Dad Arrested for Killing Daughter's Rapist

[User]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Are tornados human caused, are arsonists a problem when your kids are in school?

Do you only care about kids dying by human-caused events?

 

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Are tornados human caused, are arsonists a problem when your kids are in school?

Good point.  If you notice the graph on car cashes going down, that decrease is itself human-caused.  Car companies and the public work to increasing safety measures to reduce the amount of mortality inflicted upon society.

The gun companies don't play that game because their product is designed to kill.

[gatomontes99]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Are tornados human caused, are arsonists a problem when your kids are in school?

You are making my point. You only want to punish those that are not going to do harm rather than save lives. It's all about control.

[Aristides]

42 minutes ago, User said:

Do you only care about kids dying by human-caused events?

 

Human caused events can be fixed by humans, we can only adapt to natural events.

33 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are making my point. You only want to punish those that are not going to do harm rather than save lives. It's all about control.

Well school shooters must be innocent people too because you aren’t serious about preventing their access to weapons.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Human caused events can be fixed by humans, we can only adapt to natural events.

 

Then why are you trying to fix them by adapting the guns? The whole way along we've been saying that you fix problems caused by humans by addressing the humans. You seem to feel that's not the case

[User]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Human caused events can be fixed by humans, we can only adapt to natural events.

Yes, to the point of this thread and the bringing up of tornadoes, we can mitigate those risks to save kids. You wanted to dismiss that because they are not human-caused. 

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Well school shooters must be innocent people too because you aren’t serious about preventing their access to weapons.

Sure we are. Most of them are stealing guns or acquiring them illegally. We don't let kids walk into a gun store to buy a gun. 

 

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

 

42 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Human caused events can be fixed by humans, we can only adapt to natural events.

Stephen Pinker pointed out, in the latest book, that even lightning strike deaths have been reduced due to humans' prevention.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[Aristides]

29 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, to the point of this thread and the bringing up of tornadoes, we can mitigate those risks to save kids. You wanted to dismiss that because they are not human-caused. 

 

 

 

 

You can mitigate risks from natural causes, you can prevent human caused risks.

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Sure we are. Most of them are stealing guns or acquiring them illegally. We don't let kids walk into a gun store to buy a gun. 

Why is it so easy for them to get guns illegally? What are you doing to prevent it?

[gatomontes99]

49 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Human caused events can be fixed by humans, we can only adapt to natural events.

Well school shooters must be innocent people too because you aren’t serious about preventing their access to weapons.

Well, you support rapists. After all, they are innocent until proven guilty. But gun owners are guilty and should be punished.

[User]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You can mitigate risks from natural causes, you can prevent human caused risks.

You can prevent deaths from natural causes from a tornado. 

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Why is it so easy for them to get guns illegally? What are you doing to prevent it?

Listen, if you don't know much about American gun laws, you should take some time to educate yourself on these things before talking about them. 

Also, I would not say killing your parents is "easy" or trying to befriend someone to illegally sell you a gun or get you one is "easy"

I would say, that these things certainly happen, and you are not going to be able to stop them all from happening. So... we should protect kids. 

[Aristides]

26 minutes ago, User said:

You can prevent deaths from natural causes from a tornado. 

But you can't prevent tornadoes.

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Listen, if you don't know much about American gun laws, you should take some time to educate yourself on these things before talking about them. 

 

So change your laws.

 

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Also, I would not say killing your parents is "easy" or trying to befriend someone to illegally sell you a gun or get you one is "easy"

So how do they get them? When I was working contract in Alaska during the early nineties, one of our captains and his wife were shot to death by their son with their own gun. I bet a lot more Americans are shot by relatives than home invaders.
 

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I would say, that these things certainly happen, and you are not going to be able to stop them all from happening. So... we should protect kids. 

Are you protecting them by not addressing the root causes? Why is this an epidemic only in your country?

https://www.bradyunited.org/resources/statistics

https://www.euronews.com/2023/05/10/fact-check-has-1-in-5-americans-lost-a-family-member-to-gun-violence

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[User]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

But you can't prevent tornadoes.

And what does that have to do with anything here? What is your point?

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So change your laws.

Yeah, we should totally make murder, theft, and unlawful gun purchases even more illegal! Like, maybe double illegal!

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So how do they get them? When I was working contract in Alaska during the early nineties, one of our captains and his wife were shot to death by their son with their own gun. I bet a lot more Americans are shot by relatives than home invaders.

I just said how they get them... and domestic violence is awful, but it doesn't go away without guns and for the 99.9% of gun owners not in abusive relationships, no, they are not more likely to be shot by a family member. 

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Are you protecting them by not addressing the root causes? Why is this an epidemic only in your country?

We are protecting them... by actually protecting them. 

[Aristides]

23 minutes ago, User said:

And what does that have to do with anything here? What is your point?ing them. 

Do I really have to explain the difference between natural events that you can't prevent and man made ones that you can?

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Yeah, we should totally make murder, theft, and unlawful gun purchases even more illegal! Like, maybe double illegal!

Making something illegal means nothing if you don't do anything to prevent it.

