Climate Change is Real: Actor and Trump supporter James Woods loses everything

[Venandi]

28 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The fire chief is likely not looking at the budget and is heavily incentivized to blame someone else--doubly so if it gets the department more money I'm the next budget.

Good Lord, I hardly even know what to say other than fire the Fire Chief.

That means leadership (at all levels) is the issue and it raises the spectre of skewed promotion criteria based on factors other than competency that some of you folks have been defending right along.

You can't have it both ways.

The military fell into this trap years ago and are doing the same thing again with DEI based recruiting efforts and promotions. 

Off topic but I would invite you to consider police defunding as a case in point. As in all professions, the bad apples are well know to all, why weren't they dealt with accordingly?

When leadership fails to address poor performance you end up with bad actors making bad judgements and performing poorly leading to high profile debacles. Then the public, fuelled by self serving political rhetoric, demands defunding and engages in unwarranted vilification which in turn translates to attrition and personnel shortages. The first ones out the attrition door will ALWAYS be your best performers... ALWAYS.

The lack of game keepers eventually becomes an obvious problem because poachers are allowed to run amuck... the public then demands enhanced recruiting and the return of funding.

Mass recruiting invariably lowers intake standards and before long you have the self same problems which fuelled the initial defunding idea because of lower recruiting standards. Since careers are measured in decades you end up chewing on the predictable results for a long time.

Most of this is leadership IMO. Leaders compensate for known threats and mitigate those to the maximum extent possible. Poor leaders blame external factors for pi$$ poor performance... like global warming. And citizens who buy into their nonsense ensure it keeps happening because they will keep voting for it.

Edited January 15 by Venandi

[gatomontes99]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Here is your 'toxic fark'.

 

And this thread started with the left celebrating the loss of his property because he's "conservative."

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

Why not just follow events instead of expecting others to do your homework for you? These things take time to figure out, it has to be done systematically, one piece of the puzzle at a time without jumping to conclusions precipitously at every stage of the evolution. 

Here's an article from MSN but maybe they turned racist 18 hours ago:

  https://www.msn.com/en-us/public-safety-and-emergencies/fire-and-rescue/illegal-immigrant-arrested-near-la-fire-with-blowtorch-is-a-convicted-felon-with-history-of-violence/ar-BB1rse3R

I would hasten to add that this is in no way governing... being thwarted in an arson attempt isn't causal and anyone assuming that all of this is the exclusive domain of illegals is jumping to conclusions in the same manner you are but in reverse... each of those actions is a bad as the other in terms of achieving credible results IMO.

I'm really starting to sympathize with the militaries recruiting issues now.  There are tests for attitudes like this and the number of applicants being rejected for cause is off the charts suddenly. If you can't take an overall snapshot of a situation, form a credible threat assessment based on what's in plain view, chart a course to counter the threat while making corrections and adjustments along the way and be able to do that in a reasonable (not expert) fashion, then we collectively will get exactly what we seem to have now. 

You make things better by doing thorough investigations after the fact and adjusting contingency planning based on the results. It  clearly doesn't work well in a narrative charged environment and some of these threads are proof of the potential difficulties in doing that. 

 

 

Perhaps you should go back and re-read. 

A. It beggars the concept of irony that you would tell ME not to jump to conclusions in response to a post in which I proposed not trusting unsubstantiated social media posts.

B. The post claimed that budget was diverted from the fire department to illegal immigrants. To which I replied that there is no evidence of any such thing, and indeed, the fire department budget was a net increase.

 

And here you come posting an article relevant to neither of those points. There are indeed tests for attitudes (and aptitude) like that. 🙄

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

That memo was a full month before the fires. Nice try though.

If only that were relevant. In case you're not aware, every department everywhere complains that they are underfunded. They all want more money. No department head has ever said, "Eh, we have too much budget, maybe you should spend some of this elsewhere?"

So again, the impartial third part looking at the budget--numbers you can verify yourself--is certainly who I would believe first.

Edited January 15 by Hodad

[gatomontes99]

13 minutes ago, Hodad said:

If only that were relevant. In case you're not aware, every department everywhere complains that they are underfunded. They all want more money. No department head has ever said, "Eh, we have too much budget, maybe you should spend some of this elsewhere?"

So again, the impartial third part looking at the budget--numbers you can verify yourself--is certainly who I would believe first.

Impartial third party?! Lmbo.

The LA Times is no more an impartial third party than you or I. While everyone says they are underfunded, this fire chief was proven right. Do you need proof?

 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Here is your 'toxic fark'.

