backed a widespread pro-Western protest movement against the Russian puppet Yanukovych after he tanked their parliament's EU-Ukraine treaty. The Ukrainian parliament formally removed him from office. Certainly an opportinistic move by Western powers but you're falsely characterizing it as a coup disconnected from Russian actions and policy.

8 hours ago, A Freeman said:

and proceeded to arm and build up the Ukrainian military for the next 8 years to until it dwarfed every other military power in Europe.

You left out the part where Russia was invading and annexing Crimea in 2014 during this time.

Also, side point: I'm intigued by your source of information being the Gibralter Messenger-- which appears to be some guys amatuer collection of news, prophecy, and conspiracy theory? Doesn't mean it's wrong but not many would find it credible.

8 hours ago, A Freeman said:

If the Russians were to have done the same in a neighboring North or Central American country as the U.S. has done in Ukraine

Suppose Mexico became a Russian puppet and was being militarized by Russia. Would this situation be a provocation for the US to legitimately invade Mexico with its military, annex its territory, and displace the local population of certain regions with native English speakers?

Edited February 2 by Matthew

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

You were the one so easily baited by his very minor passing comment. Being THAT easily triggered by someone mentioning "drag queens" suggests a level of insecurity about that topic.

People laughing at you is not the same as them being triggered

[Matthew]

4 hours ago, A Freeman said:

the U.S. is a vassal state of the counterfeit-Jewish state of Israel.

Deliberate over-simplification of a complex policy that policy-makers support (and don't support) for a host of reasons, none of which includes an oath of fealty.

4 hours ago, A Freeman said:

a $36 trillion ...national debt to the international banking cartel

Ugh so this is just the old Jewish banking conspiracy theory? Next you're going to mention the Rothchilds, the Federal Reserve, and the Illuminati?

80% of the US national debt is held by the public--US and foreign investors from all over the world.

4 hours ago, A Freeman said:

the former Khazarian empire, and thus is viewed by many "Jews" as their Khazarian/Ashkenazi motherland

Where do you get this? The Khazarians are Turkic peoples of which there are many connections in Central asia and adjacent regions. Some of these Khazarians in present-day Ukraine converted to Judaisim in the early middle ages and later were influenced by medieval diasporic Jewish practices from Germany. These medieval German Jews were associated with Ashkenazi, though originally as just a place name and not an actual ethic group or separate religious rite.

4 hours ago, A Freeman said:

the illusion going that they are allegedly descendants of the Biblical Jews, which they very obviously are not

That's not very obvious. I would agree that the modern nation state of Israel has no connection to anything in the Bible, but thanks to DNA there isn't any debate that Ashkenazi Jews originated from the Middle East, though there apparently is debate among genetics experts on whether that middle east genetic connection is just from the male line or from both male and female lines.

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

People laughing at you is not the same as them being triggered

I wasnt part of the conversation.  It was User vs Impartialovserver. But thanks for confirming you like to just make things up.

[CdnFox]

You  - 

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

 

I wasnt part of the conversation.  It was User vs Impartialovserver. But thanks for confirming you like to just make things up.

Sure you were

you:

User's obvious transgender fetish notwithstanding, most of this is not about hedonism.

And later

Yeah, we all know what you're into.

etc etc

You made several posts to him and others about it. 

THEN commented on his being triggered. 

But thanks for confirming that you frequently lie about what you've said in the past when you get called on it.  But honestly we already knew