Trump to discuss ending childhood vaccination programs with RFK Jr.

[herbie]

Don't forget the anti-vax lunacy at it's most demented. The horn honking gang protesting how they weren't allowed back in to Canada without a vax from the US that wouldn't let them IN without one in the first place still portrayed as heros by them.
F^cking Trudeau not deciding border policy of the USA0
F*cking Trudeau not letting the infectious into the country.
F*cking Trudeau dictating and forcing people by merely advising them to use common sense.
F*cking Trudeau who handed all decision making over to doctors and health professional rather than making decisions.
 

Yeah let's let MR Brainworm decide polio, measles, whooping cough need to come back.
Take the flouride out take the iodine out of salt take the Vitamin C out of kid's drinks it's all a Kremlin plot.

Edited December 19, 2024 by herbie

[WestCanMan]

On 12/16/2024 at 7:13 PM, Politics1990 said:

these 2 dumbnuts  are gonna set back american health  decades by  the time 2028 comes around sad really

So sayeth the vaxt4rd/covid fascist. 

[NAME REMOVED]

21 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Anyway, here's a thread I made back in June on another forum on the subject of the safety and efficacy of vaccines if you're interested:

https://politicalhotwire.com/t/are-vaccines-truly-safe-and-effective.284388/.

I'm not interested at all. People who bring up obscure YouTube videos, to justify their reluctance to get vaccinated, are a dime a dozen. No thanks, but I will stick to what the medical community, my GP, Health Canada, and the CDC report, thank you. 

Edited December 20, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Politics1990]

34 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So sayeth the vaxt4rd/covid fascist. 

just move down south bro i feel sorry for your wife and kids having to deal on a daily basis  with a nut like you lol. for there sake i hope you make good money to make the pain a little easier 🤣

Edited December 20, 2024 by Politics1990

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

just move down south bro i feel sorry for your wife and kids having to deal on a daily basis  with a nut like you lol. for there sake i hope you make good money to make the pain a little easier 🤣

Learn to speak English. You live in Canada ffs, dummy. 

[Scott75]

On 12/18/2024 at 9:13 PM, Hodad said:

On 12/18/2024 at 7:59 AM, Scott75 said:

 

I've done a lot of research on vaccinations, and I've come to the conclusion that none of them are helpful and all of them are harmful. From what I understand, RFK Jr. doesn't go that far, but he -has- said that no vaccine has been properly safety tested.

That's unbelievably stupid. Like, literally, it's hard to believe that a functional adult could say such a thing.

I have some suggestions as to how you could improve your posting style:

1- Be respectful of people who disagree with your own views. If this is simply too much for you to manage, at least reserve your insults for the end of your posts. That way, there's a much higher likelihood that the poster you're responding to may actually read the main body of your post.

2- Start with your arguments, not your conclusions. If nothing else, it has a higher likelihood of keeping those who may disagree with your conclusions around to hear your actual arguments.

You failed on both counts, so I decided to stop responding to what you had to say after the second sentence. If that was your -goal-, though, then congratulations on a job well done.

 

Edited December 20, 2024 by Scott75

[Scott75]

On 12/18/2024 at 10:23 PM, robosmith said:

On 12/18/2024 at 8:58 PM, Scott75 said:

No need to start caps locking words. I think that Children's Health Defense has a good article with some information that certainly suggests that vaccines do more harm than good:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/vaccine-curriculum/

As you may know, Children's Health Defense is a website that RFK Jr. founded.

And which MEDICAL EXPERTS performed the peer reviewed research published on that amateur site?

There you go with the capsed words again -.- There's no need to yell, you know? You were much more civilized in the "Are you a man or a woman" thread (I just changed my name from phoenyx75). Anyway, I think the following article is a good one when it comes to strong evidence that vaccines are harmful:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/hazlehurst/

 

Quoting the introduction to the article below:

**

The Tipping Point of Justice for Vaccine-Injured Children

Countless vaccine-injured children who developed autism after receiving routine vaccines have been denied justice for decades.

Largely because the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) determined vaccines didn’t cause autism in three “test” cases. Those three cases determined the fate of 5,400 children in the NVICP’s Omnibus Autism Proceeding (OAP) — and those 5,400 children represent millions of vaccine-injured children. 

“The NVICP is one of the fundamental causes of the autism epidemic,” said CHD Senior Staff Attorney Rolf Hazlehurst. “Understanding why this is true and how the United States Department of Justice perpetrated fraud upon the courts, including the Supreme Court of the United States, is the key to ending the autism epidemic.” 

**

[Scott75]

14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

On 12/18/2024 at 8:50 PM, Scott75 said:

Anyway, here's a thread I made back in June on another forum on the subject of the safety and efficacy of vaccines if you're interested:

https://politicalhotwire.com/t/are-vaccines-truly-safe-and-effective.284388/

I'm not interested at all. 

Can't say I'm surprised, though I did hold a brief glimmer of hope that you actually wanted to try to understand why I believe what I believe.

  

14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

People who bring up obscure YouTube videos, to justify their reluctance to get vaccinated, are a dime a dozen.

I've only brought up one youtube video so far, so I guess it's safe to assume that's the one you're referring to. For the audience who may have not seen the video DUI is probably referring to, that would be this one:

 

The video has gotten 398,000 views since it was published around a year ago, so I'm not sure what DUI's standards are for "obscure". Perhaps only half a million views qualifies as something that isn't obscure for him, who knows. Anyway, I highly recommend the video, as it shows the double standards a lot of people have when it comes to questioning vaccines as opposed to questioning just about anything else. 

