myata Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 What does it mean, America? The meaning, of the silence? You don't need, have no respect and value for the allies? Democrats, how does it feel on that faraway remote trail? Still no connection, to the reality? No honor, no honesty and no integrity left, to scramble? If so, it'll come back much quicker than you want to believe. These tests can failed only to bad, painful and terrible discoveries. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 A budding dictator is testing the grounds. Who will stay mum, look the other way and follow the "process" and who will fold outright. No dumb naive here. Everyone knew everything. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Deluge Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, myata said: What does it mean, America? The meaning, of the silence? You don't need, have no respect and value for the allies? Democrats, how does it feel on that faraway remote trail? Still no connection, to the reality? No honor, no honesty and no integrity left, to scramble? If so, it'll come back much quicker than you want to believe. These tests can failed only to bad, painful and terrible discoveries. He's trying to wake those people up. Do you want the West to continue decaying with the woke pathogen, or do you want a strong and vibrant West? I want the latter, and so most Americans. Quote
myata Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 (edited) Brainless will only defend the madness, that's a given. Anyone else left, with a voice, in the whole of America? That's what we - the world, will get to see, now. Edited January 25 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Deluge Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, myata said: Brainless will only defend the madness, that's a given. Anyone else left, with a voice, in the whole of America? That's what we - the world, will get to see, now. There is no madness in what Trump's doing - he's strengthening our position. Perverts like you are weak, and you're already longing for the days of DEI infection and mass illegal immigration. Quote
myata Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 Is anyone left standing with a voice, in the United States of Liberty, formerly? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Deluge Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 Just now, myata said: Is anyone left standing with a voice, in the United States of Liberty, formerly? You mean regained liberty, presently. It's glorious ins't it? Quote
myata Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 Is anyone still standing for what is right, in America? It's now that it's being determined. Would be difficult, very to explain that silence. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Army Guy Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 I think the US has long ago been frustrated with paying for everything, and Trump is a businessman and the business case makes no sense, and he is telling everyone the free ride is over...time to man the F8ck up and start paying your share.... Canada is the perfect example of this...taking full advantage of the US generosity.... I don't think your going to find much sympathy south of the border as it is their tax dollars Canada has been taking advantage of.... I'd hang on to something the ride is just begun... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
myata Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 43 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I think the US has long ago been frustrated with paying for everything, and Trump is a businessman and the business case makes no sense, and he is telling everyone the free ride is over...time to man the F8ck up and start paying your share.... Canada is the perfect example of this...taking full advantage of the US generosity.... Are you trying to excuse it? This was your thing but I think we'll take a better care of it so just too bad for you? We're talking here about threats to a NATO ally a founding member and you thought what? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 I don't understand why Democrats seem to be shrugging it off like some silly joke? Is playing the game more important to them than defending the principles at this watershed moment when a budding dictator is testing the grounds for future transgression? Are they so deep into it that couldn't wake up no matter what and will be sleepwalking all the way to the disaster? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Army Guy Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 (edited) 37 minutes ago, myata said: Are you trying to excuse it? This was your thing but I think we'll take a better care of it so just too bad for you? We're talking here about threats to a NATO ally a founding member and you thought what? Does it sound like i was making excuses ? or are you telling me that Canada is taking it's global responsibilities seriously and trump's demands are not valid at all.... Canada created this problem by cheaping out on its entire security apparatus, which has been recognized by the US and our NATO allieds for decades they have politely asked us to solve those issues...to which Canada has ignored, or refused to take any action on these files....now that we we are being told , fix it or face tariffs your pissed...why? Yes Canada is a NATO member, barely, Justin signed an agreement to meet 2 % of GDP by 2024, he got home and said he had no intention of meeting that goal ever.....I asked myself why go to NATO HQ sign documents that agreed to make the 2 % mark then come home and say Screw that....why not refuse to sign the paperwork...Basically we told nato TO SCREW OFF long ago, now is not the time to then hide behind we are a founding member of NATO, when we can't even make the basic requirements of membership that WE help establish....your talking from both sides of your face here...want to be treated as a member meet the requirements or drop out it is really that simple... The US is tired of paying the most of the bills , not sure why you can't see that or understand their anger...Canada is not an entitled state, it needs to live up to it's global responsibilities, pay it's share or move on....you should be pissed at OUR government for not doing it's federal responsibilities...instead you and many others are whining about what the big bad US is doing...instead of working on a solution to the tariffs... Edited January 25 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