 

You may not follow entertainment circles, but he's famously and unstable a-hole. Nobody wants to work with him because of his behavior.

[gatomontes99]

Just now, Hodad said:

You may not follow entertainment circles, but he's famously and unstable a-hole. Nobody wants to work with him because of his behavior.

Yeah, that whole setting up lines of communication and helping everyone regardless of their ideology definitely seems unstable to people like you.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Impartial third party?! Lmbo.

The LA Times is no more an impartial third party than you or I. While everyone says they are underfunded, this fire chief was proven right. Do you need proof?

 

Sorry, but that's not how that works. Funding at levels that can handle any wildly outlying events is not practical or sustainable. You can't just idly park 10x the resources you usually need in case something comes out of left field.  

[gatomontes99]

Just now, Hodad said:

Sorry, but that's not how that works. Funding at levels that can handle any wildly outlying events is not practical or sustainable. You can't just idly park 10x the resources you usually need in case something comes out of left field.  

This isn't an outlier. This is a regularly recurring event that was prevented by proper funding, training and staffing. It wasnt prevented this year because that trinity of basic fire services was diminished.

[ironstone]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You may not follow entertainment circles, but he's famously and unstable a-hole. Nobody wants to work with him because of his behavior.

Wow, that must be practically unheard of in Hollywood right?🙄

[User]

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You may not follow entertainment circles, but he's famously and unstable a-hole. Nobody wants to work with him because of his behavior.

Because, of course, you are in the middle of the Hollywood actor circles...

James woods has a long list of credits as an actor, but yeah sure, no all of a sudden its because he is an unstable a-hole and his behavior. (Bet you didn't know he was a producer on Oppenheimer) The reality is that when he started to be more openly Conservative he was dropped by his agent and stopped getting as many roles... 

The "behavior" he is guilty of is daring to be public on his political views. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

That's easy. A reporter. An impartial third party who is actually looking at the budget documents. Which are public, btw.

The fire chief is likely not looking at the budget and is heavily incentivized to blame someone else--doubly so if it gets the department more money I'm the next budget.

Did you just say reporter and impartial in the same sentence?

Honestly every day I think you can't look more stupid and every day you outwit  me

[User]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Sorry, but that's not how that works. Funding at levels that can handle any wildly outlying events is not practical or sustainable. You can't just idly park 10x the resources you usually need in case something comes out of left field.  

This is the joke. 

So, we are supposed to upend our entire way of life, spend countless hundreds of billions if not trillions over our lifetimes to fight "climate change" but it is too expensive to build some more reservoirs, have better fire infrastructure to support fire hydrants when you know you are in a dry area with more fire risk, to increase the fire budget to account for better quick response equipment in situations like these, to update your fire department to be able to meet the growing size of your population...

Nope, can't afford any of that. 

But they can afford billions to endlessly fight homelessness. 

 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

This isn't an outlier. This is a regularly recurring event that was prevented by proper funding, training and staffing. It wasnt prevented this year because that trinity of basic fire services was diminished.

Sorry, but that's total crap. There are fires annually, but they have always been managed with fewer resources than are now available. THIS does not happen annually. If it did, none of us would be having this conversation. And, again, funding for the fire department was increased YoY. 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Wow, that must be practically unheard of in Hollywood right?🙄

Nah, you could make a modest list of them. What does that have to do with anything? This is a guy who has been MeToo-ed more than he's acted in the past 15 years. Does the fact that some other people are toxic shitbirds have any bearing on the fact that that is Woods' reputation? 

Edited January 15 by Hodad

[User]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Sorry, but that's total crap. There are fires annually, but they have always been managed with fewer resources than are now available. THIS does not happen annually. If it did, none of us would be having this conversation. And, again, funding for the fire department was increased YoY. 

So... which is it then?

You guys argue that climate change is a known threat that causes these dry conditions and we should expect these fires and that they will be worse... but now you don't think that LA or other levels of government in CA are capable of doing more to adapt to being prepared because this doesn't happen very often?

It is almost like you will say anything to avoid the facts here. 

 

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Sorry, but that's total crap. There are fires annually, but they have always been managed with fewer resources than are now available. THIS does not happen annually. If it did, none of us would be having this conversation. And, again, funding for the fire department was increased YoY. 

I didn't say annually. I said regularly occurring. I posted the cycles. Just scroll up.

As for the funding, as I have said, the fire chief said it wasnt enough to be prepared and lo and beholden, they were not prepared. Inflation, urban sprawl, and DEI hiring meant they got less for more, had more area to protect and with less capable personell.

Edited January 15 by gatomontes99