14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

No thanks, but I will stick to what the medical community, my GP, Health Canada, and the CDC report, thank you. 

You do you, but I think it's good to be aware that not everyone is so trusting of the institutions you mention. As to the medical community, there's a growing chorus of doctors who have reservations on vaccines. Even the mainstream media admits as much:

https://theconversation.com/the-1-in-10-u-s-doctors-with-reservations-about-vaccines-could-be-undermining-the-fight-against-covid-19-179929

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/aaps-make-health-care-great-again/607015/

 

It was actually by following the links in the above 2 articles that I came across the following book:

https://www.amazon.com/Vaccines-Trial-Truths-Consequences-Mandatory-ebook/dp/B077NX99G9

Quoting a bit from what I guess is the book summary:

**

Mandated Vaccines or Medical Freedom?

 

EVERY VACCINE COMES WITH A PRINTED INSERT

"Permanent disorder" is a listed side-effect - an admitted reaction.
Can you trust a shot that lists seizure and permanent disorder as a side-effect?
Yet if you quote the vaccine insert people will call you a conspiracy theorist.

Whatever side of the vaccine debate you're on, be open to read the science studies in this book.

PROVEN FACTS
1. The US vaccine court has awarded more than $4 billion for vaccine-injurIes.
"The federal government has compensated hundreds of cases of vaccine induced brain injury associated with autism. What they have acknowledged is that vaccines cause brain damage, and brain damage manifests as autism." – Mary Holland PhD

ADVERSE REACTIONS ARE NOT RARE

2. “The CDC admits that the reported number of adverse effects of vaccines is probably only 10% of actual adverse effects.”
– AAPS on Mandatory Vaccinations, April 9/2009

A new Health and Human Services study found "only 1% of vaccine injuries are reported."
Vaccine-injury cases prove vaccines do not protect everybody.

WHAT'S IN THAT SHOT?

3. Vaccines contain aluminum, mercury, and formaldehyde – chemicals that harm a child's tender body.
Vaccine injuries, mercury toxicity, and autism have increased parental concerns.
Are you willing to allow that risk for your family?

MANDATED SHOTS BOOST VACCINE RISKS

4. The CDC admits MMR vaccine is formulated with cells from chicken and cow embryos, as well as aborted human fetal cells (WI-38 & MRC-5).
YES, they inject humans with non-human DNA, as well as DNA from aborted fetuses.

ONLY TWO SHOTS IN THE 1970s

5. Today, babies get 24 shots before age 2.
Blue Cross Blue Shield gives a $400/child bonus to doctors who inject every shot.
Beware of doctors who pressure you to fully-inject your family.
Vaccines are big business.
The profit motive has destroyed medical compassion.

**

Edited December 20, 2024 by Scott75

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Scott75 said:

Can't say I'm surprised, though I did hold a brief glimmer of hope that you actually wanted to try to understand why I believe what I believe.

  

I've only brought up one youtube video so far, so I guess it's safe to assume that's the one you're referring to. For the audience who may have not seen the video DUI is probably referring to, that would be this one:

 

The video has gotten 398,000 views since it was published around a year ago, so I'm not sure what DUI's standards are for "obscure". Perhaps only half a million views qualifies as something that isn't obscure for him, who knows. Anyway, I highly recommend the video, as it shows the double standards a lot of people have when it comes to questioning vaccines as opposed to questioning just about anything else. 

You do you, but I think it's good to be aware that not everyone is so trusting of the institutions you mention. As to the medical community, there's a growing chorus of doctors who have reservations on vaccines. Even the mainstream media admits as much:

https://theconversation.com/the-1-in-10-u-s-doctors-with-reservations-about-vaccines-could-be-undermining-the-fight-against-covid-19-179929

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/aaps-make-health-care-great-again/607015/

 

It was actually by following the links in the above 2 articles that I came across the following book:

https://www.amazon.com/Vaccines-Trial-Truths-Consequences-Mandatory-ebook/dp/B077NX99G9

Quoting a bit from what I guess is the book summary:

**

Mandated Vaccines or Medical Freedom?

 

EVERY VACCINE COMES WITH A PRINTED INSERT

"Permanent disorder" is a listed side-effect - an admitted reaction.
Can you trust a shot that lists seizure and permanent disorder as a side-effect?
Yet if you quote the vaccine insert people will call you a conspiracy theorist.

Whatever side of the vaccine debate you're on, be open to read the science studies in this book.

PROVEN FACTS
1. The US vaccine court has awarded more than $4 billion for vaccine-injurIes.
"The federal government has compensated hundreds of cases of vaccine induced brain injury associated with autism. What they have acknowledged is that vaccines cause brain damage, and brain damage manifests as autism." – Mary Holland PhD

ADVERSE REACTIONS ARE NOT RARE

2. “The CDC admits that the reported number of adverse effects of vaccines is probably only 10% of actual adverse effects.”
– AAPS on Mandatory Vaccinations, April 9/2009

A new Health and Human Services study found "only 1% of vaccine injuries are reported."
Vaccine-injury cases prove vaccines do not protect everybody.

WHAT'S IN THAT SHOT?

3. Vaccines contain aluminum, mercury, and formaldehyde – chemicals that harm a child's tender body.
Vaccine injuries, mercury toxicity, and autism have increased parental concerns.
Are you willing to allow that risk for your family?

