Nationalist Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, User said: Why do you lie? I mean, really, why? It is on video. You can see her shot and falling back out of the window she was crawling through. I saw the video. But as I said on another post, it's not what I remember seeing 4 years ago. So I'm not sure which I trust. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: I saw the video. But as I said on another post, it's not what I remember seeing 4 years ago. So I'm not sure which I trust. That sounds like some kind of personal problem that no one here can ever solve for you... The facts clearly show on the video what happened. That you choose to ignore them is on you, that doesn't change them. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Examining the clip, the shot came from the other side of the window. These are not the same videos I saw back then. So you concede the dummy was climbing through the window against lawful orders to access a prohibited area? Quote However, I still contend the cop had no right to open fire. I didn't see anyone else try to go through he window after that, so he did his job. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 18 minutes ago, User said: That sounds like some kind of personal problem that no one here can ever solve for you... The facts clearly show on the video what happened. That you choose to ignore them is on you, that doesn't change them. Doesn't change that she was unarmed either. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 45 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Doesn't change that she was unarmed either. Doesn't change the FACT that Byrd had no way to know whether she was armed or not. Duh Nor that the mob behind her was armed. You keep conveniently IGNORING THAT they were set to follow her in. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, robosmith said: Doesn't change the FACT that Byrd had no way to know whether she was armed or not. Duh Nor that the mob behind her was armed. You keep conveniently IGNORING THAT they were set to follow her in. So shoot the mob. And you don't get to shoot people because they MIGHT be armed. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: So shoot the mob. And you don't get to shoot people because they MIGHT be armed. In the US it is very common for cops to get away with doing that. So you're wrong:US cops often do get to do that. Like a cop in NYC got to strangle a man for selling loose cigarettes with no legal consequences. He was fired eventually though. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, robosmith said: In the US it is very common for cops to get away with doing that. So you're wrong:US cops often do get to do that. Like a cop in NYC got to strangle a man for selling loose cigarettes with no legal consequences. He was fired eventually though. Breaking the law doesn't mean you 'get to do it'. People murder other people and don't get caught all the time but we don't say you 'get to murder people'. It's unlawful for police to shoot people who aren't a threat unless you can demonstrate that at the time they had reason to believe they were. Post some of these stories where police have shot unarmed bystanders who weren't a threat and been told that's fine. Remember if you don't provide PROOF your OPINION is BUPKIS! Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 9 hours ago, robosmith said: Doesn't change the FACT that Byrd had no way to know whether she was armed or not. Duh Nor that the mob behind her was armed. You keep conveniently IGNORING THAT they were set to follow her in. They let Byrd go because they couldn't let his hasty actions mess with their narrative. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 11 hours ago, Nationalist said: Doesn't change that she was unarmed either. So what? First, he has no idea if she is armed or not. What he knows is that she is the lead of a violent mob that just bashed in that barricade trying to make entry into a secured hallway leading to the very people he is there to protect. He doesn't have to wait for the violent, angry mob to actually get to members of Congress before acting. 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: They let Byrd go because they couldn't let his hasty actions mess with their narrative. No, its because a reasonable person in his position would have likely done the same thing. That is how the law works. Just the same if you shoot someone in fear of your life. 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: It's unlawful for police to shoot people who aren't a threat unless you can demonstrate that at the time they had reason to believe they were. When someone is part of an already proven to be violent mob trying to breach a doorway leading to a secured area where there are people you are protecting... that is a threat. Quote
Nationalist Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, User said: So what? First, he has no idea if she is armed or not. What he knows is that she is the lead of a violent mob that just bashed in that barricade trying to make entry into a secured hallway leading to the very people he is there to protect. He doesn't have to wait for the violent, angry mob to actually get to members of Congress before acting. No, its because a reasonable person in his position would have likely done the same thing. That is how the law works. Just the same if you shoot someone in fear of your life. When someone is part of an already proven to be violent mob trying to breach a doorway leading to a secured area where there are people you are protecting... that is a threat. Sorry. I'm not convinced. Byrd could have simply grabbed the much smaller woman and detained her. He also could have shot her in the leg or the arm. Instead, he stood back and shot her dead. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Just now, Nationalist said: Sorry. I'm not convinced. Byrd could have simply grabbed the much smaller woman and detained her. He also could have shot her in the leg or the arm. Instead, he stood back and shot her dead. Dear Lord man... just shot her in the leg? You really don't know what you are talking about. Shooting someone is deadly force. If you have time to shoot them in the leg, then you don't need to shoot them at all. Bullets are a high energy small object that will bounce off bone and do all sort of crazy things inside the human body. This is not a TV show. You shoot someone in the leg you can still hit their femoral artery and they die. That bullet hits their femur, bounces up and does far more damage... they die. This is the kind of stuff anti-gun people on the left say who have no idea what they are talking about. He is one person facing an angry mob. He is under no obligation to try to go hands on to fend them off in such a situation as that. Quote