myata Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Does it sound like i was making excuses ? or are you telling me that Canada is taking it's global responsibilities seriously and trump's demands are not valid at all.... OK I'll try to be very patient here.. we have here a fat stupid bozo, ostensibly a CnC of the United States of whatever threatening and shouting at a leader of an allied nation, a founding partner of NATO. On a stupidest pretext that can be imagined and then some. A lady as well. This is all fine with your code of honor, wherever it is? I do sympathize if you come from difficult situations and hard places. If so, let's just end it here. If the allies cannot come to understanding about a thing this obvious, what's left there to talk about. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Army Guy Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 2 hours ago, myata said: OK I'll try to be very patient here.. we have here a fat stupid bozo, ostensibly a CnC of the United States of whatever threatening and shouting at a leader of an allied nation, a founding partner of NATO. On a stupidest pretext that can be imagined and then some. A lady as well. This is all fine with your code of honor, wherever it is? I do sympathize if you come from difficult situations and hard places. If so, let's just end it here. If the allies cannot come to understanding about a thing this obvious, what's left there to talk about. I don't need your patients here, your failing at see the problem here....For decades the US government and many NATO allies ( including that fat stupid bozo you ref to,) has asked politely to increase security on our borders and to increase our military " for decades" and Canada has ignored all of those requests, and has given them the finger on many occasions....Today the US has a president that only has 4 years and is tired of asking nicely....now he is telling us...He does not care if we are a founding member of NATO, or any other organization....he is telling us becasue everything else has failed.... If we are a founding member and actually gave a rats a$$ about NATO, we should at least be making the minimum, membership fee upholding it's policies, leading by example...instead of being that guy who does not pay, or care.... What does that do to our international reputation i wonder... Border security and the entire security apparatus is not the stupidest pretext...but one of the few that should be the federals government primary concerns...You should be looking at your own code of honor here, not mine....i see clearly the problem and the solution.... The so called allieds have been talking about this for decades and not gaining any traction with our government , there is always a time in the conversation when you have to change tactics to get a certain resolution you're looking for.... The us has reached that point....so now we are doing the same thing, giving them the finger, only today there is going to be consequences Tariffs anyone....So in this case their is nothing else to talk about, they have explained the problem, told us what we needed to fix, and if we fail the consequences are tariffs...Or we could do the adult thing , listen , make a plan that they will like and avoid tariffs al together....instead we have chosen to beat our chests , dance around the fire with the sounds of war drums in the background....taking on the world's largest economical force on any day for any reason is a not a good choice. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
robosmith Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: The US is tired of paying the most of the bills , not sure why you can't see that or understand their anger The US is paying the bills it pays, because we want the control and the JOBS that designing and buying defense equipment provides. Everyone else balks at contributing to US full employment because they don't enjoy those JOBS. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 2 hours ago, robosmith said: The US is paying the bills it pays, because we want the control and the JOBS that designing and buying defense equipment provides. Everyone else balks at contributing to US full employment because they don't enjoy those JOBS. We all have choices to make, and most have forgone their own defences like Canada has, Trump will put us back on track very soon....and Canada will be better for it... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
robosmith Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 Just now, Army Guy said: We all have choices to make, and most have forgone their own defences like Canada has, Trump will put us back on track very soon....and Canada will be better for it... Spending a little less than 2% is NOT "forgone their own defences." Trump will do NOTHING for Canada except possibly ANNEX you guys. You do know what "America First" means, don't you? It means screw everyone else like Trump ALWAYS HAS. 🤮 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 well a little less is 1.38 % of gdp not a little but a lot short ....and to top that off we also count in a lot of things and departments that are not even defense related.... Have you seen the state of our equipment....we have 40 main battle tanks ready for combat, of those 1/2of them are almost 25 years old...our latest tanks were used and abused in Afghanistan , rode hard put away wet...the other 40 are for training tanks, our jet fighters are 40 plus years old....our navy ships are almost 40 years old...so ya we pretty much forgone defence Oh it is going to make us spend our 2 % GDP on defense, and fix up our open borders, two things we should have done by ourselves but decided not to...Trump will not annex us, why would he bother he would not gain much but rather inherent all our problems... I get America first, but these current issues and making us invest in areas Canada does not like to... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