MANDATED SHOTS BOOST VACCINE RISKS

4. The CDC admits MMR vaccine is formulated with cells from chicken and cow embryos, as well as aborted human fetal cells (WI-38 & MRC-5).
YES, they inject humans with non-human DNA, as well as DNA from aborted fetuses.

ONLY TWO SHOTS IN THE 1970s

5. Today, babies get 24 shots before age 2.
Blue Cross Blue Shield gives a $400/child bonus to doctors who inject every shot.
Beware of doctors who pressure you to fully-inject your family.
Vaccines are big business.
The profit motive has destroyed medical compassion.

**

It's an endless source of frustration for me that we can't find out exactly how many adverse reactions there were, how many young adults and children were affected, and how seriously.

If you try to read a VAERS report it is always intentionally dry and useless. "Blah blah blah most often irritation around the injection site blah blah blah" and when it comes down to the serious details there's nothing. They'll say "myocarditis in x/100,000 injections" and then just blow right by it as if it's a rounding error. 

What's "myocarditis"? It's anything from a minor, short-term affliction to a life-altering event. It's like cancer. Some people got it 20 yrs ago and they're fine, some people found out 6 months ago that they had cancer and they're already dead. But all we hear about myocarditis in kids is that "they had it", as if it was a case of the sniffles. 

So take all of that up there, and compound it with the fact that I knew about kids getting myocarditis at a time when the MSM was still laughing it off as conspiracy nonsense. How am I ever supposed to get from the point where they were p1ssing in my face and telling me it was raining to a place where I believe their "stats"? 

And it's no small matter. Hundreds of thousands of kids were getting vaxed every day while they were still pretending that kids needed it and there were no side effects. 

And the media was Brutus the whole time. CBC and CTV are no less guilty than Fauci. So were FB, Twitter, etc. 

 

Side note: I think that RFK Jr is as much of a target as his dad and uncle ever were. Being the sworn enemy of big pharma, the Dems and all of their powerful connections is like going on the May-fly health care plan.

[Scott75]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's an endless source of frustration for me that we can't find out exactly how many adverse reactions there were, how many young adults and children were affected, and how seriously.

If you try to read a VAERS report it is always intentionally dry and useless. "Blah blah blah most often irritation around the injection site blah blah blah" and when it comes down to the serious details there's nothing. They'll say "myocarditis in x/100,000 injections" and then just blow right by it as if it's a rounding error. 

What's "myocarditis"? It's anything from a minor, short-term affliction to a life-altering event. It's like cancer. Some people got it 20 yrs ago and they're fine, some people found out 6 months ago that they had cancer and they're already dead. But all we hear about myocarditis in kids is that "they had it", as if it was a case of the sniffles. 

So take all of that up there, and compound it with the fact that I knew about kids getting myocarditis at a time when the MSM was still laughing it off as conspiracy nonsense. How am I ever supposed to get from the point where they were p1ssing in my face and telling me it was raining to a place where I believe their "stats"? 

And it's no small matter. Hundreds of thousands of kids were getting vaxed every day while they were still pretending that kids needed it and there were no side effects. 

And the media was Brutus the whole time. CBC and CTV are no less guilty than Fauci. So were FB, Twitter, etc. 

 

Side note: I think that RFK Jr is as much of a target as his dad and uncle ever were. Being the sworn enemy of big pharma, the Dems and all of their powerful connections is like going on the May-fly health care plan.

I fully agree on the frustration. All we're left with is estimates from people who don't have a huge budget to do them. Still, they're quite sobering. Here's a worldwide estimate of how many people died at least in part due to the Covid vaccines:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccines-17-million-deaths-covid-pandemic-excess-mortality/

As to the American share, I actually made a thread on that in another forum back in May, based on an article from a researcher that's done extensive research on the Covid vaccines. It can be seen here:

https://politicalhotwire.com/t/google-ai-just-estimated-that-as-many-as-1-1m-americans-may-have-been-killed-by-the-covid-vaccines-steve-kirsch.283510/

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

There you go with the capsed words again -.- There's no need to yell, you know? You were much more civilized in the "Are you a man or a woman" thread (I just changed my name from phoenyx75). Anyway, I think the following article is a good one when it comes to strong evidence that vaccines are harmful:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/hazlehurst/

I cap words so you don't MISS THEM. Like you already did here:

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

 

Quoting the introduction to the article below:

**

The Tipping Point of Justice for Vaccine-Injured Children

Countless vaccine-injured children who developed autism after receiving routine vaccines have been denied justice for decades.

Largely because the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) determined vaccines didn’t cause autism in three “test” cases. Those three cases determined the fate of 5,400 children in the NVICP’s Omnibus Autism Proceeding (OAP) — and those 5,400 children represent millions of vaccine-injured children. 

“The NVICP is one of the fundamental causes of the autism epidemic,” said CHD Senior Staff Attorney Rolf Hazlehurst. “Understanding why this is true and how the United States Department of Justice perpetrated fraud upon the courts, including the Supreme Court of the United States, is the key to ending the autism epidemic.” 

**

You've cited NO MEDICAL EXPERTS nor PEER REVIEWED published research.

Because they DON'T BACK your CLAIMS.

CHD Senior Staff Attorney Rolf Hazlehurst is NEITHER.

 

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Thank you, WestGarbageMan. I will file this under "trash" and delete it from my computer. 

How is it garbage, DUI?