Nationalist Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, User said: Dear Lord man... just shot her in the leg? You really don't know what you are talking about. Shooting someone is deadly force. If you have time to shoot them in the leg, then you don't need to shoot them at all. Bullets are a high energy small object that will bounce off bone and do all sort of crazy things inside the human body. This is not a TV show. You shoot someone in the leg you can still hit their femoral artery and they die. That bullet hits their femur, bounces up and does far more damage... they die. This is the kind of stuff anti-gun people on the left say who have no idea what they are talking about. He is one person facing an angry mob. He is under no obligation to try to go hands on to fend them off in such a situation as that. In the clip we have now, the cop stood back, aimed and shot. He was not being mobbed. Babbit hadn't even gotten through the window yet. He had time and he had distance between him and Babbit. IMO, Byrd acted irrationally and hasty. Somewhat like he was panicking. The whole incident was avoidable had Byrd just acted calmly and rationally. But he did not. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 13 hours ago, Nationalist said: Doesn't change that she was unarmed either. How's the cop supposed to know that in the moment? 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Sorry. I'm not convinced. Byrd could have simply grabbed the much smaller woman and detained her. So grab the woman and get hauled in and beaten by the mob. Quote He also could have shot her in the leg or the arm. Yeah this isn't hollywood, they are trained to shoot to kill. Quote Instead, he stood back and shot her dead. And it was a good shot. Quote
Nationalist Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, Black Dog said: How's the cop supposed to know that in the moment? So grab the woman and get hauled in and beaten by the mob. Yeah this isn't hollywood, they are trained to shoot to kill. And it was a good shot. Well...I'm not surprised you would celebrate this. However, as I've said, the clip clearly shows that Byrd had all kinds of time and distance between him and Babbit. He pulled his firearm, aimed and shot to kill an unarmed woman caught in a window. The hero... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Hodad Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 29 minutes ago, Nationalist said: In the clip we have now, the cop stood back, aimed and shot. He was not being mobbed. Babbit hadn't even gotten through the window yet. He had time and he had distance between him and Babbit. IMO, Byrd acted irrationally and hasty. Somewhat like he was panicking. The whole incident was avoidable had Byrd just acted calmly and rationally. But he did not. I think anyone with defensive training knows that when a mob is breaking into your room the only person with a gun should just wrestle with the first one while the others pour through. It's only common sense! 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, Hodad said: I think anyone with defensive training knows that when a mob is breaking into your room the only person with a gun should just wrestle with the first one while the others pour through. It's only common sense! Only 1 woman was in the act of breaking in. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 40 minutes ago, Nationalist said: In the clip we have now, the cop stood back, aimed and shot. He was not being mobbed. Babbit hadn't even gotten through the window yet. He had time and he had distance between him and Babbit. IMO, Byrd acted irrationally and hasty. Somewhat like he was panicking. The whole incident was avoidable had Byrd just acted calmly and rationally. But he did not. The whole incident was avoidable if Babbit had not tried to breach a secure hallway when deadly force is being threatened. That officer is under no obligation to presume anything good about her or her intentions or put himself and others at risk trying to stop her by other means when he is the last line of defense. In fact, my whole opinion on this matter is that more people should have been shot and it is a testament to the restraint of the officers there that more did not die that day. This was the US Capitol. They were an invading mob. My opinion is that the second one of them breached the first door shots should have been fired or the second they were dragging an officer away and beating him on the ground, people should have been shot. It is a miracle no Officers were more severely injured than they were that day, and a few were very badly injured. One of the officers, last I heard, was going to lose his eye. Sorry, not sorry, deadly force is authorized to prevent severe bodily injury. They should have been shooting people a lot sooner. You put out a loud commanding threat of the use of deadly force to those who breach the building, when they see the first person shot, I bet they lose their motivation really quick. Although, I would much rather have preferred the stupid Democrats support deploying National Guard BEFORE all of this as if there were an more overwhelming force there, that would also have discouraged any kind of mob violence. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Well...I'm not surprised you would celebrate this. However, as I've said, the clip clearly shows that Byrd had all kinds of time and distance between him and Babbit. No he didn't. She was maybe three or four feet away and there were several dozen other goons behind her champing at the bit to get in. Quote He pulled his firearm, aimed and shot to kill an unarmed woman caught in a window. The hero... Lol "caught in the window" you make it sound like she was Winnie the Pooh stuck in Rabbit's door and not a deranged nutcase at the head of an angry and violent mob. 1 Quote
Hodad Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Only 1 woman was in the act of breaking in. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sure, the others were all spectators. They had chased the legislators that far and smashed they window, but the were all there just to watch one woman go through. Try, try try to think about this even a little. She was the FIRST one through. The cop fired only after extensive retreat and multiple warnings. He put down the first person to come through, exactly as he should have, and the rest of the mob was cowed. Edited January 23 by Hodad 1 Quote
User Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 53 minutes ago, Hodad said: Sure, the others were all spectators. They had chased the legislators that far and smashed they window, but the were all there just to watch one woman go through. No legislators were chased. Dear lord, you are just as bad as Nationalist with your nonsense. Quote
robosmith Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 6 hours ago, Nationalist said: They let Byrd go because they couldn't let his hasty actions mess with their narrative. You are delusional and FOS. No wonder you believe Trump's pathological LIES. LMAO Quote
robosmith Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 (edited) 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: Sorry. I'm not convinced. Byrd could have simply grabbed the much smaller woman and detained her. He also could have shot her in the leg or the arm. Instead, he stood back and shot her dead. And while Byrd was distracted by detaining "the much smaller woman," who was going to stop the MOB following her? That single bullet stopped them and actually saved lives. Thank you for proving how delusional you are. LMAO Edited January 23 by robosmith Quote
robosmith Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Well...I'm not surprised you would celebrate this. However, as I've said, the clip clearly shows that Byrd had all kinds of time and distance between him and Babbit. He pulled his firearm, aimed and shot to kill an unarmed woman caught in a window. The hero... You've already said you would shoot her under the same scenario if they were at your front door. Quote
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