myata Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 8 hours ago, Army Guy said: I don't need your patients here, your failing at see the problem here....For decades the US government and many NATO allies ( including that fat stupid bozo you ref to,) has asked politely to increase security on our borders and to increase our military " for decades" and Canada has ignored all of those requests, and has given them the finger on many occasions....Today the US has a president that only has 4 years and is tired of asking nicely....now he is telling us...He does not care if we are a founding member of NATO, or any other organization....he is telling us becasue everything else has failed.... So when you want something from your allies you drive to their home with a machine gun and threaten to shoot, in the quest for understanding and harmony? That make you who, by the factual definition? Remember the p-word? Look in the mirror before you're carried too far in understanding of insanity and fascism (ironic, no)? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
NAME REMOVED Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 (edited) 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: We all have choices to make, and most have forgone their own defences like Canada has, Trump will put us back on track very soon....and Canada will be better for it... Spoken like a traitor. I can just imagine choosing a name like "Army Guy" and going on about how you "served our country," only to s**t on Canada, and praise the enemy. You are free to leave, and move to the USA. Imagine being in the military "35 years" and probably doing deployments on mainly poor countries, that are occupied, and pose no threat to us, then cowardly taking a knee when a much stronger nation threatens to annex us. Maybe you should change your name to "Eddie Slovik," It fits you better. Edited January 26 by DUI_Offender Quote
Hodad Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 22 hours ago, Army Guy said: Does it sound like i was making excuses ? or are you telling me that Canada is taking it's global responsibilities seriously and trump's demands are not valid at all.... Canada created this problem by cheaping out on its entire security apparatus, which has been recognized by the US and our NATO allieds for decades they have politely asked us to solve those issues...to which Canada has ignored, or refused to take any action on these files....now that we we are being told , fix it or face tariffs your pissed...why? Yes Canada is a NATO member, barely, Justin signed an agreement to meet 2 % of GDP by 2024, he got home and said he had no intention of meeting that goal ever.....I asked myself why go to NATO HQ sign documents that agreed to make the 2 % mark then come home and say Screw that....why not refuse to sign the paperwork...Basically we told nato TO SCREW OFF long ago, now is not the time to then hide behind we are a founding member of NATO, when we can't even make the basic requirements of membership that WE help establish....your talking from both sides of your face here...want to be treated as a member meet the requirements or drop out it is really that simple... The US is tired of paying the most of the bills , not sure why you can't see that or understand their anger...Canada is not an entitled state, it needs to live up to it's global responsibilities, pay it's share or move on....you should be pissed at OUR government for not doing it's federal responsibilities...instead you and many others are whining about what the big bad US is doing...instead of working on a solution to the tariffs... Dude, there's no substantive "bill paying" going on. That's not how NATO works. Countries aren't sending money to a central military. We're all spending money domestically on our own military strength. So, no. The US is not tired of paying other countries' bills. That's spending that we're going to do regardless, to maintain our own security. -- or potentially invade Greenland and Panama now that we've elected a giant orange toddler to the presidency. At any rate, the alliance is more potent if the member nations to do meet spending targets, but nobody here feels anything about it. It's not an issue people here even know about outside of the absurd campaign rhetoric. 1 Quote
User Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 On 1/25/2025 at 9:17 AM, myata said: What does it mean, America? The meaning, of the silence? You don't need, have no respect and value for the allies? Democrats, how does it feel on that faraway remote trail? Still no connection, to the reality? No honor, no honesty and no integrity left, to scramble? If so, it'll come back much quicker than you want to believe. These tests can failed only to bad, painful and terrible discoveries. What is "it" you ask about "it" meaning? What silence? What is the no respect or value for the allies? Just another pointless and meaningless garbage thread you will never answer any questions for or ever engage or explain yourself in. Quote
myata Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 (edited) A deafening silence of the Democrat establishment on aggressive escapades of the new Commander in Chief in Greenland and Panama is a troubling and disappointing sign of a total and accomplished collapse of the integrity and morality in the entire political system. They'd rather pretend that nothing is happening than risk uttering a word of truth. Any and all self-serving calculations and machinations will misfire terribly: history tells us that very clearly. These things need to be resisted upfront, immediately and decisively. Other options: plain corrupt; or complicit. That's just too bad for America. Where could the path back to normality be? Who will walk it? Edited January 26 by myata 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Aristides Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 No one is forcing the US to pay for huge military. Quote
User Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: No one is forcing the US to pay for huge military. You want the US to have a weaker military? Quote
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