Why don't you want to know how many children were harmed, and how badly?

Why are you afraid of a little knowledge?

"I'M ENTITLED TO WALLOW IN IGNORANCE AND EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD BE FORCED TO WALLOW IN IGNORANCE AS WELL! WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE GOV'T CONTROLLING THE MEDIA IF EVERYBODY'S JUST GONNA KEEP FINDING THE TRUTH ANYWAYS?" - DUI_Offender

[Scott75]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Thank you, WestGarbageMan. I will file this under "trash" and delete it from my computer. 

How is it garbage, DUI?

Why don't you want to know how many children were harmed, and how badly?

Why are you afraid of a little knowledge?

Very good points.

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

"I'M ENTITLED TO WALLOW IN IGNORANCE AND EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD BE FORCED TO WALLOW IN IGNORANCE AS WELL! WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE GOV'T CONTROLLING THE MEDIA IF EVERYBODY'S JUST GONNA KEEP FINDING THE TRUTH ANYWAYS?" - DUI_Offender

I think you went overboard here, but it's understandable- the problem with insults is that it can be -very- difficult to resist responding in the same way. And when that really gets going, it tends to ruin productive discussions, unfortunately :-/.

[Scott75]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

11 hours ago, Scott75 said:

There you go with the capsed words again -.- There's no need to yell, you know? You were much more civilized in the "Are you a man or a woman" thread (I just changed my name from phoenyx75). Anyway, I think the following article is a good one when it comes to strong evidence that vaccines are harmful:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/hazlehurst/

I cap words so you don't MISS THEM. Like you already did here:

There are better ways to highlight text. I know a lot of legal documents still use them, but it's the wrong way to go about it. A good article on the subject is here:

https://lu.is/2012/08/a-quick-note-on-conspicuous-text-also-known-as-all-caps/

As to "missing" words you wrote, I missed none of them. I saw all your words and then decided to respond in the way I did. Anyway, continuing...

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

11 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Quoting the introduction to the article below:

**

The Tipping Point of Justice for Vaccine-Injured Children

Countless vaccine-injured children who developed autism after receiving routine vaccines have been denied justice for decades.

Largely because the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) determined vaccines didn’t cause autism in three “test” cases. Those three cases determined the fate of 5,400 children in the NVICP’s Omnibus Autism Proceeding (OAP) — and those 5,400 children represent millions of vaccine-injured children. 

“The NVICP is one of the fundamental causes of the autism epidemic,” said CHD Senior Staff Attorney Rolf Hazlehurst. “Understanding why this is true and how the United States Department of Justice perpetrated fraud upon the courts, including the Supreme Court of the United States, is the key to ending the autism epidemic.” 

**

You've cited NO MEDICAL EXPERTS nor PEER REVIEWED published research.

Because they DON'T BACK your CLAIMS.

CHD Senior Staff Attorney Rolf Hazlehurst is NEITHER.

Lawyers bring in medical experts if needed. I -hope- you're aware that the article was talking about court cases? Furthermore, did you click on any of the links in the article I quoted? Hell, did you even -know- of the National Vaccine Compensation Program?

[robosmith]

51 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

There are better ways to highlight text. I know a lot of legal documents still use them, but it's the wrong way to go about it. A good article on the subject is here:

https://lu.is/2012/08/a-quick-note-on-conspicuous-text-also-known-as-all-caps/

As to "missing" words you wrote, I missed none of them. I saw all your words and then decided to respond in the way I did. Anyway, continuing...

You responded with a quote from a lawyer, NOT medical experts, so you missed that.

51 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

Lawyers bring in medical experts if needed. I -hope- you're aware that the article was talking about court cases? Furthermore, did you click on any of the links in the article I quoted? Hell, did you even -know- of the National Vaccine Compensation Program?

"the National Vaccine Compensation Program" is NOT RELEVANT to the findings of peer reviewed medical research which shows that vaccines do not cause increased rates of autism.

[Hodad]

13 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I have some suggestions as to how you could improve your posting style:

1- Be respectful of people who disagree with your own views. If this is simply too much for you to manage, at least reserve your insults for the end of your posts. That way, there's a much higher likelihood that the poster you're responding to may actually read the main body of your post.

2- Start with your arguments, not your conclusions. If nothing else, it has a higher likelihood of keeping those who may disagree with your conclusions around to hear your actual arguments.

You failed on both counts, so I decided to stop responding to what you had to say after the second sentence. If that was your -goal-, though, then congratulations on a job well done.

 

Flat earthers don't need coddling. They should be thoroughly mocked until they shut their ignorant mouths and open a goddamn book. 

[NAME REMOVED]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

How is it garbage, DUI?

Why don't you want to know how many children were harmed, and how badly?

Why are you afraid of a little knowledge?

"I'M ENTITLED TO WALLOW IN IGNORANCE AND EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD BE FORCED TO WALLOW IN IGNORANCE AS WELL! WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE GOV'T CONTROLLING THE MEDIA IF EVERYBODY'S JUST GONNA KEEP FINDING THE TRUTH ANYWAYS?" - DUI_Offender

I agree. That was uncalled for. I apologise, @WestCanMan

[Scott75]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

9 hours ago, Scott75 said:

There are better ways to highlight text. I know a lot of legal documents still use them, but it's the wrong way to go about it. A good article on the subject is here:

https://lu.is/2012/08/a-quick-note-on-conspicuous-text-also-known-as-all-caps/

As to "missing" words you wrote, I missed none of them. I saw all your words and then decided to respond in the way I did. Anyway, continuing...

