Dad Arrested for Killing Daughter's Rapist

[gatomontes99]

16 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It feels like a tragedy.

I treated you like you treated me. I called the case nuanced and not clear cut. You made a crap ton of assumptions and tried to push me in a corner. So I did the same to you.

The hypocrisy here is that you claimed to be being fair. You don't even see what a judgemental priçk you were being.

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I treated you like you treated me. I called the case nuanced and not clear cut. You made a crap ton of assumptions and tried to push me in a corner. So I did the same to you.

The hypocrisy here is that you claimed to be being fair. You don't even see what a judgemental priçk you were being.

Fair enough, maybe we agree on more than we thought.

[WestCanMan]

This story, if it checks out, serves as an awesome warning/reminder to rapists about what could (should) happen to them.

Unfortunately, it also makes pedophiles feel like they'll be safer if they eliminate witnesses, like Clifford Olson did. 

This is one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenarios, where a solution is desperately needed but there are so many variables to the problem that what helps over here, makes things immeasurably worse over there. 

 

At the end of the day, I would never question that father's right to do what was necessary to protect his child, especially after the justice system had failed so miserably:

• the courts had their chance
• they failed miserably and to to a degree that is completely unacceptable
• it was a basic case of "protect the life of a child vs protect the rights of a child-rapist" and they got that one so dead wrong that it makes them seem entirely unfit to serve in that capacity at all. The justice system lost their right to opine in this instance - they need to sit in the corner and listen when that father speaks to them, not the other way.
• their abject failure forced the dad to protect his child all by himself, and as a man he has limited resources and training to do that. The court can't stand in judgement of "whether he did it the exact right way". 
• in a very real way, the court is just as culpable - if not moreso - in the death of the rapist as the father is, because they let that rapist out into the world where he was likely to commit acts that give people the right to kill him. 

 

At the risk of sounding political here, it seems somehow necessary to point out the fact that sometimes born-and-raised Americans sometimes rape their own people, not just immigrants. 

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

At the risk of sounding political here, it seems somehow necessary to point out the fact that sometimes born-and-raised Americans sometimes rape their own people, not just immigrants. 

We have enough aśśholes to deal with, we don't need to import more.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

That's why we have courts and trials.

A ton of people here said he was definitely guilty because they read the deposition. No trial necessary

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Fair enough, maybe we agree on more than we thought.

Did youn't do the same in the Madison shooting thread?

Edited December 21, 2024 by gatomontes99

[Aristides]

12 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Did youn't do the same in the Madison shooting thread?

Did what other than other than expressing disgust that every time one of these school shootings happens there is a lot of outrage but no desire to change anything.

[gatomontes99]

26 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Did what other than other than expressing disgust that every time one of these school shootings happens there is a lot of outrage but no desire to change anything.

You ignored all of the non-gun-restriction solutions and, instead, painted everyone as wanting to kill children. Do you not see the similarities?

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

You ignored all of the non-gun-restriction solutions and, instead, painted everyone as wanting to kill children. Do you not see the similarities?

What gun restriction solutions. All I saw was put more guns in schools. I never said anyone wants to kill children, of course they don't. It's just depressing to watch all the hand wringing that goes on after one of these shootings yet nothing is ever changed to prevent them or prevent whackos from getting these guns. It never goes beyond lip service.

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What gun restriction solutions. All I saw was put more guns in schools. I never said anyone wants to kill children, of course they don't. It's just depressing to watch all the hand wringing that goes on after one of these shootings yet nothing is ever changed to prevent them or prevent whackos from getting these guns. It never goes beyond lip service.

You ignored what I said on multiple opportunities and absolutely inferred people wanted kids to die. And now I got you to renounce that b.s. until you realized what you were doing.

[Moonlight Graham]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

As usual, you have to politicize everything.

From what this article says, the guy seems like a real PoS and will not be missed. I am certainly not defending him.

However I will play devil's advocate in pointing out.

!: When someone is shot and killed, we just can't ignore it based on what we feel.

2: Charges do not equal convictions

3: Messy as it can be, we have due process and rule of law to determine what actually happened and act accordingly.

4: We don't convict and execute people on the basis of what we read in the paper or see on a cable news clip.

I've always considered myself to be someone to the right of centre but if the right no longer believes in this, it is the right that has changed, not me.