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I just said how they get them... and domestic violence is awful, but it doesn't go away without guns and for the 99.9% of gun owners not in abusive relationships, no, they are not more likely to be shot by a family member. 

You have anything to back that up?

 

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We are protecting them... by actually protect

Guns are the leading cause of death in the US among children and teens, exceeding even auto accidents. It isn't even in the top four causes for any other country.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Aristides

[User]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Do I really have to explain the difference between natural events that you can't prevent and man made ones that you can?

You really need to tell me what your point is at this point. 

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Making something illegal means nothing if you don't do anything to prevent it.

It's a good thing we are not doing nothing, and I am not proposing we do nothing. 

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You have anything to back that up?

Which part? 

But since you want to play this game, lets see you back up your assertion first. 

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Guns are the leading cause of death in the US among children and teens, exceeding even auto accidents. It isn't even in the top four causes for any other country.

No, suicides, gang violence, drugs are the leading causes... guns are the tool. Guns are not just laying around and when a helpless kid walks by BANG the gun randomly kills them. 

The real issue is the soft on crime policies in big cities with left wing DA's, the drug war, gangs, and suicide. 

 

[Aristides]

54 minutes ago, User said:

You really need to tell me what your point is at this point. I

 

If you can't tell the difference between natural events and human caused ones, I can't help you.

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t's a good thing we are not doing nothing, and I am not proposing we do nothing. 

You proposing symptoms, not causes and all long as you do that, you won't solve anything

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Which part? 

The 99.9% part.

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But since you want to play this game, lets see you back up your assertion first. 

No, suicides, gang violence, drugs are the leading causes... guns are the tool. Guns are not just laying around and when a helpless kid walks by BANG the gun randomly kills them. 

 

Yes, guns are the tool and you make owning those tools easier than any first world country. 

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The real issue is the soft on crime policies in big cities with left wing DA's, the drug war, gangs, and suicide. 

You have the biggest prison population on earth and the highest incarceration rate. How's it working out for you?

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

If you can't tell the difference between natural events and human caused ones, I can't help you.

That is not what I asked. 

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You proposing symptoms, not causes and all long as you do that, you won't solve anything

The cause of little kids dying in a school shooting is the bad person shooting them. My solution is to have someone there to stop the bad person and deter them. That certainly does help solve things. 

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

The 99.9% part.

Some 100 Million people lawfully own guns in this country. That 99.9% is the amount of lawful gun owners not getting shot by their family members... likely more like 99.9999 something percent. 

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Yes, guns are the tool and you make owning those tools easier than any first world country. 

I suppose you are just fine with driving cars through Christmas markets instead?

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You have the biggest prison population on earth and the highest incarceration rate. How's it working out for you?

So your big plan is to let more violent criminals remain on the streets?

 

[impartialobserver]

The law is pretty clear no matter the state. Vigilante justice even if righteous is not condoned. To avoid prosecution, he calls the police. Yes, I know that the police come in after the crime is committed and you have to have a complaining witness which in the case of rapes is not always easy. To come forth after a rape is not nearly as easy as know-it-alls make it seem. 

[Fluffypants]

On 12/22/2024 at 2:48 PM, Aristides said:

But you can't prevent tornadoes.

 

So change your laws.

 

So how do they get them? When I was working contract in Alaska during the early nineties, one of our captains and his wife were shot to death by their son with their own gun. I bet a lot more Americans are shot by relatives than home invaders.
 

Are you protecting them by not addressing the root causes? Why is this an epidemic only in your country?

https://www.bradyunited.org/resources/statistics

https://www.euronews.com/2023/05/10/fact-check-has-1-in-5-americans-lost-a-family-member-to-gun-violence

 

Access to guns isn't the problem its our justice systems failure to prosecute criminals that makes these guns available.

Think about the arguments for Hunter Biden's pardon, them claiming the gun crime he committed wouldn't normally be prosecuted. Now either they are lying or that is a sad state of our criminal system. Obtaining a gun by lying on the background check that is supposed to keep people from having a gun not being prosecuted is insane to me.

[User]

Just now, Fluffypants said:

Access to guns isn't the problem its our justice systems failure to prosecute criminals that makes these guns available.

Think about the arguments for Hunter Biden's pardon, them claiming the gun crime he committed wouldn't normally be prosecuted. Now either they are lying or that is a sad state of our criminal system. Obtaining a gun by lying on the background check that is supposed to keep people from having a gun not being prosecuted is insane to me.

That is the stupidity of it all. 

So... why is it illegal to purchase a gun under those circumstances at all then if they are not even going to bother prosecuting it?

Hell... even the actual violent crimes the left wing doesn't care about. They just want "equity" not justice. Let people go and who cares if they keep killing people. 

[Fluffypants]

6 minutes ago, User said:

That is the stupidity of it all. 

So... why is it illegal to purchase a gun under those circumstances at all then if they are not even going to bother prosecuting it?

Hell... even the actual violent crimes the left wing doesn't care about. They just want "equity" not justice. Let people go and who cares if they keep killing people. 

Liberals logic it is take to away freedoms and the bad stuff goes away. England made guns illegal then they just started stabbing each other and they made knives illegal.

We don't need gun control laws we need to enforce the people control laws.