You responded with a quote from a lawyer, NOT medical experts, so you missed that.

There's a difference between not responding the way you wanted me to and missing what you said. 

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

9 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Lawyers bring in medical experts if needed. I -hope- you're aware that the article was talking about court cases? Furthermore, did you click on any of the links in the article I quoted? Hell, did you even -know- of the National Vaccine Compensation Program?

"the National Vaccine Compensation Program" is NOT RELEVANT to the findings of peer reviewed medical research which shows that vaccines do not cause increased rates of autism.

The reason it's relevant is that it's concrete evidence that vaccines are causing harm sufficient enough to create a program for "dealing" with these harms. As to vaccines causing autism, I actually started a thread on whether or not vaccines can cause autism back in May of this year in another forum. It's here if you're interested:

https://politicalhotwire.com/t/can-vaccines-cause-autism.283594/

Anyway, in the very first post, I linked to a website by an anonymous founder who makes some very interesting points. He even uses a capsed word in the introductory paragraph to his site, so perhaps you'll like that part. I'll quote from the website in question:

**

The American Academy of Pediatrics FALSELY states that “Vaccines are not associated with autism.”

Following is a list of abstracts from 234 papers demonstrating the multiple associations between vaccines and autism.

Autism is a largely immune mediated condition, and the purpose of a vaccine is to change the behavior of the immune system. Vaccines and their ingredients can cause the underlying medical conditions that are commonly found in children who have been given an autism diagnosis. These conditions include immune system impairment, autoimmune conditions, neuroinflammation, gastrointestinal damage, neurological regression, mitochondrial dysfunction, oxidative stress, glial cell activation, interleukin-6 secretion dysregulation, damage to the blood–brain barrier, seizures, dendritic cell dysfunction, mercury poisoning, aluminum toxicity, gene activation and alteration, glutathione depletion, impaired methylation, impaired thioredoxin regulation, impairment of the opioid system, cellular apoptosis, endocrine dysfunction, and other disorders.

**

Source:

https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/

 

Now, I certainly don't claim to have read all the papers on his site- I haven't even counted them to make sure there are 234 of them. But I have read a few. The author of the site puts out 3 that they believe are representative of the body of research. They can be seen here:

https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/category/3-studies/

[Scott75]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

20 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I have some suggestions as to how you could improve your posting style:

1- Be respectful of people who disagree with your own views. If this is simply too much for you to manage, at least reserve your insults for the end of your posts. That way, there's a much higher likelihood that the poster you're responding to may actually read the main body of your post.

2- Start with your arguments, not your conclusions. If nothing else, it has a higher likelihood of keeping those who may disagree with your conclusions around to hear your actual arguments.

You failed on both counts, so I decided to stop responding to what you had to say after the second sentence. If that was your -goal-, though, then congratulations on a job well done.

Flat earthers don't need coddling.

Agreed. I don't believe anyone does, at least if we can agree on the definition of coddling. I found this one:

"to treat with extreme or excessive care or kindness"

Source:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coddle

What I -do- believe is that people one disagrees with in a debate should be treated with respect. I believe the goal of debates should be to try to see why others disagree with one's own point of view and work towards a point where both sides are in agreement, not try to insult them to the point that they lose interest in what you have to say.

[CouchPotato]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

I cap words so you don't MISS THEM. Like you already did here:

You should switch to using all lower case letters to fight capitalism.

[NAME REMOVED]

2 hours ago, Scott75 said:

There's a difference between not responding the way you wanted me to and missing what you said. 

The reason it's relevant is that it's concrete evidence that vaccines are causing harm sufficient enough to create a program for "dealing" with these harms. As to vaccines causing autism, I actually started a thread on whether or not vaccines can cause autism back in May of this year in another forum. It's here if you're interested:

https://politicalhotwire.com/t/can-vaccines-cause-autism.283594/

Anyway, in the very first post, I linked to a website by an anonymous founder who makes some very interesting points. He even uses a capsed word in the introductory paragraph to his site, so perhaps you'll like that part. I'll quote from the website in question:

**

The American Academy of Pediatrics FALSELY states that “Vaccines are not associated with autism.”

Following is a list of abstracts from 234 papers demonstrating the multiple associations between vaccines and autism.

Autism is a largely immune mediated condition, and the purpose of a vaccine is to change the behavior of the immune system. Vaccines and their ingredients can cause the underlying medical conditions that are commonly found in children who have been given an autism diagnosis. These conditions include immune system impairment, autoimmune conditions, neuroinflammation, gastrointestinal damage, neurological regression, mitochondrial dysfunction, oxidative stress, glial cell activation, interleukin-6 secretion dysregulation, damage to the blood–brain barrier, seizures, dendritic cell dysfunction, mercury poisoning, aluminum toxicity, gene activation and alteration, glutathione depletion, impaired methylation, impaired thioredoxin regulation, impairment of the opioid system, cellular apoptosis, endocrine dysfunction, and other disorders.

**

Source:

https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/

 

Now, I certainly don't claim to have read all the papers on his site- I haven't even counted them to make sure there are 234 of them. But I have read a few. The author of the site puts out 3 that they believe are representative of the body of research. They can be seen here:

https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/category/3-studies/

In 2005, an investigative reporter alerted The Lancet's editors that Wakefield's study had been flawed by severe research misconduct, conflict of interests, and probably falsehood. After investigating the matter, The Lancet retracted the article, and the British Medical Association took disciplinary actions against Wakefield.