I agree.  Ultimately people have to follow the law.  But some murders are more understandable than others, like self-defense or a dad killing the rapist of his daughter.  I assume the dad will serve time but the sentence will be lighter than most murders and I think that's the correct thing.  Murder is over the top, but any dad would understandably assault his daughter's rapist.  If it were just assault I think the dad should walk.

I don't think its a left or right thing, more about emotions over reason, which affects people of all stripes.  Many on the left are cheering the murder of the heathcare CEO, and he didn't even break the law.

[Aristides]

23 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You ignored what I said on multiple opportunities and absolutely inferred people wanted kids to die. And now I got you to renounce that b.s. until you realized what you were doing.

What BS? After all the school shootings in the past ten years, exactly what has been done to prevent them? I have never said people want kids to die, just that not being willing to change anything must mean they think the body count is acceptable because they know it will happen again and again. Convince me otherwise.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Aristides

[gatomontes99]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

What BS? After all the school shootings in the past ten years, exactly what has been done to prevent them? I have never said people want kids to die, just that not being willing to change anything must mean they think the body count is acceptable. Convince me otherwise.

That b.s.

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

That b.s.

Really? What exactly has changed since Sandy Hook?

[gatomontes99]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Really? What exactly has changed since Sandy Hook?

https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/blog/advocacy/5-life-saving-changes-after-the-sandy-hook-tragedy/

But that isn't what you are looking for is it? You have determined the only way to solve the problem is to eliminate guns and you think Americans want kids to die. Receipts:

On 12/18/2024 at 8:18 PM, Aristides said:

The truth hurts I see. Your country is the only one watching its kids die while refusing to do anything about it.

 

But no doubt we will see Trump spend billions to treat people with mental health issues to protect your kids so you don't have to change anything.🤣

 

On 12/18/2024 at 8:02 PM, Aristides said:

 

On 12/19/2024 at 8:43 AM, Aristides said:

Maybe you should be asking why you need schools full of guns. I think that cartoon is spot on and obviously hit a sore point.

 

On 12/19/2024 at 9:05 AM, Aristides said:

Like your fake outrage over dead school kids. 

 

On 12/19/2024 at 12:30 PM, Aristides said:

You are from the country that just expresses fake outrage and makes up excuses.

But my point is, there were other options presented and you hardened your stance, made assumptions and engaged in hyperbole. Just like you did here. Just like you agreed was wrong earlier.

 

[Aristides]

If you look at school shootings before and after Sandy Hook, there is little difference. If anything, they have been worse since Sandy Hook.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000–present)

[gatomontes99]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If you look at school shootings before and after Sandy Hook, there is little difference. If anything, they have been worse since Sandy Hook.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000–present)

You are missing the point and proving mine.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are missing the point and proving mine.

What options? And if there are effective options, why aren't you doing them?

[gatomontes99]

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What options? And if there are effective options, why aren't you doing them?

Democrats don't want to solve the problem. They get their power from broken promises. They get votes for promising to take guns, not from solving the problem.

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Democrats don't want to solve the problem. They get their power from broken promises. They get votes for promising to take guns, not from solving the problem.

Whatever. The Republicans have both houses and the presidency but you will be making the same excuses 4 years from now.

[gatomontes99]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Whatever. The Republicans have both houses and the presidency but you will be making the same excuses 4 years from now.

Excuses for what? Not taking innocent people's rights because some aśshole is an aŝshole?

[NAME REMOVED]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/blog/advocacy/5-life-saving-changes-after-the-sandy-hook-tragedy/
 

 

Those "changes" have done absolutely nothing to curtail school shootings. In fact, school shootings have risen dramatically since 2012. 

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Excuses for what? Not taking innocent people's rights because some aśshole is an aŝshole?

Like i said, nothing will change and it will be the same excuses even though the Republicans have controlled the government for four years. 

But I get it, dead school kids aren't innocent people, only gun owners are.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Like i said, nothing will change and it will be the same excuses even though the Republicans have controlled the government for four years. 

But I get it, dead school kids aren't innocent people, only gun owners are.

You don't give a crap about dead school kids. We've already established that. That's cool kids aren't innocent people for you, the fresh bodies to be ground up in your echo chamber Hate Machine and turned into fertilizer for your delusions. 

Dozens and dozens of proofs and examples have been posted here that show you your 100% in the wrong. But you couldn't care less

[User]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

But I get it, dead school kids aren't innocent people, only gun owners are.

You don't get anything. You would rather see those kids die than see someone there to protect them.