Since the Wakefield report, any direct connection between autism and the MMR vaccine has been discredited by dozens of studies investigating the epidemiology of autism and the biological effects of MMR and the mumps virus.^7,8 Decreases in the rate of exposure to MMR were not shown to correlate with similar decreases in the incidence of autism. On the contrary, although more and more parents were opting out of MMR vaccination, the rates of autism had been rising.

Mumps viruses or their respective biological fingerprints were not consistently found in biological fluids or tissue taken from autistic children at higher rates than nonautistic children (for a comprehensive review rejecting the mumps virus-autism link, see Stratton et al⁹ and Modabbernia et al¹⁰). However, scientific evidence notwithstanding, even if the mumps virus is not responsible for autism, surely, it was thought, another MMR component must be responsible.

source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5789217/

 

The theory that vaccines cause Autism, was disproven 20 years ago. 

Edited December 21, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Scott75]

44 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

2 hours ago, Scott75 said:

There's a difference between not responding the way you wanted me to and missing what you said. 

The reason it's relevant is that it's concrete evidence that vaccines are causing harm sufficient enough to create a program for "dealing" with these harms. As to vaccines causing autism, I actually started a thread on whether or not vaccines can cause autism back in May of this year in another forum. It's here if you're interested:

https://politicalhotwire.com/t/can-vaccines-cause-autism.283594/

Anyway, in the very first post, I linked to a website by an anonymous founder who makes some very interesting points. He even uses a capsed word in the introductory paragraph to his site, so perhaps you'll like that part. I'll quote from the website in question:

**

The American Academy of Pediatrics FALSELY states that “Vaccines are not associated with autism.”

Following is a list of abstracts from 234 papers demonstrating the multiple associations between vaccines and autism.

Autism is a largely immune mediated condition, and the purpose of a vaccine is to change the behavior of the immune system. Vaccines and their ingredients can cause the underlying medical conditions that are commonly found in children who have been given an autism diagnosis. These conditions include immune system impairment, autoimmune conditions, neuroinflammation, gastrointestinal damage, neurological regression, mitochondrial dysfunction, oxidative stress, glial cell activation, interleukin-6 secretion dysregulation, damage to the blood–brain barrier, seizures, dendritic cell dysfunction, mercury poisoning, aluminum toxicity, gene activation and alteration, glutathione depletion, impaired methylation, impaired thioredoxin regulation, impairment of the opioid system, cellular apoptosis, endocrine dysfunction, and other disorders.

**

Source:

https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/

 

Now, I certainly don't claim to have read all the papers on his site- I haven't even counted them to make sure there are 234 of them. But I have read a few. The author of the site puts out 3 that they believe are representative of the body of research. They can be seen here:

https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/category/3-studies/

In 2005, an investigative reporter alerted The Lancet's editors that Wakefield's study had been flawed by severe research misconduct, conflict of interests, and probably falsehood. After investigating the matter, The Lancet retracted the article, and the British Medical Association took disciplinary actions against Wakefield.

[snip]

source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5789217/

 

The theory that vaccines cause Autism, was disproven 20 years ago. 

No, though that is certainly what the government and corporate owned media would have you believe. The truth is another matter entirely. A good article on the subject:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/betrayal-of-public-trust-institutional-corruption-vaccine-safety-ratings-vaccine-science-falsified-intro/

Quoting from it:

**

Sharav’s Introduction: I have undertaken this review of the case against Dr. Andrew Wakefield because the issues involved are far more consequential than the vilification of one doctor. The issues, as I see them, involve (a) collusion of public health officials to deceive the public by concealing scientific evidence that confirms empirical evidence of serious harm linked to vaccines – in particular polyvalent vaccines; (b) the “willful blindness” by the medical community as it uncritically fell in line with a government dictated vaccination policy driven by corporate business interests.

Public health officials and the medical profession have abrogated their professional, public, and human responsibility, by failing to honestly examine the iatrogenic harm caused by expansive, indiscriminate, and increasingly aggressive vaccination policies. On a human level, the documented evidence shows a callous disregard for the plight of thousands of children who suffer irreversible harm, as if they were unavoidable “collateral damage”.

 

All of the documented evidence and testimonies submitted to the General Medical Council, upon which GMC issued its guilty verdicts against Dr. Wakefield and his two co-defendants in 2010, were subsequently forensically assessed by the UK High Court in March 2012, in the appeal of Professor John Walker-Smith, the senior clinician and senior author of the Lancet case series. The High Court determined that the verdicts of professional misconduct and ethics violations were unsupported by the evidence.

Indeed, the adjudicated evidence refutes the case against Dr. Wakefield; the documents and testimonies demonstrate that there is no evidence whatsoever, to support the charges of professional misconduct, much less the accusation of fraud. The accusation of fraud was hurled by the Editor-in-Chief of the BMJ, a medical journal whose corporate ownership is intertwined with the vaccine manufacturing Behemoths, Merck – with whom BMJ signed a partnership agreement in 2008 – and GlaxoSmithKline which provides additional financial support to BMJ. Among their numerous vaccine products, Merck and GSK manufacture the MMR vaccine.

My commentary is buttressed with details from the High Court decision (2012); transcripts of testimony before the General Medical Council (2007- 2010); documents and testimony that have been judicially adjudicated; the sworn deposition of the Deputy Editor of the BMJ with internal BMJ emails(2012); internal correspondence by CDC officials and CDC-commissioned scientists (2000-2009, some uncovered in 2011; new documents obtained in July 2017); the suppressed finding of CDC’s first large-scale epidemiological study (1999) and a transcript of the closed door meeting of the Epidemic Intelligence Service at Simpsonwood (2000); a transcript of the closed meeting of the US Institute of Medicine Committee on Immunization Safety Review (2001); the U.S. Grand Jury criminal indictment of Dr. Poul Thorsen (2011); transcripts of the UK Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (1988); a confidential report Re: Infanrix hexa submitted by GlaxoSmithKline to the European Medicines Agency (2012) documenting sudden infant deaths; Cochrane Collaboration MMR reviews (2003, 2005, 2012); HHS Inspector General investigation report – CDC advisory panel corruption (2009); CDC scientists letter of complaint about “rogue interests” “questionable and unethical practices” (2016).

**

Edited December 21, 2024 by Scott75

[NAME REMOVED]

14 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

No, though that is certainly what the government and corporate owned media would have you believe. The truth is another matter entirely. A good article on the subject:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/betrayal-of-public-trust-institutional-corruption-vaccine-safety-ratings-vaccine-science-falsified-intro/

Quoting from it:

**

Sharav’s Introduction: I have undertaken this review of the case against Dr. Andrew Wakefield because the issues involved are far more consequential than the vilification of one doctor. The issues, as I see them, involve (a) collusion of public health officials to deceive the public by concealing scientific evidence that confirms empirical evidence of serious harm linked to vaccines – in particular polyvalent vaccines; (b) the “willful blindness” by the medical community as it uncritically fell in line with a government dictated vaccination policy driven by corporate business interests.

Public health officials and the medical profession have abrogated their professional, public, and human responsibility, by failing to honestly examine the iatrogenic harm caused by expansive, indiscriminate, and increasingly aggressive vaccination policies. On a human level, the documented evidence shows a callous disregard for the plight of thousands of children who suffer irreversible harm, as if they were unavoidable “collateral damage”.

 

All of the documented evidence and testimonies submitted to the General Medical Council, upon which GMC issued its guilty verdicts against Dr. Wakefield and his two co-defendants in 2010, were subsequently forensically assessed by the UK High Court in March 2012, in the appeal of Professor John Walker-Smith, the senior clinician and senior author of the Lancet case series. The High Court determined that the verdicts of professional misconduct and ethics violations were unsupported by the evidence.

Indeed, the adjudicated evidence refutes the case against Dr. Wakefield; the documents and testimonies demonstrate that there is no evidence whatsoever, to support the charges of professional misconduct, much less the accusation of fraud. The accusation of fraud was hurled by the Editor-in-Chief of the BMJ, a medical journal whose corporate ownership is intertwined with the vaccine manufacturing Behemoths, Merck – with whom BMJ signed a partnership agreement in 2008 – and GlaxoSmithKline which provides additional financial support to BMJ. Among their numerous vaccine products, Merck and GSK manufacture the MMR vaccine.

My commentary is buttressed with details from the High Court decision (2012); transcripts of testimony before the General Medical Council (2007- 2010); documents and testimony that have been judicially adjudicated; the sworn deposition of the Deputy Editor of the BMJ with internal BMJ emails(2012); internal correspondence by CDC officials and CDC-commissioned scientists (2000-2009, some uncovered in 2011; new documents obtained in July 2017); the suppressed finding of CDC’s first large-scale epidemiological study (1999) and a transcript of the closed door meeting of the Epidemic Intelligence Service at Simpsonwood (2000); a transcript of the closed meeting of the US Institute of Medicine Committee on Immunization Safety Review (2001); the U.S. Grand Jury criminal indictment of Dr. Poul Thorsen (2011); transcripts of the UK Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (1988); a confidential report Re: Infanrix hexa submitted by GlaxoSmithKline to the European Medicines Agency (2012) documenting sudden infant deaths; Cochrane Collaboration MMR reviews (2003, 2005, 2012); HHS Inspector General investigation report – CDC advisory panel corruption (2009); CDC scientists letter of complaint about “rogue interests” “questionable and unethical practices” (2016).

**

You may want to cite an impartial news outlet. The CHD has an agenda that is totally bias, and is pushing a debunked 1998 study.  Then again, the founder of the organisation is an ex-heroin addict, that believes worms are eating his brain.

Edited December 21, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Scott75]

43 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

53 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

No, though that is certainly what the government and corporate owned media would have you believe. The truth is another matter entirely. A good article on the subject:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/betrayal-of-public-trust-institutional-corruption-vaccine-safety-ratings-vaccine-science-falsified-intro/

Quoting from it:

**

Sharav’s Introduction: I have undertaken this review of the case against Dr. Andrew Wakefield because the issues involved are far more consequential than the vilification of one doctor. The issues, as I see them, involve (a) collusion of public health officials to deceive the public by concealing scientific evidence that confirms empirical evidence of serious harm linked to vaccines – in particular polyvalent vaccines; (b) the “willful blindness” by the medical community as it uncritically fell in line with a government dictated vaccination policy driven by corporate business interests.

Public health officials and the medical profession have abrogated their professional, public, and human responsibility, by failing to honestly examine the iatrogenic harm caused by expansive, indiscriminate, and increasingly aggressive vaccination policies. On a human level, the documented evidence shows a callous disregard for the plight of thousands of children who suffer irreversible harm, as if they were unavoidable “collateral damage”.

 

All of the documented evidence and testimonies submitted to the General Medical Council, upon which GMC issued its guilty verdicts against Dr. Wakefield and his two co-defendants in 2010, were subsequently forensically assessed by the UK High Court in March 2012, in the appeal of Professor John Walker-Smith, the senior clinician and senior author of the Lancet case series. The High Court determined that the verdicts of professional misconduct and ethics violations were unsupported by the evidence.

Indeed, the adjudicated evidence refutes the case against Dr. Wakefield; the documents and testimonies demonstrate that there is no evidence whatsoever, to support the charges of professional misconduct, much less the accusation of fraud. The accusation of fraud was hurled by the Editor-in-Chief of the BMJ, a medical journal whose corporate ownership is intertwined with the vaccine manufacturing Behemoths, Merck – with whom BMJ signed a partnership agreement in 2008 – and GlaxoSmithKline which provides additional financial support to BMJ. Among their numerous vaccine products, Merck and GSK manufacture the MMR vaccine.

My commentary is buttressed with details from the High Court decision (2012); transcripts of testimony before the General Medical Council (2007- 2010); documents and testimony that have been judicially adjudicated; the sworn deposition of the Deputy Editor of the BMJ with internal BMJ emails(2012); internal correspondence by CDC officials and CDC-commissioned scientists (2000-2009, some uncovered in 2011; new documents obtained in July 2017); the suppressed finding of CDC’s first large-scale epidemiological study (1999) and a transcript of the closed door meeting of the Epidemic Intelligence Service at Simpsonwood (2000); a transcript of the closed meeting of the US Institute of Medicine Committee on Immunization Safety Review (2001); the U.S. Grand Jury criminal indictment of Dr. Poul Thorsen (2011); transcripts of the UK Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (1988); a confidential report Re: Infanrix hexa submitted by GlaxoSmithKline to the European Medicines Agency (2012) documenting sudden infant deaths; Cochrane Collaboration MMR reviews (2003, 2005, 2012); HHS Inspector General investigation report – CDC advisory panel corruption (2009); CDC scientists letter of complaint about “rogue interests” “questionable and unethical practices” (2016).

**

You may want to cite an impartial news outlet. The CHD has an agenda that is totally bias, and is pushing a debunked 1998 study.

I just presented a lot of evidence that the study in question was not debunked, but smeared. This in turn would mean that, far from CHD being biased, it's an oasis of objective news on the subject of vaccines in a desert of lies.

43 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Then again, the founder of the organisation is an ex-heroin addict, that believes worms are eating his brain.

No idea where you got that rumour from. According to Wikipedia, RFK Jr. has claimed that he had been told by a doctor that he -had- a worm in his brain, but that it died. Quoting from Wikipedia's entry:

**

Kennedy began experiencing severe short- and long-term memory loss and mental fog in 2010. In a 2012 divorce court deposition, he attributed neurological issues to "a worm that got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then died", in addition to mercury poisoning from eating large quantities of tuna.^[383][387]

**

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.

This wasn't some off hand remark, but part of a deposition he gave:

**

Several doctors noticed a dark spot on the younger Mr. Kennedy’s brain scans and concluded that he had a tumor, he said in a 2012 deposition reviewed by The New York Times. Mr. Kennedy was immediately scheduled for a procedure at Duke University Medical Center by the same surgeon who had operated on his uncle, he said.

While packing for the trip, he said, he received a call from a doctor at New York-Presbyterian Hospital who had a different opinion: Mr. Kennedy, he believed, had a dead parasite in his head.

The doctor believed that the abnormality seen on his scans “was caused by a worm that got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then died,” Mr. Kennedy said in the deposition.

**

Source:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/us/rfk-jr-brain-health-memory-loss.html

Edited December 21, 2024 by Scott75

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Very good points.

I think you went overboard here, but it's understandable- the problem with insults is that it can be -very- difficult to resist responding in the same way. And when that really gets going, it tends to ruin productive discussions, unfortunately :-/.

If you think that you can have a fruitful discussion with DUI or any of these other cultists then you're out of your mind.

Some of these guys were still denying that even one multi-vaxed person had ever died of covid at the end of 2021. 

Eyeball even went on the Health Canada website, found their own stats on how many multi-vaxed people died of covid, and then kept denying that multi-vaxed people die of covid. Until CBC says "people with multiple shots of the jab can die of covid", it's not real for him, but CBC doesn't talk about multi-vaxed deaths, because it's contrary to their narrative.

In 2020 15,000 Canadians died of covid. 

In 2021 14,000 Canadians died of covid. 

In 2022 16,000 multi-vaxed Canadians died of covid. 19,000 Canadians total. Hospitalizations were more than triple than they were back when "the hospitals were being overwhelmed". But CBC and CTV didn't talk about any of that. They barely talked about the pandemic at all in 2022. 

I was updating those cultists constantly, telling them that covid deaths weren't down at all in 2022. They didn't believe a word of it: they thought that I was a crazy conspiracy theorist. Covid deaths in the summer of 2022 were several times what they were in previous summers and I showed them Health Canada's own charts. Nothing.

I bet that if you ask eyeball right now he thinks that covid deaths were down to almost nothing in 2022. 

These people are incapable of learning anything that they don't see on CBC. They're f'ing koalas. It's eucalyptus or death for these turds.